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#1 of 11 Old 10-29-2010, 11:55 PM - Thread Starter
 
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I'm watching The Business of Being Born. I've put it off for so long, but felt it was time. And - it's making me angry and sad about my first birth and so conflicted as to how we should approach this one.

This may be a long post, may be TMI, but I'm so conflicted and need to get it out and seek advice... what would you do?

In my sixth month of pregnancy with my daughter, I got sick... really, really sick. It started one Wednesday (I think) and I just didn't feel well at my stomach. I felt constipated, but started having intermittent diarrhea. I kept going to work and just started feeling worse. That Saturday night, I felt so bad that I stayed home and set my husband to a Ryan Adams and the Cardinals concert with friends and let my ticket go to waste. (Not something I thought I would EVER do!) Sunday night/Monday morning around 1 a.m., I woke up feeling terrible -- intense rectal pain and spasms -- and told my husband we had to go to the ER right away. We went to L&D triage, and one of the doctors in the practice diagnosed me with constipation, gave me laxative and enemas and sent me home. I slept that day and could only drink -- I couldn't eat because I couldn't go to the bathroom and continued having intense spasms. That next week, I went on short-term disability, stayed in bed and ate a few crackers, but mainly drank water/sprite/gatorade. And, I called my OB's practice every day that week with the same complaints. They continued to tell me that I was just constipated (I'm vegetarian and NEVER constipated... it just doesn't happen -- ever.) and that I just needed to keep drinking fluids and taking laxatives. Thursday, I went in and was checked by another doctor and given the same diagnosis. My mom came down that day to take care of me, because my husband had to work, and I needed help getting out of bed to make it to the bathroom and I needed somebody to bring me water, etc... Friday, she took me back to the doctor -- another one in the practice (I hadn't seen mine yet, because she had been on vacation the entire week.) He immediately felt something inside of me that shouldn't be there and ordered an ultrasound. The ultrasound found a 6-cm mass between my colon and uterus and because the baby was so big, it was pressing against my colon, causing a complete blockage and causing me to go into sepsis. My white count was through the roof, I had fever and crazy chills. They didn't let me go home, but immediately admitted me into the hospital and did emergency surgery the next morning through the use of interventional radiology (aka - a CAT scan guided the surgeons through my gluts so they could remove the mass since they couldn't open me up and go through my abdomen.) I then spent a week in the hospital on IV antibiotics and narcotics, fighting infection and a creeping case of pneumonia. I went home, regained my strength and went back to work.

A couple of months after that, I felt sick again (Christmas and I didn't want to go to the ER on Christmas day, so I had to wait to the day after to go to the doctor.) They checked my white count -- again, through the roof. Did an MRI and didn't find anything, but admitted me for another week of in-hospital IV antibiotics until my count was closer to a "normal" range.

Twenty days later - 10 days before she was due -- , my daughter broke my water. No contractions. It was 1 a.m. We had done Bradley courses in my seventh and eighth month, and had considered switching to a birthing center, but decided we should stay with my OB due to my medical history. Since I didn't have contractions, I went back to bed. Woke up, excited at 7, but no contractions. Called the hospital to ask what we should do, and they said we should have come in when my water broke. I packed a bag, showered, fixed my hair and hopped in the car. We arrived around 9 and even though I protested, they started Pitocin around 10 a.m. By noon, I sounded like a dying barnyard animal. I walked, was on all fours, bounced, etc... and I didn't dilate past a 2. I was getting discouraged. 2p.m. - still a 2. 4 p.m., still a 2. 6 p.m., still a 2, weak and completely defeated. I accepted an epidural and slept. 8 p.m., still a 2 and my doctor advised that if there wasn't any progress by 10, we needed to schedule a cesarean because we were reaching the threshold for risk of infection (I had already been on IV antibiotics for hours.. and I was strep-negative, so that wasn't a worry.) 10pm - still a 2. And, I caved, completely defeated. 10:56pm - my sweet daughter was born with a huge knot on her head - 22 hours after she broke my water but didn't start contractions.

SO... That's the background. Here's the now...

