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So, I know there's still plenty of time and all, but I don't love carrying this baby breech, and also carrying that as a nagging worry in the back of my mind. A lot of people wouldn't even find out for sure for another 3 or so weeks, but here I am, as a(n almost) nurse-midwife, having known that my baby was head-up consistently since 30 weeks... 

 

Anyone want to share stories about babies who were late-bloomers on the 'turn into position front'? 

 

I'm doing chiropractic, inversions, home-made style accupressure, and trying to send baby good vibes. Would love any encouragement from you kind ladies, especially as this could mean the difference between a homebirth and a hospital birth or, of course, possibly a scheduled section for me. Thanks a lot.

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have you tried acupunture moxibustion?  I'm only 31 weeks but babe has been consistently feet down for a month, still just hoping it'll turn naturally..


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Im in the same situation.  For me, I can tell babe is all over the place though, so that gives me hope.  She just NEVER will go completely head down.

 

Ill do websters Monday and Ive been doing moxibustion, inversions, pelvic tilts, cat cow, knee chest, light stim, hubby talks to her down low, visualization and one session of pool hand stands.. LOL

 

Here are some other ideas for you:

 

 

1. Visualizing the baby moving down with the head very deep in your pelvis, several times a day; especially in conjunction with positions and exercises below.

2. Swimming as often as possible. This keeps your body and pelvis loose and relaxed. Do in conjunction with headstand below if you have help.

3. Headstand - with assistance and in a pool frequently as possible.

4. Breech Tilt - begin at 32-35 weeks gestation. Do 3 times daily for 10-15 minutes each time, when you have an empty stomach, and the baby is active. Prop one end of an ironing board securely on a sofa or chair 12 to 18 inches high (or may use slant board). Lie down, bend knees but keep feet flat on board. Relax, breathe deeply, avoid tensing. May also use pillows on a flat surface to raise hips 12-18" above shoulders. Gravity pushes the baby's head into the fundus, tucks it, and baby can then do a somersault to a vertex position.

5. CD/iPod headphones - place them inside mom's pants toward her pubic bone and play classical music for 10 minutes 6-8 times a day.

6. Flashlight - try moving slowly down from the top of the uterus toward your pubic bone while you are in a breech tilt position.

7. Massage - start with your left hand at the bottom of the abdomen and your right hand just above it. Move your hands clockwise around the right side of your tummy. As your right hand reaches the top of your abdomen, slide the left one over your right and move it down the left side of your tummy. Your left hand leads as you come full circle, continuing clockwise. Massage gently as you would to apply lotion. Massage for ten minutes or more up to several times each day.

8. Clothespin - place on the small toe of each foot at the outside corner of the toenail; sideways so that the toenail and toe pad are stimulated for 30 minutes per day, this is an acupressure point that is a "moving down" point. You can also do this with just finger pressure as you remember to do it.

9. Motion Sickness band - place with the bead four finger widths above the inner ankle bone - another acupressure point that is used for stimulation of the uterus. Do not use this point if you are experiencing any pre-term labor.

10. Glass of orange or other juice - follow this with a side-lying position with your hips positioned higher than your feet. Babies move more after a sugar high!

11. Pelvic Tilt- with an ice pack on the top of your tummy on an empty stomach, 10 minutes twice a day. Do this while lying on your back on the floor with knees flexed and feet on the floor with three large pillows placed under your buttocks. Try this in conjunction with headphones and visualization.

12. Cat stretch - start with all fours, then lay your head and chest flat on the floor with your buttocks in the air, as you round your back and return to all fours.

13. Knee-chest position - by kneeling with hips flexed slightly more than 90 degree, but with thighs not pressing against your tummy and your head, shoulders and upper chest are flat on a mattress for 15 minutes every two waking hours for five days.

14. Belly Relaxing followed by Inversion - Partner places a shawl, sheet, towel or rebozo under mom's hips as she lays on the floor. Lift up on the corners of the cloth and shimmy her from side to side moving your hands up and down to wiggle her belly from side to side. These should be very small movements which mom should find very relaxing. Do this for about 5 minutes. Then mother kneels on the stairway landing. Walk your hands down 2 or 3 stairs into an all fours position; have your partner support your shoulders to balance you. Remain in this position for about 5-10 minutes or as long as comfortable. Also do this on an empty stomach.

The following techniques to turn breech babies to vertex involve the assistance of a specialist or medical professional:

15. Homeopathic- Pulsitillia 200C given one time per day for 3 days.

16. Acupuncture - find a acupuncturist who is familiar with pregnancy and knows the points to stimulate for turning a breech baby.

17. Webster's Breech Technique - see a Chiropractor who is experienced in this technique.

18. External Version - this can be done in the hospital at about 37 weeks; see an Ob-Gyn for assistance and more information.

