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#31 of 44 Old 09-03-2010, 09:23 AM
 
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My head is spinning too. I grew up the oldest in a family that took in foster kids. We had over 100 kids in our home. Many were addicted to crack and had severe FAS and severe disabilitys. MY family is also European first generation immigrants.

I drink very moderately while pregnant. I do not understand the scare tactics in this country around mature moderate alcohal consumption and I have lived my life with the truth of FAS. There is a massive difference between binge drinking and moderate drinking and I am mature enough to know the difference and if any man knocked a glass out of my hand I would be beyond furious.
I also raise almost all of my food including all meat that I consume. I work damn hard and yes I have no shame about an occasional sip of wine with my gorgeous feast of a meal and my big gorgeous belly.

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So, I'm still in the first tri - either 12w3d or 12w. And I really want a glass of wine.

I've had two beers this pregnancy.

I didn't drink at all with my DD, and maybe had 4-5 glasses of wine or beer when pregnant with DS. I see a lot of conflicting info, but a great deal of it says no alcohol at all in the first tri.

This seems a little over-cautious to me. Really? A glass of wine is forbidden in the first tri?

Anyone want to weigh in? I don't have a problem abstaining. I just think a glass of wine would taste good and be relaxing. I can't imagine it's worse than, say, a diet coke?
Maybe pour your husband a glass and have a sip of his?

I'm personally not going to bother, but that is easy for me to say because it's not something that's on my mind at all. Probably because I've been going to bed around 8pm lol

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I would like to add something real quick that has come up for me while reading this thread: there's a difference between rationalizing something and having true awareness about it. I'm not trying to be rude, just sharing what I've noticed, in case it helps anyone...
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I have already answered the OP with how I feel, and I have a gentle question for rainbow.

I understand you have been deeply impacted with your work with FASD and you have a unique perspective. Do you think a few drinks (say five just to be more specific) all AFTER the first trimester could lead to anything along the FASD?

And about not following midwife's advice. Not all midwives are created equally. There are plenty of recommendations certain midwives would give that I would no way follow! Of course I've chosen a midwife I would certainly consider all of her reccomendations, but I still will evaluate each situation and not just blindly follow.

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I've had a lot of alcohol cravings during this pregnancy, too. I'm not indulging, but have found lots of things to satisfy the cravings.

Old Milwaukee (snicker, I know) has a very decent tasting non-alcoholic beer. It's much better even than Buckler's, which is a pretty high end import NA. I am suprised at how good it is.

For margarita cravings, frozen lime pops with a teeny sprinkle of sea salt do the trick. Also, I occasionally enjoy a virgin hand mixed bloody mary (only occasionally though, because the heartburn is a BEAR).

I've not found anything that subs well for wine, though.

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I have already answered the OP with how I feel, and I have a gentle question for rainbow.

I understand you have been deeply impacted with your work with FASD and you have a unique perspective. Do you think a few drinks (say five just to be more specific) all AFTER the first trimester could lead to anything along the FASD?
Did you mean to ask dislocator this instead? She's the one who's worked with families impacted by FASD. I just speak from intuition and information I've gathered from different sources.
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Old Milwaukee (snicker, I know) has a very decent tasting non-alcoholic beer. It's much better even than Buckler's, which is a pretty high end import NA. I am suprised at how good it is.
"Non-alcoholic" beer does have alcohol in it. So you ARE in fact drinking alcohol during pregnancy, even if it is a very small amount.

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"Non-alcoholic" beer does have alcohol in it. So you ARE in fact drinking alcohol during pregnancy, even if it is a very small amount.
Here's hoping my baby isn't born with 2 heads, then.

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Did you mean to ask dislocator this instead? She's the one who's worked with families impacted by FASD. I just speak from intuition and information I've gathered from different sources.
oops! yes, sorry!

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[QUOTE=echospiritwarrior;15803804]I have already answered the OP with how I feel, and I have a gentle question for rainbow.

I understand you have been deeply impacted with your work with FASD and you have a unique perspective. Do you think a few drinks (say five just to be more specific) all AFTER the first trimester could lead to anything along the FASD?
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My gut tells me that a few drinks towards the end of pregnancy wouldn't cause FASD or FAE. But I have no data on that. I have never heardof or seen a study that addressed an extremely limited alcohol consumption. Rationally, I can see that once the organs are formed the risk should be greatly reduced. But the brain is growing so RAPIDLY from conception to age 5 that I can also see how even a very minor exposure could have much larger consequences.

But that's only my gut, and my gut tells me lots of things that are very clearly wrong. My gut tells me that a baby's head should not be able to fit out of a vagina and I've personally experienced that very thing happening.

Personally, I don't risk anything more than a sip during pregnancy. Not even a glass of wine to test out BH contractions at the end. But that's just me.

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Okay, so let me address Rainbow's Mayo clinic study. 5-6 units of alcohol per week is ALMOST A DRINK EVERYDAY! A glass of wine at every dinner is VERY different from having a glass of wine at a wedding, or one a week to complement dinner. A couple of drinks at a time while pregnant would not be good for me because I'm kid of small, and I know my limits. BTW, I've known my limits since I was 19. It is NOT easy to overindulge in alcohol. Are we kids here? One drink is fine, and always has been, even for pregnant women, and I really think it's our country's religiousity, as well as our history of prohibition, that has made us so overly freaked out about alcohol.

So they documented that the fetus processes alcohol more slowly. Have they documented the effects of a single glass of alcohol on a fetus or embryo? What about 2? They claim that no amount of alcohol has been shown to be safe, but no one has done studies on the smaller amounts of alcohol. It's no big deal that the baby "feels it" if there is no damage done.

My midwife (and I both) subscribe to a more European model of pregnancy limits. I eat sushi, drink the occasional glass of beer or wine, eat soft cheeses (but who cares in this country, where it's all pasteurized,) and have continued Olympic-style weightlifting this pregnancy, albeit with lighter weights. I did everything except the weight lifting when pregnant with DS and he came out just fine. I know that's anecdotal evidence, but quite frankly, the program on FAS that I saw on Discovery Health a few years ago impacted me greatly. The alcoholic woman they documented had three children. She drank the same throughout all three pregnancies. The first child was unaffected, the second had mild FAS, and the third was severe. The woman also drank a fifth of vodka a day. The experts they interviewed basically said they only see FAS in the children of alcoholic women. So, since I found out I was pg with my DS the day before I left on my honeymoon to Ireland, I went ahead and had half a pint at the Guinness Storehouse, and drank a couple more pints over the two weeks we were there.

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So, since I found out I was pg with my DS the day before I left on my honeymoon to Ireland, I went ahead and had half a pint at the Guinness Storehouse, and drank a couple more pints over the two weeks we were there.
It seems to me like everything you've said is simply a lead-up to this confession. "I've heard this, Europeans do this, here's some anecdotal evidence and then this is what I consumed during the most critical period of development." It sounds like rationalizing to me, is what I'm getting at.
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Look, I'm the OP. I didn't ask for lectures or data. I asked what you all were doing individually, and I guess the why was ok, but if you've found yourself being intolerant of other moms' choices, maybe you should start you own thread for the preachin. I didn't ask for a guilt trip.

Thanks for all your data points. I am going to agree to disagree with a few you. I think I will probably have a glass of wine or beer here or there if I make it into the second trimester. I think you should all agree to disagree, too, and make this the last post in this thread.
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And now I'm closing this thread Please PM me if you have questions or concerns. Thanks ya'll.

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