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Have all of us native american mammas moved to powwows.com? :LOL
I have noticed it is much easier to discuss our issues without feeling like someone else is going to butt in and put us down, kwim?
Must be the cultural differences...Like God Forbid my children have been exposed to second hand smoke when we do our pipe ceremonies
Or share germs by passing the cup of cedar water! :

I keep sage in my car on the dashboard, because I never know when a negative presence will affect me and I feel the need to cleanse my self. I cannot tell you how many ppl have approached me and asked if it was weed : Doesn't even look CLOSE to it, but I guess some ppl just aren't that smart.

Of course, I have been 'mean' a few times and cheerfully handed some over :LOL Share and share alike, right? :LOL

Or visitors to my house who see my pipe and just assume it is used for smoking illegal substances

Well, my family is doing okay. We made it to the Morton Pow-wow, missed LCO, just too hot and with a small one, didn't want to risk heat sickness.

Any moms want to join me in asking the Arena Directors to provide a safe place for us to nurse our babies? Too many times I have found myself having to plop down on the ground in a itty bitty shade to breastfeed
And, sadly, twice I have had young men standing around trying to get a peek at my niinii's
Our community is losing the respect for nursing moms it once had...it really hurts.
When I was younger, about 15, I was sitting and watching the dancers, when a little girl about 2 yo ran up and lifted my shirt and latched on :LOL Yeah, we were both surprised! She must have been so thirsty and just seen a woman with the same color shirt on as her mommy
I miss seeing all the kids :

Now, I just see poor babies in their strollers or carseats with the bottle propped in their mouths while mom and dad dance or visit.
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I have had one weird experience recently while NIP. I was playing in a co-ed baseball tournament and had to nurse my DD during a break. A young man walks by, looks and says "go do that at home". I replied "is that what you do at home?". He was walking away and he laughs and says "give me some doodoo". That's what we call it around here. I said "you wish, ya pervert". Now here's the background on this young man. He has down syndrome, drinks, parties, and talks really offensively. I may have been a little rude, but I didn't care to educate at the moment. There were a lot of people around that didn't seem to care about me NIP, just him. Another guy said that I shouldn't have bothered to say anything to the rude guy.
Have any of you heard any bad remarks from anybody about NIP?
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No, but I have been kicked out of Mystic Lake Casino, twice for NIP :
Once I was in that hallway by the Buffet line, out of sight, blanket and sweatshirt over my babe...I know they saw it on the cameras. The other time I was all the way in the back of that round booth, baby under the table, etc. No way could the general public see what I was doing! Again, those stupid cameras
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"Have all of us native american mammas moved to powwows.com? :LOL
I have noticed it is much easier to discuss our issues without feeling like someone else is going to butt in and put us down, kwim?"

True. :LOL I mostly lurk there. I'm incognito. :

"Must be the cultural differences...Like God Forbid my children have been exposed to second hand smoke when we do our pipe ceremonies
Or share germs by passing the cup of cedar water! : "

I've never had that problem...yet!

"I keep sage in my car on the dashboard, because I never know when a negative presence will affect me and I feel the need to cleanse my self. I cannot tell you how many ppl have approached me and asked if it was weed : Doesn't even look CLOSE to it, but I guess some ppl just aren't that smart.

Of course, I have been 'mean' a few times and cheerfully handed some over :LOL Share and share alike, right? :LOL "

I've heard several people say the smell of the smoke reminds them of weed, but I've never heard anyone ask if the actual sage is weed. Wierd.

"Or visitors to my house who see my pipe and just assume it is used for smoking illegal substances "

Dh HATES when someone asks him if he smokes weed in his "peace pipe". First off, it's not a peace pipe. That's a white man thang. Secondly, tobacco and medicine are all that belong in a cermonial pipe. I wonder why that's so hard for people to grasp? And why do people think that's an okay question to ask when you just met five minutes ago?:LOL

"Well, my family is doing okay. We made it to the Morton Pow-wow, missed LCO, just too hot and with a small one, didn't want to risk heat sickness."

I'm glad you guys are doing well.

