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#31 of 46 Old 07-31-2009, 03:29 PM
 
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b"H, it went well. Except that I absolutelycollapsed as soon as it was over and made DH take care of getting e/o to bed, but that's fair, right? I mean, he doesn't have to do ANY of the caring for this new little one, right?

Just had my ultrasound, which puts my due date around 3/1/10, so I really oculd end up here. I figured it was around then based on when I was positive I ovulated, but I got a BFN as late as July 1st, and didnt' get a BFP until the 8th, so I tricked myself into thinking that I might have ovulated twice and really be due later in the month.
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glad to hear you made it through.

Up next...Yom Kippur (oh yeah, and all that stuff UNTIL YK!!! )

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Question for you guys.

Eating one's placenta (dehydrating and encapslating it)......would not be kosher correct? I have always thought this because of the blood issue. I realize there are probably different beliefs on this subject but I am very curios to hear your thoughts.

Thank you in advance.
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Hadassah,

Glad to see this thread up and running again. I was just thinking about it.

Okay, so this is a GREAT BIG AYLR (ask your local rabbi) question, because it will depend on your specific situation.

On the surface, it seems like it would be a simple issue...eating something from a non kosher animal (human) is forbidden...except in the case of honey. There might be another thing that I am missing here. But breastmilk, obviously, is THE PREFERRED food in Judaism in MOST cases, and this is also from a "non kosher animal" (even though most religious authorities hold that we are not "animals") so immediately you would see that this is more complex and not so simple.

I have heard of several rulings that have permitted women to eat their own placentas as an issue of pikuat nefesh (saving a life), because of it's proven properties to combat post-pardum depression. Of course, your local rabbi would need to be educated about this usage, so you would need to either find an expert in the field or find one who is willing to read some of the reseach that you and your practitioners complile for him on the subject. In this case, it is preserving the life/health of the mother and by extention the baby as well so it has been permitted.

I've heard of it being not permitted because it is like eating an animal while it is still alive, which is forbidden.

I've heard of the blood issue being averted because A. it's not from a kosher animal anyways, so the rules are different and B. you can prepare it like liver (i.e. chicken liver) in a kosher way which would get rid of the blood issue.

I've heard of it being allowed so long as there is not a "taste" (like swallowing pills, if it's not a "food" then it isn't considered a food and rather a trufah (remedy/medicine) and so if you just swallow it you can take it. This ruling has been used for other things, like animal thyroid from non kosher animals, as well.)

So, it would depend on your particular situation and your particular reason for eating it and your own personal rabbi would need to make the ruling.

Also interesting to note is that the Jewish custom for organs or other human body parts is to bury them (that is the halacha). Some rabbis have ruled that this applies to the placenta as well (though many have not gone so far to make this ruling) but that is something else to think about, as well. Aparently there was a custom in some Jewish communities of burying the placenta and planting a tree above it...that tree would grow and become part of the chuppah (wedding canopy...the poles that hold it, for example) for the son or daughter for whom the tree was planted. A nice custom, dontcha think?

I, personally, bury mine. I have burried each placenta in the yard where we were living at the time (actually my dh did the burrying), except in the case of my miscarriage, where everything was too small to sort out and it all, basically, went down the toilet.

I intend to bury the forthcoming placenta in our yard here, as well. Perhaps under an already planted tree (we had two planted when we moved in). It makes me feel like we are tied to each place we lived in with the kids...even though we are STILL renting and have had to move (and will again).

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Such facinating information on the placenta! thank you so much for sharing. I have never eaten mine but I find it so interesting that it is very helpful to people that do eat theirs. I grew up on a farm and our goats and sheep always ate theirs as soon as they gave birth. I have always wanted to plant mine and plant a tree over it, I have never done this because I have wanted to do it when we know we are staying put for a long while. so I have 3, I think, in my freezer, which just plain feel weird to me. hmmm......

So if one plants their placenta and plants a fruit tree would the fruit be forbidden since the tree got nutrients from the placenta?

I would love to poke my local Rabbi's brain about this.
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no the fruit would not be forbidden by any ruling that I am aware of. Please DO pick your local rabbi's brain about it. I recommend contacting your local Chabad House. Just do a google search. But I think either www.chabad.com or www.chabad.org should have a link to local chabad houses.

The tree and fruit, of course, would be subject to any other rules and regulations of kashrut (some only applying to those living in Israel, some only if the owner is a halachic Jew, etc...) Unfortunately, I just don't know enough about the rules in Chul (outside of Israel) to comment on that any further. I guess that is something I should be learning.

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Aparently there was a custom in some Jewish communities of burying the placenta and planting a tree above it...that tree would grow and become part of the chuppah (wedding canopy...the poles that hold it, for example) for the son or daughter for whom the tree was planted. A nice custom, dontcha think?
Apparently I'm still subbed to this thread from way back when....but I wanted to say that I love this! Though I'd be heartbroken if we did that and then had to move or something and leave the tree behind...

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Hey Nicole. I have to admit I'm a bit sad to be hearing from you...I was hoping you were off giving birth somewhere. Then again, I'm sorry that I'm responding to you cause I also hoped I would be off giving birth somewhere, too. lol.

Anyways, Yeah, TOTALLY! It would be so sad, right? We burried dd's placenta in California under a tree in our apartment complex's yard...I don't remember which kind of tree it was, now, but I'm guessing it was a pine.

