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My son (in Kindergarten) recently told me after he came home from school that he (and classmates) had eye exams and hearing test that day.. no forms were ever sent home about this to sign, and no notification, before, or after the testing (including test results)... this seems weird to me that they would do this without notifying parents or getting their permission.

 

 They DID send home papers where parents could opt out of the dental exam, and physical checkup if you want to take your child to your own dr or dentist, that was a few months ago I recall.  But nothing about this recent eye/hearing tests and it seemed weird to hear about it after the fact, and from him. So if he hadn't told me, I would have never even known he had been tested! Anyone else aware of this? Does this happen every single year or just in K?  Shouldn't parents be notified this is going to take place?


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Our schools do this every year and a note comes home if your child gets a concerning result. I remember doing the same tests in grade school as a kid. Since they are completely non-invasive I never even thought twice about it.
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I know screenings are mentioned in our registration paperwork. You will likely get a report soon. I'm 46 and remember school screenings when I was a kid. And my DD's vision problem was caught during a Pre-K photo eye screen. I had NO idea that she wasn't seeing well close up.
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I don't see why parents should be notified. As TCMoulton says, they're completely non-invasive, and as Polliwog points out, potential problems can be picked up and headed off early. I think it makes no sense to accept that children are being routinely evaluated for all the skills that depend on good vision and good hearing (reading skills, ability to follow directions, etc.) while not accepting that they're routinely evaluated for the sensory acuity they need to learn those skills.

 

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I used to be an education specialist for a blended Head Start, EC, private pay program for preschoolers. Both of my kids attended. Soooo many children were diagnosed with vision problems, by eye doctors, after the routine screenings. In the past, many vision problems weren't' detected until about third grade. My DD passed every eye chart test at the doctor's office, but pretty big farsightedness and a developing lazy eye with the vision screen at school.
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Ours does it too.

I'm fairly sure it was mentioned in the registration papers. Anyhow, it's not a problem for me. To me, it's just like a reading test.

 

The TB test on the other hand, I am VERY SURE that there was a consent form for that.

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Yeah, my concern wasn't so much about the actual testing, I know its non invasive, but, I am somewhat offended that a notification was not even sent home letting us know it would be done, or, after the fact, to let us know that it HAD been done (and what the results were). 

 

When he was in preschool I remember a consent form being sent home about the eye exam, I signed it and he had the eye exam in preschool. Then, after the fact, we got the results of that, on paper, sent home so we know if they passed or not..

 

Totally nothing here, before, or after.. I wrote a note to teacher letting her know he had told me about the exam, to make sure I hadn't missed a notice.. and there was no notice sent home.  I also inquired of the results, and she checked with the nurse for me, and he passed.  So if he  hadn't of told me, and I hadn't of asked, I would not have even know he had the testing or passed. 

 

With all of the gazillion papers sent home each day one should have been about that, what if someone would have had a problem with it for some reason and wanted to prep their child for that in some way. Mine was fine, I would have signed the papers for those anyway, but just somewhat peeved nobody was notified that it was done, and that they passed. Its good to know, I think.  I may have went out of my way to have a hearing test done at some point since that hadn't been done since birth.

 

His eyes and hearing are fine, he passed in preschool and again in K.. no worries there, I just wondered if it was just our school that hadn't let parents know the testing would be done, or if other schools are at least sending a paper home, and if so, are they asking for consent signature or not.. just wondered if this was standard everywhere, or others are getting notice, and then results.


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Ours does it too.

I'm fairly sure it was mentioned in the registration papers. Anyhow, it's not a problem for me. To me, it's just like a reading test.

 

The TB test on the other hand, I am VERY SURE that there was a consent form for that.

Wait,  TB  ?  What is this? Something else schools are doing? in which grade? (mine is in K)

 

They did send home consent papers about the dental exam, and the physical.  I don't recall others for any other testing.


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Mine was fine, I would have signed the papers for those anyway, but just somewhat peeved nobody was notified that it was done

 

But if your kid is in school, he's being tested all the time. Would you expect notifications to come home for signatures every time he had a numeracy or reading-readiness assessment? I see hearing and vision screening in KG as being totally analogous to all the other evaluations that take place in school.

 

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Wait,  TB  ?  What is this? Something else schools are doing? in which grade? (mine is in K)

 

It could be location specific. Our state still has high incidences of  tuberculosis so they do it in K and for every other kid new to the district

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But if your kid is in school, he's being tested all the time. Would you expect notifications to come home for signatures every time he had a numeracy or reading-readiness assessment? I see hearing and vision screening in KG as being totally analogous to all the other evaluations that take place in school.