"Any moms want to join me in asking the Arena Directors to provide a safe place for us to nurse our babies? Too many times I have found myself having to plop down on the ground in a itty bitty shade to breastfeed "

That's a fantastic idea! In fact, I might just bring my own canopy to the next pow wow and create a "nursing area" of my own. I have some phone calls to make.:

"And, sadly, twice I have had young men standing around trying to get a peek at my niinii's "

EWWWWW. No way. What is WRONG with people?

"Our community is losing the respect for nursing moms it once had...it really hurts.
When I was younger, about 15, I was sitting and watching the dancers, when a little girl about 2 yo ran up and lifted my shirt and latched on :LOL Yeah, we were both surprised! She must have been so thirsty and just seen a woman with the same color shirt on as her mommy
I miss seeing all the kids : "

I've never seen that. Occassionally,I'll see a mother nursing with a blanket draped over her shoulders.

"Now, I just see poor babies in their strollers or carseats with the bottle propped in their mouths while mom and dad dance or visit."

I know! Doesn't it seem like so many Native women don't even bother to nurse? I wonder what is at the core of that? I know all of my dh's cousins ffeed,and they also start solids EARLY. Like at 3 wks.





We're all doing well here. We have a pow wow next month. Also, we start another year of homeschooling. And dh's Dad might be coming for a visit. Looks like August is going to be a busy month. :LOL
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rrr, could you please PM me when you get a chance? I'd love to discuss something with you off this list. Thanks! Don't worry, it's a good thing. :LOL

Update on the AIRF baby baskets (like from 2 yrs ago:LOL): This morning, I spoke with Susie in the donor relations department. She said they would be DELIGHTED to include any information we come up with in their baby baskets. Would you guys still be interested in collaborating on a pamphlet/trifold? Memory refresher: breastfeeding info by Native women for Native women. Any thoughts? Anyone still willing to share pictures for the info?
If you're lost and wondering what AIRF baby baskets are, you can find that info here:
http://www.airc.org/program_babybasket.cfm?ep=3&ec=3
What AIRC is:
http://www.airc.org/
And if you're wondering what the deal is with a pamphlet, read back about 6 or so pages ago. Which was actually two YEARS ago. :LOL
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I also asked Susie at AIRF about sending info for breastfeeding classes. She said the classes were included in the baby basket program. In order to qualify for a baby basket, the mothers-to-be are asked to attend a breastfeeding class. There is a blurb about that on the baby basket page and more on this one:
http://www.airc.org/program_health.cfm?ExpandParent=3

Another project:
Could we spam NA message boards and list-servs with breastfeeding info for World Breastfeeding Week?
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Liitle Bear's Mama - i would love to participate! I tried pm'ing you, but it said your box was full. I have pics that I would be willing to share also.
As for helping write something...maybe ask us some questions and we can answer and then decide what would be useful information to use in the pamphlets?

I would also love to hand out the baskets you are talking about. Or even just pamphlets...it's just sad that so many of our ppl are illiterate, though...I think more pics would be beneficial... kwim?
Or having the MC's bring it to the publics attention...just some thoughts.
I wish I had the space and time to constructively think and take action :LOL
Either way, you have my complete support and willingness to help in any way I can
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Little Bear's Mama, Are you asking any of us Native mamas if we would share a picture? What kind of pictures are you looking for?
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Any kind,Jennbee. Mama and babe,babe,babe nursing,babe in sling,ect...


What things should we have on this pamphlet/info sheet? Basic info? What are your ideas?
Keep in mind these mamas prolly don't have access to a phone, much less internet. Also, many are low literacy.
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Picture of Native mamma breastfeeding and dad looking over shoulder in supportive way, prolly needs to be 'posed', yanno? Maybe even in tradish dance regalia? Or not...hey, how about one in the modern Ecko Red, baggy clothes they wear these days? That would be cool. A mamma nursing and the dad in his baggy clothes being supportive of his 'woman' and child...might work better, kwim?
Maybe a picture of the dad in his baggy clothes throwing the bottle in the garbage? while mom and baby are nursing in background?
This would promote breastfeeding AND promote dads to support breastfeeding...
Show grandma and grandpa smiling while mamma nurses with dad sitting next to her...