I LOVE my doctor. I've been going to her for 10+ years now. She has great bedside manner and I feel we communicate well. She also knows I want to VBAC. And - I don't kind-of want to VBAC -- I really want to VBAC - but I want to do it in an healthy and safe manner. Matter-of-factly, she told me that I have a 30% success rate because the reason my daughter wouldn't progress was because my pelvis was too narrow and that's why she was OP, wouldn't turn and why I wouldn't dilate. I love her so much that I don't want to switch, but, I'm scared that she *could* take me into another cesarean that may not be necessary. I also struggle with the thought of weather or not so much intervention with my daughter's birth was necessary. I've contacted one birth center and they won't take me because of my history. I can contact more and other midwives, but is it the right thing to do? I'm scared; conflicted; don't want to leave my doctor, but wonder if I should, etc... etc... I've been so honest with her and see her again on Wednesday of next week and need to talk through things with her. I don't want to get well into the pregnancy and still have these internal conflicts. And again - I don't want to leave her because we gel... and what if she's right AND what if I get sick again? (they don't know what caused my first illness... I've been the mystery of a team of specialists)

Oh - and there are things I'm already doing to ensure a successful VBAC: I just started seeing a chiropractor, and am starting to read hypnobabies.

Advice? Your stories? Help?

... back to watching "The Business of Being Born"

I know this was incredibly long. If you read this far, bless you

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I don't have the perfect advise.. but think you should keep thinking on things and figure out what you are most comfortable with.

My situation was 100% different but I was misdiagnosed with preterm labor/and 'shortening cervix' with my first pregnancy. It lead to tons of Ultrasounds and way to many doctor visits, hospital stays etc.. 9.5 weeks of bedrest and I had the baby 3 weeks after being let up off bedrest (37w exactly). Healthy baby, healthy mama.

2nd pregnancy I was watched like a hawk .. had extra prenatal care, progesterone shots in the hip, and all that kind of stuff. I carried to 38.5 weeks no problem, big healthy baby.

3rd time I said phooey.. and went to a homebirth midwife.. explained my history they told me that my body just naturally contracts a lot (AND were SHOCKED to find out when I had explained that my Mom and Sister BOTH contract a lot just like me and go to full term that the doctors didn't care.. midwives said that should have been huge to the docs).. and is fine. My cervix btw was on the 'edge' of being to short at 24 weeks but never got any shorter.. in fact it got a tad longer.. before I was close to my due date (when it naturally began to shorten at a healthy time).

All this to say....... you've got to figure this out for yourself.. there are a lot of variables with EVERYONE's pregnancy/birth.. and only the very ones involved can know how to proceed.

Sometimes they are wrong....... in the OB world.. sometimes they are right.

I'm grateful to have had 2 natural no intervention hospital births, and one easy home birth.. the first hospital birth was slightly traumatic due to a nurse interferring.. though and I'm grateful to be 'out' of that atmosphere and planning another homebirth this time around if all goes well.

9 times out of 10 it is hooey when they say your pelvis isn't big enough for a baby to pass through (how large was your first baby btw?) .. it's very rare for a woman to be pregnant with a child that she can't naturally birth. Most times it is their interference that causes the woman to not progress. BUT there are a few cases with odd shaped pelvis's or very small ones.. where it's actually true.

So .. really you gotta feel 'right' in this no matter what decision you make.

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Sorry typing on mobile for the next couple days which is a pain in the butt..

But, the one resource I would HIGHLY recommend is The Pink Kit.

I agree with the previous poster about the narrow pelvis probably being a bunch of hooey. They tell you that crap so they give you an out. You feel better about the full meal OB deal because there is a reason you "cant" birth vaginally, they feel good because you'll be a good compliant little patient since they have made you feel defective. How did she even come up with that? Has she done pelvimetry on you? Even that is sketch.. most OBs barely know how to palpate without a US.. sad but true.

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It sounds like your mama intuition very much guided you throughout your first pregnancy. Looking back, you wish things had been a little different (like not being misdiagnosed might have been nice!), but at the time you were making the very best decisions with the information you had. I have no doubt that same strong intuition of yours is at work now, under the surface, helping you navigate this new journey, and this time you're a whole new mama, bringing a new level of wisdom and experience to your next birth. Trust yourself and trust the process of struggling with the what-ifs and what-nows.

