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Last night we were in bed (mom, dad, 1.5 yo ds and almost 4 yo dd) and having a safety talk. We have been having the "special parts" talk since much younger, and have always instilled no one but mommy/daddy or she should touch her vulva, bottom, or put anything in her vagina.

We first talked about how grown ups shouldn't ask other grown ups for help and asked her what she would do if someone she didn't know told her they lost their puppy and asked her to help look for it. She said she would tell him that she had to go get her dad and they would all look together. Then I asked her what she would do if someone tried to pick her up and take her away. She said she would hit them and scream. I told her she could bite them and poke their eyes and kick and yell. I told her to say "that's not my daddy/mommy!", "FIRE", etc.

She then said something to the effect of, "if he puts his penis in my mouth/face again I will bite it."

So I said, "no one should ever put their penis near your face. You should never see anyone's penis except dad or evan." Have you seen anyone elses penis? She said she had seen A's penis when he peed in her mouth. (A is a former neighbor). I asked about other people and she said no to everyone else except this man and son.

Dad reacted quite a bit with a surprised and angry face, but I remained matter of fact and put a hand up to dh and reminded him we were just talking and not to react.

I asked her when this happened, and she told me "when I was a baby" (which in bella's mind could be last week). She said she was in the hallway and he came up for work. He was going to try to kill her and she ran in the house and tried to lock the door but he banged on it so she ran into our bedroom and hid in the corner. He came in and his penis was "long long long" and he peed in my mouth.

I asked her where J was (A's wife) and she said downstairs with her kids. Another time she said she was away for the week. I asked her where mommy/daddy/evan were and she said "nowhere".

She started to get very scared and wanted to nurse and hide between dh and I. She kept looking frightfully at our bedroom door. That was the end of last night.

Today, I asked her if she remembered what she told me last night. She did and I asked her if she remembered what color the pee was and she said it was white and gray, not yellow like daddy's pee. I asked her to remind me what A looked like and she did it pretty well. We haven't seen these people since July.

I am having a really hard time piecing this together and determining what is fact and what is fiction. To my recollection there was never a time when she was left alone with this man. Whenver she went down to play, I'm pretty sure both parents were home, and we were always right upstairs. We played regularly with them, had each other over for dinner, etc.

There was a time when J (mom) went out of town for a week, but they were never in my home when I wasn't there. She may have gone down once during this time to play for a short period.

There was also a time when J was away that I was watching her two younger children. Her DS is 3 weeks younger than my dd. At one point, I found my dd and her ds in our bedroom and they were naked. Bella told me they were pretending there was no bathroom and they peed on the floor, she by the door, him in the corner (that was a whole other conversation!).

Having been abused myself, I am near vomitting and collapse about this. I am remaining very calm and matter of fact to her, but inside I am dying. How do I figure this out. What is my next step?

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That is really scary and awful! I don't have any advice. Just a

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I don't know how your relationship is with your ped, but that would be my first phone call. Talk to him/her about it and then hopefully get a referral for a child psychologist.
I would definitely be alarmed.

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I don't know how your relationship is with your ped, but that would be my first phone call. Talk to him/her about it and then hopefully get a referral for a child psychologist.
I would definitely be alarmed.
This. The details she has been able to provide are far too vivid and accurate to be able to brush this off as a bad dream.

I'm so sorry, mama.

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She probably doesn't remember the details correctly. She may be combining several occasions together into one. So, don't take everything she says as factual.

I had a student who was playing the "ooh gross" game with other students. "ooh gross" was a game where they made up gross stories and everyone would say "ooh gross" and then laugh. But when Tom told his story, he said "My Dad put his wiener in my mouth and peed". I jumped right into that converstation... I played "ooh gross' with them. I didn't make it seem like it was wrong, I just wanted to play too. The more he told, the more It became obvious that he was telling at least a partial truth.

When we narrowed the whole story down. (parents, teachers, etc) His teenage cousin molested Tom. (not dad) They went to California for a vacation, and the cousin seemed to like hanging out with Tom. So, nobody gave it a second thought, and even let the cousin give Tom a bath. They were all in a hotel, so Tom and the cousin shared a double bed. The cousin was molesting Tom right in front of the adults, and nobody ever knew.

He gave the same physical details as you daughter. But, he was confused about some of the times and places, and he didn't really want to say it was cousin, so he said it was Dad.
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I am so sorry for you and your child. Please seek a therapist for your family and your daughter. I can't help but wonder if that time you found the 2 kids naked in your room - if HE was hiding in the room somewhere. Seriously consider filing charges against this man. As uncomfortable as that is - he will probably do it again to someone else or his own children. This incident/s will affect her forever, as you already know. It may help her when she is older to know that you all did something about it in a legal sense. If she is given the emotional tools now to make sense of it and heal --- that will allow her to continue to be a child and grow beautifully. Forgive yourself. You can't change the past ... just make sure the future is as bright as can be. I think that there will be healing for you as well through this process. I am so so so sorry this happened. I will keep you guys in positive healing thoughts.
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Hugs to you. With all the details she has given you, I believe this has to be true. She has provided very accurate details to you - I would not doubt anything she has told you. I would probably start with your pediatrician too - they should be able to point you in the right direction. I'm remembering one of the Q&A we had at a safety class last week: Q - If a child comes to you and tells you they were molested/abused, are they telling the truth? A - YES.
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Q - If a child comes to you and tells you they were molested/abused, are they telling the truth? A - YES.




please, call your child's hcp as soon as possible, and please consider pressing charges.
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Remember not to ask too many questions about it (or let anyone else), so that she doesn't get her story any more confused before she can talk to someone who specializes in getting children's statements in case you decide to press charges.
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I'm so sorry to hear about this.

