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#1 of 5 Old 03-21-2012, 03:54 AM - Thread Starter
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I am proud of my two daughers' treatments of their friends at school, sticking up for kids who are being picked on, and having a sense of justice. Both of their teachers have commented on this and they get citizenship awards every quarter with specific examples of things they do that warm my heart.

But at home the rules change. My 11 year old pushes my 8yo's buttons allll the time. She does things under the radar like whispers or makes faces as I am giving the 8yo a stern talk about something. She says "yeah" if I remind my little one to lower her volume, or remind her to do some forgotten housework. She screams horribly if I send the 8yo into her room to get a clean pair of socks if she is out of them. Other times my 11 year old can be so sweet and will patiently help her with understanding a math problem, or read to her, or make her a craft. I can never tell if she's going to be nice or not in a given moment.

My 8yo is very very loud, sometimes on purpose to annoy my 11 yo who has some sensory issues left over from early childhood before she was dx with Celiac and got much better. My 8yo had major medical issues as a baby/toddler including a feeding tube and lots of vomitng, and she still has anger issues from that and we are working on them. She is generally very sweet and gets frustrated when she is trying so hard to control her anger and her sister keeps pushing her buttons. She will shout stop over and over and then lash out sometimes physically at the older one. She will invite my 11yo to her room to play but then kick her out in a fit of anger if the 11 year old does not follow her play rules.

They fight over space at the sink when brushing their teeth. They fight over calling the dog to themselves and will confuse the poor dog. I have tried numerous things to touch on their compassionate side, remind them of having space if they need it, and I have read Sibs without Rivalry which has helped but not that much. Dh and I dread the time when all of us are home from school and work because it is a very bad environment to be in at times, and its impacting our own peace of mind and relationship.

What are some ideas on how to make this better?? I know some sib fighting is normal but this is really intolerable. My youngest tells me a lot she wishes she was not born into this family.

7yo: "Mom,I know which man is on a quarter and which on is on a nickel. They both have ponytails, but one man has a collar and the other man is naked. The naked man was our first president."
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i have no words of advice to give you.


but i wanted to share my bro and i were very much like your girls. i feel awful about what we made my mom go thru.


we loved and hated each other. one time we literally tore the clothes of each other.


yet if anyone said anything to my bro about me he would tear them apart.


in my case i will say that was a good way to get a 'physical and emotional workout' done. as we wrestled i had to control my anger enough to where i could cause pain but not injury. forcing myself to control my anger was a good thing for me.  

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I liked the book "Mom, Jason's Breathing on Me..." better than Siblings without Rivalry. One of his basic points is that this is often a ploy for mom/dad's attention and so the less you get sucked into their bickering the better. When someone gets hurt (he says physically, but I say emotionally as well), then you send them both to their 'corners' to cool off. Trying to figure out how the instigator was is an exercise in futility. It takes two to fight, so they both get sent to cool down.


How much one-on-one time does each girl get with you? With dad? My kids get along better (they're 7 and 10, so close in age), when they've had the full attention of at least one parent a couple of times a week. They do even better when they get it nearly every day, but a lot of weeks that's not going to happen. Playful Parenting talks about the benefits of one-on-one time for improving sibling rivalry.


I can't tell you how often I repeat that phrase 'are you the parent?' or "it's not your job" because one of my kids (usually my younger) has said "yeah" or tried to reinforce what I'd just told my other child. There's nothing more infuriating to child to hear "yeah, you really need to" after mom has just told you that you really do need to change your underwear every day!


How do your girls gain energy? Both my kids are introverts. When they come home from school, they separate into different areas of the house. Ds eats his 2 humungous spoonfuls of Nutella (it's the only thing that keeps his pants up!) and goes and plays Wii for 1/2 hour or so. Dd sits down at the computer and composes a story or goes off to her room to construct some sort of elaborate play scenario (or she changes clothes and goes outside in her 'colonial' outfit). Both NEED this down time apart. Maybe you could set up a routine with some time apart?


I wonder too, how much of this is that they're developing different interests and those are harder to manage. It's easier for me because my kids can use the gender difference to 'explain' their increasingly divergent interests. Ds is all about sports, dd is really all about fantasy play. Now at age 8, ds was all about fantasy play too, so I don't think it's as much gendered as one might think. What's your 11 year old into? What's your 8 year old into ? Do they have other kids to play with? That might ease some of the tension too.


If all else fails, teach them how to fight fair. No name calling. No blaming someone else for your problems. (Dd always forgets to save her stories on the computer and then blames ds for shutting down the program without saving. No dear, it's YOUR fault you didn't save. It's not his problem.) Keep to the issue at hand. It only takes about 40 years to learn!

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Thanks so much for your thoughtful replies. I did not get back to this thread to reply as I got caught up in crazy work and family schedules. I did read them and started to encourage more time apart, and more time one on one with me apart from each other. I think that me going back to work has been a factor, because their time with me is more limited (I work 12 hour night shifts). I have made it a point to have mommy dates with them at least every couple of weeks, too.



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USAmma, I have 11 yr old and 8 yr old girls too. I also liked "Mom, Jason's Breathing On Me". I'm often heard to say "Girls, knock it off," rather than single them out by name. 


Good luck with it!

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