It's wonderful to find a practitioner like your doctor that you really like. However, if she believes your pelvis is too narrow for your baby to present normally, I would think your chances of a c-section are probably very high. She will bring her beliefs and assumptions into your birth and you won't be able to change her mind, not now and especially not during labor. It doesn't make her a bad doctor, but you definitely want to weigh the risks and benefits. There may be wonderful midwives out there willing to take you whom you may come to love just as much. On a side note, like a pp said, it's incredibly rare for a woman's pelvis to be too small to birth normally. Small pelvises are usually associated with chronic malnutrition early in life, but medical culture seemingly prefers to blame the woman rather than their own actions for "failure to progress."

And finally, if your health is good for the duration of this pregnancy, and especially if you stay with your doctor, labor at home as long as possible. Learn how to check your own cervix and read other signs to know where you are at in labor. Read "Birthing From Within," if you haven't already. I know this obviously was not an option for your first pregnancy, but this time around, if you are able to arrive at the hospital late in labor, there's a much lower chance of interventions and therefore c-section. Finally, there are no guarantees. Nobody can promise you the perfect birth in any setting. You are strong and resourceful and I believe you have and will continue to make the best choices in the situations that nature and other factors present to you.
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It's wonderful to find a practitioner like your doctor that you really like. However, if she believes your pelvis is too narrow for your baby to present normally, I would think your chances of a c-section are probably very high. She will bring her beliefs and assumptions into your birth and you won't be able to change her mind, not now and especially not during labor. It doesn't make her a bad doctor, but you definitely want to weigh the risks and benefits. There may be wonderful midwives out there willing to take you whom you may come to love just as much. On a side note, like a pp said, it's incredibly rare for a woman's pelvis to be too small to birth normally. Small pelvises are usually associated with chronic malnutrition early in life, but medical culture seemingly prefers to blame the woman rather than their own actions for "failure to progress."
I think these are wise words.

It may be that your OBGYN is right, but you won't know this until you seek other opinions.

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My first and second births were very similar to yours. To make long stories short, my water broke first and I labored for 25 hours with each and stopped progressing at 6cm both times. My babies were big (9lb 6 oz and 10lb 3oz) but I know of people who have birthed 12lb babies at home! It's been suggested that my pelvis is too narrow, but we'll never know for sure--that's the frustrating part! I never got a chance to try to birth my 3rd baby. The only option for VBA2C in IL was to hire an underground homebirth midwife. She was the most supportive in helping me feel confident I can have a normal birth, but she dropped me at 10days past EDD. I presented to the hospital for a C/S because I had no other viable choice. The baby was 10lb 6oz.

I'm sharing this with you because I still cannot give up feeling that I'd like to VBAC. Unfortunately it's nearly impossible to find support for that here. I've consulted a bunch of doctors known to be conservative and been rejected by each. The OB I decided to go with says he's still open to discussing it, but I think it's more that he will present more and more arguments about why it isn't a good idea. We'll see. He did at least really weigh the situation. He said it would be different if there had been complications like breech or something with the first two, but that I tried as hard as I could and the babies never even dropped wasn't a good sign. I wish I could just be at peace with accepting a C-section this time...but I still can't.

I think reading books to make you informed and confident in your body and doing hypnobabies are great ways to prepare. With number 1, I wasn't informed enough to know to refuse going to the hospital and starting pitocin. With number 2 I still had doubts that I could do it once we transferred to the hospital (because of pre-E.) I felt very confident with number 3 that I could and would do it! I believe if I had just gone into labor it would have happened (if my pelvis isn't actually too narrow.) See, always a shadow of doubt! Darn it!

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Thank you for your advice!

Something I didn't mention, and I don't know if it has any bearing... maybe I'm trying to make excuses to make myself feel better...

I've been in several car accidents - 3 were pretty bad. When I was 18, I was in a wreck with a drunk driver who ran a red light at a high speed, and I was cut from the car using the "jaws of life" and removed from it on a body board. Nothing broke, but I've had pretty severe back and hip pain ever since... even though I went through months of PT. I went to an orthopedic surgeon about 5 or 6 years ago to see if there was anything they could do, and he said that one hip is rolled under, causing one leg to be shorter and causing me to overcompensate, etc... He said they could do surgery to straighten things out, but there was no guarantee of success or relief, so I decided against it. I saw a few chiropractors years ago, but left one after having a bad adjustment and left another after I felt too vulnerable -- he was creepy. I'm hoping this new one can help me get into alignment and reduce some of the pain. I also wonder if this contributed to the failure to progress.

