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I know i started a thread on GBS and it's about 50/50.....but i am now ownderinf about Vit K injections and oral. I did not do it with my last baby and all was fine. This baby though is w a different midwife and she is pushing it. However i can decline. I have done some research on supplementing my diet post birth for 10 weeks. What are you doing?


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i researched it last time and went for it. i tend to have babies that come really fast and all four have had some sort of bruising or broken blood vessels on their eyes and faces from firing out of the birth canal like a cannon ballyikes.gif i was very glad I went ahead and did it last time since my darling Nate's collar bone snapped as he rocketed out


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i choose to do vit. k injection.  i'm sure all would be fine w/o it but I feel like the need for it could be there so I do it.  I kind of weigh things out- if i DON"T do this and this happens how will I feel about it.  Don't do any early vaccines, don't do eye ointment but the vit k i feel better about doing.  guess its just where my personal line is. 


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I'll be taking a vitamin K supplement starting any day now, but my baby will not be getting an injection or oral. I read that it can overload their system if they get it through injection or oral but if it comes from you they get the right amount. If it were me, I'd decline it and if you want you can explain what you will be doing as an alternative.


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We're declining (the injection) it unless the birth results in bruising.


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So what is the Vit K for? It sounds like if I choose to do so that I would rather take it myself than have baby have to deal with it. Plus I'd rather do that and not worry about baby getting too much or little of something they need.

 

A little OT...eye ointment...what is that for? Isnt it for something like an STD or something..?? pardon my naivety :) 

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Vit. K helps with clotting. Baby's don't have much of a supply until the 8th day after the birth I think? 

I agree with your thought process on it. :)

 

Eye ointment is in case of an STD, but I've also heard it can cause some bad side effects occasionally and of course it makes baby rather blind temporarily after the birth. If it were me, I'd decline it unless you suspect you could possibly have an STD.  The specific STD's that they are concerned about are gonorrhea or chlamydia. 

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So what is the Vit K for? It sounds like if I choose to do so that I would rather take it myself than have baby have to deal with it. Plus I'd rather do that and not worry about baby getting too much or little of something they need.

 

A little OT...eye ointment...what is that for? Isnt it for something like an STD or something..?? pardon my naivety :) 



 


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Thats what I was thinking about the eye ointment. I dont have to worry about STD's, so I will be declining the goo. But I think I may start the Vit K supp. Thanks ladies!!!!!!!!!

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Another good thing about taking a vit. K supplement (or eating Vit. K rich foods) is that it's supposed to help with your clotting too, so less chance of a hemorrhage.


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I have declined the vit K in the past and will do so againt his time.  I will be supplementing with alfalfa starting in a couple weeks though.


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Not planning on on Vitamin K here although my MW will have it on hand in the event of a traumatic birth (lots of bruising, etc...)

I have already started taking alfalfa capsules and will continue through PP period.  I also make daily infusions with RRL, nettle, and alfalfa.  I bled pretty heavily last time even with all the supplementation, but hopefully it will help this time around!


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My midwife asked me a few weeks ago if I'd be having the Vit K injection again. I'm pretty sure she meant for me, though, as I do remember having a shot in my thigh once and an IV last time. I tend to be slightly anemic even when not pregnant so I never really thought twice about it. As far as I remember, I'm not sure they've ever given Vit K to my kiddos... I'll have to ask, maybe I was just out of it or something.

 

I was going to ask here about the eye stuff, but since that's been answered, thank you! I didn't remember it was for STDs, and since this is my fourth pregnancy with the same midwives group, I've basically been copy and pasting my previous birth plans. I only thought of it after reading a comment on the vaccinations board about the eye goo being silver nitrate(?) that made me start wondering.


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What are you taking to supplement for Vit K? Actual vit K supplements and if so where are you getting them....names...doages...etc...

 


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My midwife suggests supplementing with 3g of alfalfa per day starting at 36 weeeks and continuing for the first 6 months of BF.