I am just trying to think of pictures that would show the more modern day indian, yanno?

Maybe a picture of dad cleaning a mountain of bottles compared to a picture of mom happily nursing with dad by her side?
"right a pic of the urban ghetto with beer cans full of cigg butts and 25 cent chip bags fluttering in the wind and a 1/2 naked native chick on a cell phone with a baby hangin off her tit" Had to add this one from my friend, too funny :LOL :LOL
Not for the rez, but urban indianz, lol! Well, maybe it would work for the rez indianz...

Okay, anyone else have any ideas?
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hi mamas!

i just got a t shirt for my 6 month old that says "got doodoo" - doodooshaboo is the Ojibwe word for milk. i would so love to send a pic of her in it and a little encouragement is all i need - only problem is the *artist* would have to agree.

i was also thinking about a pic of a mama nursing on the bleachers at a pow-wow. i'm not a dancer - so that's where i'm coming from
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hi mamas!

i just got a t shirt for my 6 month old that says "got doodoo" - doodooshaboo is the Ojibwe word for milk. i would so love to send a pic of her in it and a little encouragement is all i need - only problem is the *artist* would have to agree.

i was also thinking about a pic of a mama nursing on the bleachers at a pow-wow. i'm not a dancer - so that's where i'm coming from
i know that our language has tried to be taken from us and we are not always privy to the 'correct' way to say things. My great grandpa was fluent. He always laughed and liked to point out the mistakes made, but he never put ppl down for trying.
doodooshaboo is cow milk...niiniishaboo is momma milk.
And, yes, i can't tell you how many 'arguments' i have been in about this, lol :LOL
Just wanted to share with you all, please do not feel offended or put down. We are all still struggling to reclaim our languages. Even though i am no longer fluent, i still do my best to speak to my children.
Unfortunately, it has, so far, only been males to write our language, and perhaps they did not know themselves, kwim? Or didn't even think about it. Cow's Milk is more common than momma milk or breastfeeding, kwim?
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wanted to add 'omoodayasham' is bottlefeed
'Nooni' is breastfeed.
If we want to be PC about breastfeeding anishinabe babies, we would want to say "Got Niiniishaboo?" ie - "Got Breastmilk?"

'Doodoo' by itself doesn't mean anything and non-natives might think we are referring to poop.
"Got Doodooshaboo" Would be PC if we are comparing to the Cow's Milk ads, but since so many Natives are allergic to dairy, that might not be best to promote, kwim?

Okay, I am done with my little ojibwe language lesson, lol :LOL
should get my butt to bed

Hey, Dakota, Lakota, Nakota moms - I can't remember what breastmilk is...do any of you remember or know?