From the time I could tell my daughter's position in my body, she was always OP.. for months. She settled there and stayed. There was plenty of movement with kicks and jabs, but she never rotated. I did all of the exercises that I could find on the spinning babies Web site and in my Bradley books, but no change. My doctor attributes this also to the difficulty and said that with my pelvic shape, she just settled early, stayed there and wouldn't let me dilate.

Maybe I'm just making excuses? I think I just like her so much that I'm scared to leave her. There is an OB in town that is known for a high VBAC success rate, but she has terrible bedside manner, and that's important to me. I crave/need a comfortable, warm relationship with the person who's going to deliver my child, or at least the person who is going to care for us throughout the pregnancy.

sonshinerae - I'm so glad your midwife listens to you and sorry that you had to go through so much intervention at first. I can't imagine 9 weeks of bedrest. I was in bed for a total of about 4, and it drove me insane!

My daughter was just 7 lbs, 14 oz, so not a big baby. Average, I think, so that shouldn't have been a factor... and I'm not sure that's a factor on dilation. I just couldn't get past a 2, so never even got a chance to transition, push, etc...

MamaChef - I haven't heard of the Pink Kit, but I'll look into it. Thanks!

Annamartina - thanks. I am going to have a real (and possibly difficult) heart-to-heart with my doctor on Wednesday and I may contact more midwives to see if anybody will take me. I wish I could find one IN a hospital because of my previous history.... maybe I can. Also - I do have "Birthing from Within" but haven't read it. I'll move it to my bedside table. Thanks for the recommendation, and also for the affirmations.

And geekgolightly - thanks!

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I read your post and felt led to respond. Sorry this is incredibly long, but I've had a lot of babies, hee hee! My first 2 were c/secs. First was for breech(she had been breech the whole pregnancy), and they didn't even give me a chance to go into labor. Just scheduled a c/sec 2 weeks before I was due, and that was that. She weighed 7-6.

2nd baby I wanted a vbac(it was actually recommended back then, 17yrs ago). I was induced at 39wks, because dr. thought the baby was already around 9lbs. They gave me prostin gel to soften my cervix, and then broke my water the next morning when I was at a 2-3cm and started pitocin. I labored for 20hrs, dilated to a 6 and stalled there for several hours, and baby never dropped into my pelvis. I finally gave into another c/sec. The reason on my chart said c/sec for failure to progress and cpd. The day after my ob gave me the whole, "your pelvis is too small speech, and you could probably only birth no more than a 5lbs baby". That baby only weighed 7-5, a bit off from 9lbs.

At first after the birth of my 2nd, I was just happy to have a healthy baby, but as the weeks and months went on I began to feel like a failure, like I was somehow broken/abnormal and realized just how desperately I longed to someday experience natural childbirth. When my 2nd was less than 2yrs old I started reading everything about vbac and natural childbirth that I could get my hands on. I joined ICAN and took a vbac class. I interviewed my future mw, even though I wasn't even pregnant yet. I really liked how encouraging she was. She told me story after story of women who had been told similar things as me and then went on to have bigger babies naturally. Slowly, bit by bit I started believing in my body again, but still the words that my dr. told me after that 2nd birth about how narrow my pelvis was kept haunting me at times and made me wonder if I was really just wasting my time. I guess my desire to at least try was stronger than my doubt, and I kept pushing forward for what I wanted.