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I did oral K with DS because he was bruised from being on my perineum for 2-3 hours and his cord ripped as he came out. We will be making the decision after the birth with this baby depending on the situation, but will definitely do oral if we think giving it is necessary. I am focusing on other herbs at the end of pg (RRL and Nettles), but will be taking alfalfa for my milk supply postpartum.

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My midwife offered the choice of oral or injection and gave me some articles to read.  We chose injection.

 

She said she wouldn't need the eye goo because my OB tested me for STDs before I transferred to her care, and I was negative.


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I'm still undecided on this one, but I'm leaning towards no. I thought that Vitamin K doesn't pass through breast milk (or enough of it right away) and that's why they want to give the injection...I can't remember where I read this though, I think in the vaccines forum even though it's not a vaccine. Does anyone have links/studies saying that it does so I can have it on hand?


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We are undecided still.  We were leaning towards it, and asked to se the list of ingrediants.  THE MW said it was in an alcohol base, well she hands one over and no, it is in aluminum.  Absolutely not doing that.  The MWs student was going to look into an aluminum free one.  I think I will look into the oral one too.  The MW does not supply that one, I have to get it from a compounding pharmacy, about an hour away.


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Couple of links to check out... Please read through them as this is an important decision. Just like when you decide whether or not to vaccinate, It is very important to look at all the information and figure out what makes sense to you. 

 

 

http://www.gentlebirth.org/archives/vitktop.html

 

http://legaljustice4john.com/jaundiceVitKshotNewborns.htm

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BREASTFEEDING - WHY IS IT A RISK?

 

Several authors have noted the higher incidence of HDN in solely breastfed babies. 9, 30  The incidence has been quoted as 1 in 1200. 30  Studies comparing breastmilk with formula and cow's milk have shown that breastmilk is lower in vitamin K. 22, 28, 32  Breastmilk substitutes are heavily supplemented with vitamin K, however, it is possible that, like iron, vitamin K is biologically more available to the baby from breastmilk, and so such high levels are not necessary.  

 

Measured levels of vitamin K in breastmilk seemed to vary depending on the type of measurement used; however, they all come out lower than cow's milk.  Fournier22 and Greer28found levels of around 8-9mg/l, which would mean that if a baby was taking in about 500ml per day, it would be getting the recommended 3-5mg daily.

 

Vitamin K content and availability are greater in the hind milk because of its higher fat content and vitamin K levels are also higher in colostrum.32  As an extra plus, breastmilk contains thromboplastin, one of the factors in blood clotting.18  

 

Vitamin K levels in the breastmilk rise markedly in response to the mother eating vitamin K rich foods or taking vitamin K supplements.29, 54  Nishiguchi found no cases of low vitamin K levels in breastfed infants whose mothers had been given supplements, as opposed to infants who had only been given 1 or 2 doses of oral vitamin K.54

 

Unrestricted access to the breast in the early days after birth is important, due to the higher levels of vitamin K in colostrum.  The importance of early feeding has been recognised since the 1940's.  Babies who have been fed within their first 24 hours have significantly better coagulation times than babies not fed until after 24 hours.24  

 

It is essential that, to receive the full complement of vitamin K in breastmilk, the baby completely finishes one breast before being offered the other.  Any practice that involves restricting either the baby's time at the breast or the number of feeds will not allow the baby to receive optimum amounts of vitamin K and will also prolong the time it takes for the baby's intestine to be colonised by friendly, vitamin K manufacturing bacteria.

 

More on it at the link http://www.vaclib.org/basic/vitamin-k.htm

 


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thanks for the links. i will read through them carefully and see if I change my mind


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Thanks for the links. I just have to read them now.


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It turns out the injectable my MW carries contains aluminum.  I do want to have something on hand and I found a local compounding pharmacy that carries an oral dose that is a plant based K1 in olive oil.  I am fairly certain I will go with that.


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We'll probably do the "wait and see how birth goes" thing.  I've got alfalfa to take...I should start that now.  I'm feel like I'd go with injection from what I remember reading about digestive issues.  


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