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#31 of 43 Old 08-02-2004, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by chel
I went on about nasty bathrooms and dear mom said that the breast in public might excit teenage boys. I personally think most teenage boys would be more embarrassed, let alone turned on by saggy, stretch marked covered boobs of a "mom".

people seem to come up with all kinds of wierd things... that's one of the most ridiculous I've heard... as if...
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#32 of 43 Old 08-02-2004, 05:19 PM
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Hey, I love saggy stretchy boobs of moms!!!

Including my own!!!

If you're uptight about nakedness, you miss a lot of experiences...

Not that I'd run naked on the asphalt---hurts if you fall.
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i'm realizing my drunken neighbor was just making up stuff. Tina, you nailed her exactly!!! she only comes over rarely and after friday night she's not allowed back. (my dh drove her home and then she cussed him out). as for her knowing about the boys nursing(she has complained to dh the last 2 yrs without my knowing), she has not seen it, only heard me mention it and dh likes to comment that they nurse when someone tells him how healthy and strong my boys look.

i guess since i'm more of a prude and worry about offending people, i'll enforce the dress code for outside play. my dh isn't going to go out of his way to enforce such a silly rule. he's right! and it shouldn't even matter!
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Mine run around naked or in undies a lot too. When DD was a toddler, my mom made her a hooded towel that said "Princess Nakey Baby" on it. I have had to tell the kids to wear clothes outside in front of the house, as once when they were out there naked (they had run outside after their bath when DH got home) DH said someone drove by and gave DH a dirty look. But then again, it may be because DS (who was 2 at the time) holds himself a lot when he's naked, LOL.
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I just saw a news report today, A mother of a two year old girl was escorted off Valley fairs grounds and charged with tresspassing because she refused to put a shirt on her child while she was swimming there. The mother said a security guard came up to her told her that her child needed to wear a shirt. The mother than pointed out that no boys were wearing shirts and it wasn't like her 2 year old had breasts. The security guard then called the police to take the woman and her child off the property! How horrible for the child and for the mother! The one thing that I did find interesting about this news story is that they showed the two year old playing in a pool on the news shirtless. While her mother talked of the issue that happened at valley fair. Now, if they can show the girl on the 6 pm news shirtless wouldn't you think it would be ok for her to be shirtless at valley fair?

Or even in your case, your children in their own yard with parents around.

I'd be quite upset with the cop also, he didn't have to word things the way he did with your children standing right there.

I do agree, it's sad that we live in a society that is afraid of nudity.
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So, in our family, there are no two piece swimsuits and no short skirts, skimpy shirts, backless tops, or adult style clothes, but nudity is fine and dandy.


these are also rules in our family
oddly enough, I always change DD into and out of her swim wear in the open at public pools here in southern Wisconsin. What's the difference if I do it outside or in the locker room in front of everyone? I hadn't noticed any dirty looks, but maybe I'm oblivious DD is also a lover of nakies. I remember about a year ago she was running in circles (naked of course) and I asked her what she was doing. Her reply? "I'm running a round naked." LOL ...get it "a round" in a circle? Too funny. She still manages to get out the front door on occasion, but we do have a rule that nakies are for in the house only, unless you're a little brother who needs to clear up a rash
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Originally Posted by Britishmum
So, in our family, there are no two piece swimsuits
I just have to comment on this because my original gut feeling was the same - my kids would only wear one piece swimsuits because somehow two piece suits seemed too "old" or sexy for children to wear.

However, a few times of trying to peel a wet, clingy one piece suit all the way off so my dd1 could go to the bathroom was enough to change my mind! Now they (dd1 and dd2) own both one piece and two piece but I much prefer the 2 piece because of ease of bathroom use!

I do have to say though that it takes quite a bit of looking to find two piece suits that look appropriate (to me) for children. I like the tankini ones (tank top style on the top so only a bit of tummy shows and everything is easily covered) or the ones with the boy shorts type bottoms - basically a two piece but with more fabric either way!

We are not much for hanging around naked here - if my kids ran from the shower to their room to the bathroom that would be about enough and time to put clothes on but that is just us. Never outside naked (in my family) but I do change their clothes after swim lessons - either in the chair area near the pool (small private pool - just a few families at a time in the backyard) or at the car. My dd1 is 8 and finds a private place behind something or in the 3rd row of the Suburban but my dd2 is 3 and will change anywhere. We are quick and it seems ok so far.
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Wow. I never realized I was such a prude! Dd is allowed to be naked inside and in the back yard, but not in front. In fact, I insist on shorts or tights under a dress (she refuses to wear anything but dresses) if she's going out in the world, especially to the playground or somewhere like that. I try not to make a huge deal of it, just give her the societal norms speech, or my favorite "you need to have something on your legs so you don't stick to the slide." I like to know that she can climb up the play structures and sit with her legs splayed wide, and still be covered. When we change for the wading pool I pull off the shorts under the dress, pull up the suit to her waist, and then take off the dress.