By the time I was pregnant with our 3rd I knew that my best bet at avoiding a c/sec was to go the mw route. My ob was pretty laid back as far as they go, and he said he'd let me try for another vbac. But, deep inside I had this feeling that it'd end in another c/sec. Being a labor/del nurse I also knew that a lot of how my labor was handled would depend on which nurse I happened to get. They can really make or break a labor. If it was one who was all for natural birth it could be great, but more than likely it would be one of the many who liked to push pitocin and epidurals(I think because it makes a nurse's job easier). I felt I needed to be outside of hospital guidelines and the traditional, textbook mindset of how labor should progress if I really wanted the best shot at natural birth. I'm SO thankful I went with the mw. First off, I went a week past my due date, and I looked BIG. I have a feeling my ob would've really put the pressure on to induce before I even got to my due date. At 40wks even my mw thought I would likely have a 8 1/2-9lbs baby, which I felt was big for my petite 5'2" frame. My mw, though, assured me that true cpd is extremely rare and that a baby that big was not too big for me or the vast majority of women. She kept reminding me how amazing the female body is and how much things can move and stretch at just the right time. My labor ended up being 20hrs. I stalled at a 5-6 for several hours towards the end. All along the entire labor I fought feelings of doubt, some of them I voiced out loud but each time my mw kept reassuring me that my baby was happy and that my body was working beautifully, to just surrender to the surges. Finally, I made it to transition, and from there things went fairly quick to complete. Then pushing lasted 1 1/2hrs. I was so exhausted and even when my baby's head was crowning I kept saying I didn't know if I could do it, that maybe I was too small. I remember my dh and mw kind of chuckling at me and saying honey, you ARE doing it. I was in state of a joyous, awestruck disbelief for days after the birth hardly believing that I had really done it. My baby weighed 8lbs 10oz, and I didn't have even one tiny little tear or scratch. I can't tell you how healing that birth was.

Each baby since then has been born at home with the same wonderful midwifery group.

Baby #4 was footling breech at 40wks, but still a fairly easy and fast! labor and birth. He weighed 8-2.

Baby #5 was a super easy labor and birth at 41wks, lasting only 3hrs start to finish. She weighed 8-3.

Baby #6 was another easy labor and delivery at 41wks, lasted about 4hrs. She weighed 8-7.

Baby #7 was my easiest labor, so fast and mild, at 41wks, lasted 3hrs but only about 1hrs from the time I thought I was in labor. She weighed 9-2.

Baby #8 was still what I would consider a good labor, though it was harder than my others because he was posterior. He liked being posterior the whole pregnancy. He did turned just before coming out, but it made for a slightly longer labor, 6hrs start to finish, and was definitely more painful. He weighed 8-2.

*I've never torn at all with any births. With the exception of that 1st vbac, my pushing phase has only lasted 10-15min each time.

I hope reading through this gives you a glimmer of hope. If you really, really want a vbac, I would highly recommend interviewing with some mws. Also, read Silent Knife and Spiritual Midwifery if you can. Hypnobirthing is great too!

What helped me to finally decide to go with a mw that first time was to realize that if I didn't at least give it my all trying that I would always look back and question, "what if I'd done this or that?". I knew that if I tried all that was within my power to make a natural birth happen and it still ended up in a hospital transfer or c/sec that it would at least, on some level be easier to accept, because I would know that I had given it my all. I had plenty of doubt along the way, and I met resistance from family, friends, and previous co-workers who thought I was completely insane to try such a thing. I prayed a lot that God would allow me to experience birth the way He designed it and give me the strength, stamina, and courage to face what was ahead, and then a peace with whatever that was. I hope you can search in your heart and listen to your gut and have the courage to do whatever "you" feel is right for "you", whether that is going for a vbac with a mw or going with your ob in the hospital. I'll be praying for you to find peace with whichever decision you make.

Best wishes to you!

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ibusymomto5.. THANK YOU so much for sharing that. I cried as I read about your journey.

Crystalyn,
I dont know where you are geographically, sometimes they are hard to find, but an ICPA Certified Chiropractor that is skilled in the Webster Technique might make a world of difference. Ive seen SO many chiropractors over the years because I believe in Chiropractic, but I think you have to find the right person with the right techniques to fix your body. For me, I know that folks that go to Life West are usually pretty skilled in the Thompson methods of adjusting with a drop table, which is what I have found the most relief with. My current chiro doesnt use one and there are a couple areas that he just cant get as quickly as my last could. But, I have found that keeping with it is the key. His techniques do work, they just might take 3 visits opposed to 1.. but on another area of my body he is able to fix things that months of seeing my last chiro had barely addressed. You have to do those first few weeks of 2-3 visits a week, and then keep it up every week for awhile. For me, the muscles were so chronically used to holding the pain that it takes a bit for the adjustments to really make a difference and I HAVE to do something to address the muscle issues at the same time, or Im basically just having someone shove something back into place every week.