 

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See the way I think, is that vision & hearing testing is not "educational" but "medical" and so I am thinking when I send my kid to school they are there to be "learning" and not having medical procedures done (however non-invasive those are) unless I was notified and have approved it. I totally get that hearing/vision are crucial to learning, so having that be state mandated, is not a problem.. I agree with it.. I just don't understand why only the dental/physical papers got sent home (for signing, or not- you can take kid to own dr if desired) but not the eye&ears.  Somewhat confused, and a bit peeved. I'd like to know what kind of medical testing is planned for my kid while they are in school (and when that is scheduled for.. and the results of that) even if its not considered to be "invasive." I just wasn't sure if this happened everywhere or if others in other schools (whether same state or different) also did not get notified.

 

I just had an eye exam myself.. by an eye doctor... I didn't go to a school to get it done, I was seen by an eye dr at a vision center.  I consider vision testing to fit in more with "medical"  than "educational"  thus, I'd have liked to been notified and asked permission for it since it was done in school, by the school (or whomever, I really don't know who did it now).  Maybe I think differently than most, maybe I'm in the minority here.. to me, the eyes and ears are just as important medically, as the teeth and the rest of the body.   Oh well, it wasn't a huge deal to be honest, just more of a pet peeve type of thing.. If he hadn't bothered to tell me about it, I am quite sure I would have never known that he had been tested, or that he passed.   At least in his preschool, we got prior notification it was going to take place, and then afterwards, we got the results. They only did vision there, no hearing.


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It could be location specific. Our state still has high incidences of  tuberculosis so they do it in K and for every other kid new to the district

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What state are you in?  And what is involved in the TB test?  I'm unfamiliar with that one, I did hear of it before but not quite sure what the testing involves. I'm in PA (anyone know if the TB test given in my state?)


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What state are you in?  And what is involved in the TB test?  I'm unfamiliar with that one, I did hear of it before but not quite sure what the testing involves. I'm in PA (anyone know if the TB test given in my state?)

I'm not in PA. I don't know what is involved as far as TB testing goes in PA. Do you have a school handbook? Have you read it?

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Eye exams are routinly given in school and don't require consent. Your kid isn't going to get a TB test with out consent, it requires an injection.

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As far as results,

I'm not in PA. I don't know what is involved as far as TB testing goes in PA. Do you have a school handbook? Have you read it?

 I think we did get one at spring registration, its about an inch thick, and I skimmed it at the time. I meant to read it all over the summer before K, but never did. IT was a LOT to read.. I have it here somewhere... oh well :)  I'll find it sometime and read it, for sure :) Maybe it is in there..


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Our school does health screening which includes vision and then a separate hearing screening. I know it is helpful to some parents, they may not have known about some of their kids' issues beforehand. Sometimes we get a message about the screenings we know it is happening, just like we do about other tests. But we didn't this year and it doesn't bother me. My DD wears glasses and goes to the eye doctor anyway so the vision test is fairly useless for us.
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See the way I think, is that vision & hearing testing is not "educational" but "medical" 

 

And the way I think, I'm grateful if the school is looking at things holistically and sees, for example, that a kid who needs to be disciplined for misbehaving during math is hungry, or frustrated by his fine-motor delays, or upset because of a bullying incident at recess. None of which, not even the discipline, is strictly educational any more than a hearing test. Understanding the whole picture and how it contributes to children's learning is what good schools do, imo. Just my perspective, though.

 

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I'm with Miranda on this one in that hearing and vision would fall in the category of educational testing in my mind. And, because it's totally non-invasive, it doesn't seem like something that schools need to communicate home about. 

 

I also agree with the PPs who suggest looking through all the paperwork before putting too much energy into being upset about not being notified. It's possible that it's listed on the district website, calendar, or, yea, buried in that massive booklet that no one reads. 

 

My experience with schools is that they are in a tough spot in terms of communication. Parents get overloaded with the massive amount of stuff to keep track of and schools have to make some tough calls about how and what to communicate to parents so that everyone feels informed. I'd prefer a "less is more" approach myself. 

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See the way I think, is that vision & hearing testing is not "educational" but "medical" and so I am thinking when I send my kid to school they are there to be "learning" and not having medical procedures done (however non-invasive those are) unless I was notified and have approved it. I totally get that hearing/vision are crucial to learning, so having that be state mandated, is not a problem.. I agree with it.. I just don't understand why only the dental/physical papers got sent home (for signing, or not- you can take kid to own dr if desired) but not the eye&ears.  Somewhat confused, and a bit peeved. I'd like to know what kind of medical testing is planned for my kid while they are in school (and when that is scheduled for.. and the results of that) even if its not considered to be "invasive." I just wasn't sure if this happened everywhere or if others in other schools (whether same state or different) also did not get notified.