And we burried our son's placenta in the last place we lived, a few hours away...we HEARD that the apartment complex was going to cut down the tree, which I think was also a pine or something...but we went back once to see it and it was still there.

Right now I've got two trees, I have no idea what they are, in the yard and we'll probably bury under there. But, yeah, if I had the intention to use the tree for something down the line I'd have been so sad. Now I feel like, the placentas have been burried for YEARS and are very likely all broken down by now. They fed the earth and fed the trees and there is a light spiritual imprint there of each child from the time we lived there and that is enough for me. It'll have to be since we don't have a home of our own...

Anyways, this upcoming shabbat is
1. Shabbat (sabbath)
2. Tu Bishvat (the new year of the trees/tree birthday)
3. Full Moon

Sounds to me like a good time/week to birth, b'h!!!!

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That would be Saturday the 30th for you, yes? Too late for me at that point, since I'm scheduled for the induction Friday morning, but sounds promising for you!

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That would be Saturday the 30th for you, yes? Too late for me at that point, since I'm scheduled for the induction Friday morning, but sounds promising for you!
Friday at sundown till Saturday at sundown. B"H. I'd sure like to go before then, though. Just had an apt with the mw...ehh. I'm measuring 40 weeks...but, like, just no sign of ANYTHING out of the ordinary. I'm totally trying to will my mucous plug to fall out everytime I use the toilet.

Are you really having your induction this Friday?! That is SOOOO close!!!! I don't even feel sorry for you anymore, Nicole. lol. Worse case senerio, you've only got a few more DAYS!!!! This could go on for weeks for me...

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Yes, the 29th is it for me (39w1d). Way OT for this thread, but I'm still nervous about it. That is 9 days later than we induced DS and 3 days later than we induced DD2 and only 1 day earlier than DD1 came on her own...so with him measuring at least as big as DS...not sure how well it is going to go. Really had hoped he'd come on his own this weekend, but seeing as Sunday is over halfway over and no promising signs...

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size can be SOOO far off. I was just reading in an old mothering magazine about a woman who was told that her baby was 9lbs and baby turned out to be about 6lbs. They were totally off with dd. I think they said she'd be well over 8lbs or something and she was 6.5lbs. So, just relax. Trust your body and that is all you can do, ykwim? But you need to do YOUR part to get the birth you want, and that starts in your own mind. Planning for worse case senerio won't get you anywhere. And it's totally unnecessary to boot...you will already be in a hospital under the watchful care of a whole slew of people because of the induction...so just free your mind to have the birth you want!

Good luck and I'm really REALLY glad that the end is in sight for you.

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Yeah, I know that about the whole size thing...but I don't feel like he's small. DS was 9 pounds at 38 weeks, and my smallest baby was 7.5 pounds at 39 weeks. So I really don't think it's a 6 pounder in there. Not to mention his head is on my pubic bone and his butt wedged under my ribs half the time - so if nothing else he seems tall! I guess we'll see. I know "they" say that your body won't grow a baby you can't birth in MOST cases - but I do wonder how true that is. I mean, prior to medical intervention women died in childbirth, but on the other hand medical intervention also causes more problems than it helps some times. Gah, so frustrating! And definitely not helped by the fact that I'm not a patient person!

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yeah, I hear that. But, it could just mean that he's LONG and long doesn't necessarily mean difficult to birth. Basically, here is what it comes down to...babies have plates in their heads that move through the pelvis and into the birth canal. Provided there are no problems with the plates in his head (which would be VERY VERY RARE) then eventually they will move and he will come out. Usually the issue doesn't happen with the head...I mean, provided that you don't have any bizarre problems (problem with the cord not being long enough, etc...) he should descend properly and then the plates will adjust to fit and typically, for an ENORMOUS BABY the issue COULD be the shoulders...and just because your baby is long or weighs a lot doesn't mean he will have broad shoulders. He could be lanky...who knows! And even if he DID Have very broad shoulders, the best thing to do is change positioning to get the baby out. At that point, they don't do a c-section anyway, they would turn to epistomaty or vaccum/forcepts or something like that. But make sure you try on all 4's first before it even comes to that because USUALLY problem resolves in that position with a bit of manuvering of the babe.

It's not such a complicated thing. You can look up some old school midwife books/facts on these issues to see how mw's resolved these issues before medical intervention.

Furthermore, women weren't dying from their babies being too big...they were dying from the same reasons they are dying now, incidentially, which is post partum hemmorage. So, we all need to be viligent about our post pardum bleeding and makign sure to take the time we need to rest and care for ourselves.

Statistically, these are the things that I would be thinking about instead of wasting energy on something that is strongly rooted in fear.

Besides the fact that I BELIEVE that you can do this and I believe that your baby will fit PERFECTLY through your pelvis and birth canal.

I wish so much we could just go out for a cup of coffee and I could give you a pep talk. You are amazing. And you are going to be just fine. Really.

Now, when you get induced, can you PLEASE send some of those labor vibes my way?

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I will gladly send some vibes your way. I had really spicy chicken for breakfast and then did grocery shopping this afternoon...hoping the walking around would help some but no signs it did anything yet.

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I will gladly send some vibes your way. I had really spicy chicken for breakfast and then did grocery shopping this afternoon...hoping the walking around would help some but no signs it did anything yet.
Hang in there, honey. It won't be long now. xoxo.

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