PT wasnt super effective for me. Wearing a TENS and hydrotherapy worked better. But what has worked absolutely the best for me is Egoscue therapy. The changes in the pain in my body after 2 major car accidents and a completely wonkjy L5 as a result...and several smaller ones (this is why I dont let anyone but my DH drive me anywhere anymore.. Lol) The awesome thing about Egoscue is that you just have to buy a book and do the exercises at home. They arent even "Excercises" all they are are passive stretches. It was truly life changing for me. I did do one session with an egoscue therapist, but I had already gotten the book and had tried out the excercises at home.. what she taught me wasnt that much different, she just added a couple excercises in from other sections of the book for my shoulders even though my primary complaint is my SI and right hip.

http://www.amazon.com/Pain-Free-Revo...8459627&sr=8-1

I really feel that learning what it feels like to actually have muscles that have been contracted for over a decade relax will help me in childbirth. I joke you not that we measured my pelvis before I started to do egoscue non pregnant, no relaxin.. and then after I had done it for 30 days.. and I gained 2 inches on my hip size but had actually lost weight. It wasnt muscle either because I didnt try to start building up those muscles until the chronic inflammation was under control. Im more aware of my pelvis then Ive ever been after fully releasing with the Supine groin stretch. I used it with my hypnosis and I felt like I had an aha moment. Releasing those muscles will help my pelvis be so much more accomodating to labor. Atleast that is the hope

I really hope you can meet with a care provider who can nurture you without the fear stuff. Nothing you said means your pelvis is too narrow. Maybe your sacrum was off, or your hip.. Who knows. But you did the best you could with the information you had and this is a new birth. You have more information.. Your body has changed. You have changed

I really think supportive care is really important and barring that, care by someone who believes in your goal. If your Doc gives you a 30% chance, well.. yeah, that is patronizing, paternalizing, not really nurturing.. ya know?

Maybe go see the VBAC supportive doc and see if your experience of their beside manner is the same as others. You might feel so relieved someone believes in your ability to VBAC that it's more nuturing even if it isnt warm and fuzzy. You might also think of finding an awesome doula for your nurturing and go with the VBAC supportive doc.

Whatever you decide, I wish you luck in your decision. This whole experience is so hard when you have a scar on your uterus. Scientifically, logically, emotionally.. it shouldnt be this way and I hope the pendulum starts swinging to a more supportive climate for VBACs soon.
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jrsmom - thank you so much for sharing. I hope you can try again and I hope that you have success and the birth you've dreamed of!

My doctor told me the same thing as yours. She told me that if I had a C for a breech presentation, my success rate for a VBAC would be 70% but she said my first birth gives me a 30% success rate... possible, but not good odds to hear. And - my daughter never engaged or even dropped, either. And she was small... less than 8 lbs, so I don't think it had anything to do with her size, but her position in me.

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1busymomto5 - thank you, thank you for your testimony. It certainly gives me hope!

MamaChef - thanks for all the info! I do know the chiro I just started seeing does practice the Webster technique. She actually specializes in prenatal chiropractic, so she also has a preggo table for when my belly gets bigger (I don't know the technical term... nor have I seen it yet. I may ask on Tuesday.) Also - thanks for the info! I've had bad results with chiropractors and swore them off until last week, so I'm pretty unknowledgeable as these things go. Your information is good. And - I'm going to look into the stretching exercizes you recommended. I used to practice body rolling when I was an avid cyclist, but I let it go by the wayside when I put my bike on the rack.

I am starting to interview doulas in a few weeks. I have names of some great ones and am looking forward to the process. I just hope I can make a decision. And - I will look into midwives, as well as VBAC docs (As well as the one I'm currently seeing.) There is one well-known VBAC doc here, but she's really, really cold and prickly. I need warm and fuzzy. My chiro gave me a name I hadn't heard of and I'm going to look into this doc soon. The thing is that open enrollment for our health insurance is in November, and I need to weigh options and make sure my plan that I pick matches the practitioner I decide to go with so that we can afford this birth on our tight budget.

Thank you everybody for your input. It's good, gives me hope AND more options to weigh than I had considered before (books, resources, exercises, etc...)

I'm so thankful for this group!

Robin's wife, Harper's mommy, lifestyle and birth photographer, aspiring doula 
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