Do you guys have a ped right now who could refer you to someone? I know our neighbor saw a counselor nearby when they had similar issues. I could get that number if you want.

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I don't have any advice, just couldn't read and not post to you mama and your little girl. I'm so so sorry--I'm glad she has you who listens to her & takes care of her.
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You've gotten some good advice. Talk to a doctor and get a referral, both to help you and your daughter work through this and to get the story straight. Also ask if your doctor would recommend a physical exam.

I am so so very sorry this happened.
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oh mama i'm crying for her and you. i am so very sorry that this has happened to her.

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How terrible. I'm so sorry you and your dd are having to deal with this. Hopefully she is young enough that it won't affect her later in life.

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I hope you get to the bottom of this. FWIW, the way you've handled this so far is nothing short of incredible. You're a strong woman! Prayers for you and your daughter...

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I am so sorry this has happened. I will be thinking of your family and your daughter. Stay strong.
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press charges! and i suggest talking to your daughter and getting your conversation on tape just in case she's frightened about talking to others about what has happened.

i'm very sorry u have to go through this.
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I felt horrified and sick to my stomach just reading the details you posted; I can only imagine what you and your dh are going through.

You've done an amazing job communicating about these issues with your dd so she was able to understand and communicate about what happened. Not to mention keeping as calm as you have with your dd so as not to scare her further.

I think you've gotten great advice, and I can't add anything to it, but had to post in support. Please let us know what happens
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I think you need to take your sweet dd to her dr. I also think you need to press charges.
I am so sorry this happened.

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i'm so sorry, but i am so glad that your daughter trusted you and telling you....and it's great that you are listening and trusting her. this is how you protect her and teach her to protect and respect herself.

yes call your ped. yes take this seriously. make sure you find a child psychologist with particular training in this area....better yet if you have a children's hospital nearby they sometimes have staff who will do one single sexual abuse evaluation to prevent multiple questioing and more trauma for your dd. if you choose to involve the authorities that evaluation will be shared with them as evidence. i would also suggest that you and your dh seek some cousneling as well, especially based on your history.

i'm so sorry this went on, but again, the fact that your little one told you is so important.

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I'm so sorry to hear about this.

Do you guys have a ped right now who could refer you to someone? I know our neighbor saw a counselor nearby when they had similar issues. I could get that number if you want.

Call me if you need to talk.
PM me the number. I called our old HCP and am waiting on a call back monday when they get to the office with names and numbers.

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You've gotten some good advice. Talk to a doctor and get a referral, both to help you and your daughter work through this and to get the story straight. Also ask if your doctor would recommend a physical exam.

I am so so very sorry this happened.
I doubt a physical exam would be helpful at this point. As far as I can tell, no one touched her, and this man moved out in July. I guess with the previous posters comment about mixing up cousin and dad or whatever may change my mind. It may have been someone else, right?

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When I read this I felt sick to my stomach and so sorry for your DD and your family. She needs to go to counseling ASAP.

This family needs to be found and charges need to be pressed on the person who did this.

You are being much more calm than I would, I would be dangerously upset(I don't even know what my DH would be like).

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I think a doctors visit would still be in order. If she was in contact with fluids, then she way need to be tested. I feel so horrible to even have to be typing this. I am so sorry.
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After reading the replies here, I went to my dads house to use the phone and call our old HCP. We've been uninsured for a while since DH got laid off in march. We've been seeing them as cash patients, but got state assistance and they don't accept the plans. We have a new HCP, but haven't seen them and I dont' know them. Anyway, the NP on call has seen bella and I, so I was grateful it was someone that knew us. She listened to me and asked a few questions, and said to see a child psychologist next. When I said, I dont' want to freak out and go on the attack to any one person because we don't know if it's true. She said, Trisha... you don't know that it isn't true. IT's wierd because a little while ago, I was wondering if someone could be doing something to her, and he NEVER crossed my radar. DH and I have both read the gift of fear and protecting the gift. I'm dying inside but somehow holding myself together on the outside. I was abused by a family member, a friend of my parents and countless boyfriends inclluding date rape. I have prayed she would be above this, that I would be able to save her from this.

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Having been abused myself, I am near vomitting and collapse about this. I am remaining very calm and matter of fact to her, but inside I am dying. How do I figure this out. What is my next step?
First: . That's it. Lots and lots of because this is waaay not cool.

Next: Therapy. For both of you. Stop questioning her, just get her to therapy and let the therapist handle it.

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Definitely stop questioning her. If you are able to press charges, you don't want to "contaminate" her story. Leave it up to the professionals now.

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Yes; don't bring it up again until you get her linked up with a therapist. I hope you and your family sort this out quickly and get her the help she needs.
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if your child isn't prone to just getting naked with strangers perhaps it was the little boy who coaxed her to undress, which leads me to beleive that the son was also being abused. Little abused kids often act out on other kids because they don't know what is right and wrong.
If it was a one time offense - then I wouldn't make a big deal to you daughter about it. I know that sounds crazy, but often times little kids don't know the difference between bathing together or anything sexual...it's all just nakedness.
I would talk to her doctor (out of earshot of DD). My dear friend was a rape counselor for children and women and said that children heal (physically) from abuse VERY fast that if this incident happened back in July there would be no physical signs.And continue to go over the rules about what do do when a stranger does that...(like you did the night you found out about all this).
I would DEFINITLY let authorities know about this and CHILD services, they may want to pay a visit to this family if it was the father doing the molesting.
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I just couldn't read and not .

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