 

I just had an eye exam myself.. by an eye doctor... I didn't go to a school to get it done, I was seen by an eye dr at a vision center.  I consider vision testing to fit in more with "medical"  than "educational"  thus, I'd have liked to been notified and asked permission for it since it was done in school, by the school (or whomever, I really don't know who did it now).  Maybe I think differently than most, maybe I'm in the minority here.. to me, the eyes and ears are just as important medically, as the teeth and the rest of the body.   Oh well, it wasn't a huge deal to be honest, just more of a pet peeve type of thing.. If he hadn't bothered to tell me about it, I am quite sure I would have never known that he had been tested, or that he passed.   At least in his preschool, we got prior notification it was going to take place, and then afterwards, we got the results. They only did vision there, no hearing.

 

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Our schools have always done eye, hearing, and speech screenings for everybody and just sent notes home if there is a problem. It's just a quick screener to identify the need for a more in depth referral but they are helpful. My brother's hearing loss was found this way when he was little despite frequent checkups from pediatricians so I am all for having them.
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I believe our public school system does it as a community service. It is not an invasive procedure, but does give parents a heads up if there is a problem. Our ped does not do routine eye exams or hearing exams, believe it or not, so I really do think it is helpful. Many kids may not go to the doctor every year nor get eye exams every year. I can understand wanting to be notified but I really think it is a good thing, especially in our school which does not have a school nurse.
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I'm grateful that the school I attended back in 1972 did these because it is how it was discovered that I needed glasses (which had a massive impact on my life)!

 

 

If you really have a big problem with your child looking at a piece of paper and saying that they see, or listening to something and letting someone know what they hear, then school isn't the best place for them. Kids do it all day long.

 

 

Although these screenings are pointless for lots of kids, they do help out some kids a great deal, and I was one of those kids!

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From what I heard, the tests are mandated by the states and start at age 4. We got screening forms sent home from daycare, but since we had to pay for that, I had the doctor fax in the results from his well check. I'm guessing the screenings are no cost in the public school, but in your case they should have sent some sort of notification that testing is on such and such day and parents will get results in X amount of weeks.

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From what I heard, the tests are mandated by the states and start at age 4. We got screening forms sent home from daycare, but since we had to pay for that, I had the doctor fax in the results from his well check. I'm guessing the screenings are no cost in the public school, but in your case they should have sent some sort of notification that testing is on such and such day and parents will get results in X amount of weeks.

 

Yep, this. This was the reason for my original post :)  Lot of misunderstanding with some of the comments. Glad a couple people got it. No notifications sent home, either prior to testing, or, after testing. Just think that is odd.  I understand its non-invasive... totally get that. Still, it falls under medical testing, in my opinion.

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I just re-read our student handbook and it's there. It's mandated by the state for schools to do so. An opt-out form is also provided in the handbook.

 

Did you end up revisiting your handbook?

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Well, I'll swim against the tide and disagree with the majority in this thread. hide.gif

Even though these tests are non-invasive and bear no risk, and even though I have no problem consenting, I don't find it right that a school knows my child's health status and I don't. It seems strange that school officials would want this in their own records and yet keep parents in the dark about it.

If DD gets her eyes tested, I want to know that she had the test AND what the results were. My child's health--good or bad--is very much my business.

Also, if she needs glasses years from now, I'd like an idea of when the problem began. Finally, I'd like to know whether or NOT the school is doing these screenings so that I know if I should ask for them instead at her doctor appointments. I have to request them for my homeschooled child.

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Here, parents are notified if anything shows up in the screening, and they are given information about where they can access services for free or reduced rates if needed.

It absolutely isn't the case that anything is kept from parents .

However , saying "your child looked at letters today and could see them just fine" is redundant. You can assume your child does that every single day they go to school.
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I can't believe no one gets the constant e-mails asking for parent volunteers to help with the hearing and vision screenings ;-). That's how I know it's that time of year again and to expect the letter in the mail in about a month that my kid has failed his hearing screen. Again.

We only find out the results if there are issues. We never get a note saying congrats your kid has 20/10 vision! Just sorry, you should call the district audiologist for a more comprehensive screening....
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Sorry I keep referring to the school handbook but in ours, it also states that we don't get notified if the screening shows up normal.

I know that the OP's issue is that she wasn't informed but she has also stated that she just skimmed the stack of papers given to her.

If it is indeed in the stack of papers, then this whole discussion is moot, no?
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The OP said that she was sent home with "a gazillion papers," but there was nothing about her "just skimming them." On the contrary, it sounds like she read through them pretty carefully. She did skim through the school handbook, but paperwork like that shouldn't be buried in hundreds of pages where parents have to mine for it.

A doctor would tell me s/he tested my child and everything turned out A-OK. Schools need to be at least this transparent.

OP, testing was done right in front of DH at registration, so he knew what was being done and learned on the spot that her eyes and hearing were fine.

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