I've never really thought it out about "perverts," it just seems more secure to me as she is getting older. Plus, sooner or later she'll encounter bigger kids who will pressure her about underwear showing and nakedness, and I don't want her to get her feelings hurt about her body. You know how kids of a certain age need to enforce the rules as they see them. Who knows what they'd say to her! This way, she knows what the norm is and she won't have to encounter that sort of teasing.

I guess there is a part of me that would be totally horrified if I thought we were giving anyone any sort of a "sexual" idea about a 4 year old. Keeping her modest helps alleviate that fear.

The other day at library story time, a mother was repeatedly reprimanding her daughter, who looked like a two or perhaps young three year old, for showing her panties while she was sitting listening to the story. The mother interrupted the story several times, and even pulled the child aside to give her a talking-to. I would never take it that far, especially not with such a little one. Better to realize that in reality it truly doesn't matter, and next time put her in clothes that aren't so fussy.
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I like two piece suits because I often put DD in a sunblock shirt... if she has to make shi-shi and is in a wet, long sleeved nylon shirt over a tank suit... forget it. If all I have to do is yank down the bottom half of a bikini, I have some chance of being a responsible pool user!
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My youngest gets naked at about 1 pm. She often runs outside with the big kids- but darn it- I make her wear her robeez shoes if she's going to be running up and down the brick steps! lol.

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My girls don't often run around naked (their choice) but we are naked very comfortably around here. We shower together occasionally (me and the 2 girls) to save time and water and a naked body is not a big deal around here. I think it is sad that our society is so uptight myself. Especially for children! I took dd's bathing suit off at the lake a few weeks ago so I could rinse the ten tons of sand out of her suit and these two girls were snickering and pointing and giggling at her and it irked me -- I assume that nakedness is a secret thing at their home. On the other hand some lady (about 75!) was completely naked at the public pool in the bathrooms right before she got into the shower and my kids didn't think twice about it so I guess they are getting the idea. If you were my neighbors we wouldn't mind your naked kids!!
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Hello everyone, I just wanted to voice 2 points.

#1-- I agree the policeman should have had more tact in asking about the children's nudity and bringing up "perverts", because that can clearly worry a child and bring up issues that may be hard to explain to them.
That being said however, I live in a very big city (L.A.), and here in the urban jungle, a naked kid is not generally a sign of natural parenting. On the contrary, it is more often than not (sadly) a sign of child neglect, and sometimes abuse. My best friend's foster siblings were picked up for that exact reason-- the 2 1/2 yr old girl was running around naked. That led to the discovery of her 1 yr old brother, who had been so neglected that he still had trouble sitting up by himself, couldn't walk and was found clutching a quarter full bottle of already turned milk. My best friend's mom took them in as foster children and while they are now doing better, they still have many many emotional problems due to it (hoarding food, lack of attachment, etc).
So I would have to say that in the bigger scheme of things I would rather a natural-family parent be irritated that their parenting is being questioned than to have a situation like that one not come into the light so that the little ones don't continue to suffer. In a smaller community, a naked kid is probably likely a sign of natural parenting, but maybe the police are given generalized "what to look for" training and perhaps that is why they question child nudity in any community. After all, I don't think that neglect and abuse happens only in large cities, there are bad people everywhere; some seek out less populated areas so they'll have to worry less about witnesses to their acts.

#2-- I respect natural parents' right to raise their children with healthy body images by teaching body acceptance, and going naked within their family units in whatever way is most comfortable to them (backyard, inside only, showering together, etc). I agree that there are alot of social ills that would get better or disappear if, as a society, we all had better views of ourselves, our bodies and their functions.
But I want to say that modesty is also a viable option to many people and is also okay. My ethnic background dictates modesty even among family members. It is one of the values that we brought with us when we came to this country, and is one of the many things that makes up who we (my family and I) are and what we believe in. Whether due to ethnic background, religion, or both, I just wanted to let everyone know that there ARE parents out there who are good parents but don't feel comfortable with running around naked. And that that's Okay.
It just seems that most posts were pro-nudity and I wanted to post a differing point, for those who feel more comfortable with modesty. I have seen my mom a few times in various states of undress (topless, in a bra & undies, catch a glimpse of her bum as she came out of the shower), but probably not completely nude. I have never (nor did i want to, nor do i want to now) see my father naked. But they are still great parents and raised me lovingly and taught me to be a good and kind person.
Just like nudity is okay, modesty is okay too. It is really all about what is right for each family.

There are many ways to raise a happy loving family. And I wanted to represent a point of view that had not been brought up. Thank you

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