 

 

 

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I've had 2 breech babies, so it's always something I wonder about. My 1st was breech and a scheduled c/sec. She had been breech the whole pregnancy and never turned. I could always feel her hard little head in my right rib cage. My 2nd breech was my 4th baby, and he had been head down the whole pregnancy and then flipped just a few days before I went into labor with him at 1 day shy of 40wks. I was actually scheduled to go in for an external version the following morning but went into labor late at night and had him at home after a very quick and easy labor with no complications. Just thought I'd share that as proof that babies do have room to turn right up till the last minute and that a vaginal breech delivery doesn't necessarily equal hard, long or impossible. I'm petite 5'2", smalled boned, he was over 8lbs, and he still had room to turn last minute. Best wishes!!

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My 3rd babe didn't turn and stay head down until 37 weeks...it was a little nerve racking and frustrating but yes he did finally turn.  Is this your first baby?  Has the baby been head up the entire time or have you felt him/her flip around?    I know my 3rd was flipping all the time...I would feel hiccups in increments on one side starting beneath my rib cage and then ending down low, so he was moving a lot.  I feel like this one is the same but more often than not stays head down.

 

Hugs mama!  I hope it all works out!


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I've known half a dozen people who were "floating breech" and still turning up and down IN LABOUR! :)

 


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I am/was particularly concerned about breech, since I was a last minute breech (born by c-section *sigh*) - my midwife suggested checking out http://www.spinningbabies.com - it has some good exercises and positions for encouraging the babe to turn the right way (not just head down, but flexed and facing the posterior).... might also be a useful site for your midwifery practice.

 

She also recommends accupuncture/accupressure - she does it for her clients (most midwives I interviewed refer people to an accupuncturist).

 

Also, as others have noted, it's still not too late - hang in there - sending good "head down" vibes your way!

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At the end of all this... are you just not comfortable having a breech delivery? Being a midwifery student (I read that right, right?) you know that the risks are largely overblown and a breech can be a very safe delivery. :) If you'd prefer to deliver a breech by cesarean, I'd wait until the baby chose hir own birthday first. If you're cool with it ensure your care provider has been trained to deliver a hands off breech and away you go! 


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Thanks for all the encouragement. It's good to picture others out there with raised pelvises talking to their little ones and trying not to stress too much about what can of course be nerve-wracking. 

 

So much of what's challenging about this is not knowing what to prepare for... I really prefer a homebirth, which I'm only comfortable with if baby is vertex, but there is an OB in our area known for his skill with natural breeches (and twins, and triplets!), so that's an option, though I'll have to cross that bridge if/when I come to it, as far as transfer of care, making sure I don't 'risk out' for a variety of reasons- first time mom, etc. 

 

Of course, before all that is the possibility of a version, which I have some mixed feelings about, like all of you, would much more gladly have the baby turn on its own. It feels like it has some room to maneuver in there, but not a lot, and hasn't ever really been head down, though with my torso being the (enormous) length it is, I almost suspect this is because the baby hasn't ever really gotten uncomfortable enough to need to flip. So, we're working on that with all manner of fun maneuvers mentioned above. Thanks to everyone for the great ideas, there were some new ones...

 

I am an ( all but graduated) CNM student, and of course that plays into my thinking, but, I've really had a care-free pregnancy, and have done a great job not trying to be my own midwife... this is just one of those things that we can't control... almost wish I hadn't known until now, and so could have saved myself some worry.

 

mamachef and lovebeingamoma all the best to you with your turn-encouraging endeavors. It is good to remember that 97%ish percent really do end up head down, even at the last minute, after giving some good practice at maternal worry beforehand... it's also great to hear about good vaginal breech births, ibusymomto5... of all the births I've attended, and all the things I've become comfortable with, I've never been at a breech birth, it's great to hear your story. Thanks!

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Monkey was a somersaulter who liked being a footling breech. Acupuncture got him moving, but he never stayed heads down. I had a successful version at 38 weeks. It hurt but was worth it. Recovery involved lots of chocolate.

This new baby is clearly switching between all positions. She/he was heads down at the back up OB less than a week ago, but now is back to her/his preferred transverse breech.


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After an awesome Chiropractic appt yesterday including Webster's technique, baby moved like crazy all afternoon into the evening.  At one point I visually saw her feet walk up my side and felt a THUNK on my cervix.  I was scared I was wrong and would be disappointed, but had a midwife friend take a peek via US today and babe is indeed head down.  Hopefully she will stay that way.  I dont have alot of room in my torso, so odds are good.

 

Hope everyone's babies TURN TURN TURN.

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After an awesome Chiropractic appt yesterday including Webster's technique, baby moved like crazy all afternoon into the evening.  At one point I visually saw her feet walk up my side and felt a THUNK on my cervix.  I was scared I was wrong and would be disappointed, but had a midwife friend take a peek via US today and babe is indeed head down.  Hopefully she will stay that way.  I dont have alot of room in my torso, so odds are good.

 

Hope everyone's babies TURN TURN TURN.


Yeah! Here's hoping she stays put!!!

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If it is your first baby I would start being pretty aggressive with getting them to flip. In my clinical rotation we liked to see primips vertex by 35 weeks and honestly in my practice now I have not seen a primip spontaneously vert after 32 weeks. I have had the most success with acupuncture. ACOG recommends ECV at 36 weeks. So, you are getting pretty close. I am not trying to be pessimistic. I would just start being really proactive about it at this point.

 

Multips are a whole different story.


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