Or other indigenous ppl? what is your word for breastmilk?
I should run over to powwows.com and ask there...hmmm...
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Sorry to pop in OT, but did any of you mamas have problems with chloasma ("mask of pregnancy") or dark spots popping up on your faces while pregnant? My grandmother (Western Band Cherokee) still has them, 9 kids later...and it appears to be one of the few commonalities I have with my grandmother other than the blood, there certainly isn't a whole lot else...Did yours go away after birth or stick around for life like my grandma's? I am getting them whenever I'm in the sun, and I'm using the strongest sunscreen ever made, I think.
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i know that our language has tried to be taken from us and we are not always privy to the 'correct' way to say things. My great grandpa was fluent. He always laughed and liked to point out the mistakes made, but he never put ppl down for trying.
doodooshaboo is cow milk...niiniishaboo is momma milk.
And, yes, i can't tell you how many 'arguments' i have been in about this, lol :LOL
Just wanted to share with you all, please do not feel offended or put down. We are all still struggling to reclaim our languages. Even though i am no longer fluent, i still do my best to speak to my children.
Unfortunately, it has, so far, only been males to write our language, and perhaps they did not know themselves, kwim? Or didn't even think about it. Cow's Milk is more common than momma milk or breastfeeding, kwim?
Thanks for that one!! We say "nooni'" for breastfeeding and my dd has just decided that my breasts are nooni's too, we haven't gotten around to saying doodooshaboo for milk, because its just nooni' right now, but I'm happy know to have the right word--and I like the way niiniishaboo sounds much better!!
MIIGWECH!
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Or other indigenous ppl? what is your word for breastmilk?
I should run over to powwows.com and ask there...hmmm...
I know Sac and Fox/Meskwaki is close to Anishinaabemowin, and the folks I know who are S&F say nuunuu (sp?).....pretty close to nooni'.....
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'Doodoo' by itself doesn't mean anything and non-natives might think we are referring to poop.
"Got Doodooshaboo" Would be PC if we are comparing to the Cow's Milk ads, but since so many Natives are allergic to dairy, that might not be best to promote, kwim?
Now I learned in an Ojibwe language class (the professor was a white linguist, albeit the most respectful white man I've ever met, but he learned Anishinaabemowin in northern Canada where he lived in a non-English speaking community for several years--but the dialect differences can sometimes be key.....) that breasts are doodooshiimeyag, is that wrong? I don't have my Nichol's Dictionary around at work......
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"breasts are doodooshiimeyag" Yep, that's what we say, too. Or for My breast - indoodooshim
The -ag part is the plural part.
All the kids I know call them Niinii's, though :LOL
Probably from the niiniishaboo and the nooni, easier to just say niinii :LOL

I know that with the introduction of the bottle and formula, a lot of kids now say doodoo's...

Hopefully that will change, again, and become niinii's. It will be nice to have our mothers breastfeeding again.

loraeileen - I am not sure. I know that my belly button and the line that goes down, turns brown and takes a long time to fade....never had discoloring on my face or seen it here...if your grandma had it for life and you are now having them, then it might be for life like your grandma...
I know we have the traditional blue butts :LOL Mongolian spots or something like that. My 9yo still has hers, not as noticable, but still there.
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well i wont think about my little baby t-shirt

good luck!
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well i wont think about my little baby t-shirt

good luck!
I think that since so many of us 'Shinabes thought it was doodooshaboo anyways, you'd get your message across loud and clear!!

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i edited this since it's been about a month and a half.

things are getting better. much better.
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Oh,makawee. I'm so sorry. :

I do understand and I know that was a difficult choice for you to make, especially considering your current circumstances. Take care of yourself...and your babies. Post anytime you need to talk.
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well i wont think about my little baby t-shirt

good luck!
don't feel bad! it is our right to reclaim our languages the best way we know how. Let it be a tool for teaching our ppl the words for Cow milk vs. momma milk. Don't let it get you down, please?
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I've been tempted to post on here, though, of course, I've been weighing the odds of you accepting me :
I'm not First Nations, I'm Metis, my mother is irish/scottish/ummm, okay heinz 57 :LOL , and my father is Cree/Beaver/Blackfoot/french. Does that count?
Both my dh and I have native blood, he's actually treaty(Cree) though neither of us know alot about our Cree hertiage. My dh was adopted by a french/italian couple at birth, so he's a little clueless sometimes .
I was raised on a Metis settlement in Alberta, and actually got a bit of exposure to the Cree culture, in fact, my uncle is a medicine man.
Anyway, I'm the proud mother to a beautiful little girl, named Shekinah. She is our first and probably only child, is absolutely adored, and yes,"spoiled rotten" We are a very AP family, and I believe it is very consistent with native traditions, and culture. I like being an instinctual parent, it makes sense to me, and well, frankly, I'm pretty bull-headed, don't like to be told that I "must" ff, "must" cio, "must" use a stroller, crib, disposable diapers... :LOL its the word "must", its good way to get me to do the absolute opposite!
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neverdoingitagain,

Can I start by asking you this, why do you call yourself Metis? I ask because I don't quite understand the definition of Metis. My DH's mom is not Native, and he doesn't call himself Metis or half-white. He's Anishinabe/or Native.
I've found that most people on this thread are accepting of people who aren't "All Native" or whatever you wanna call it. I hope to hear from you again. And once again, Welcome!
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i'm sorry this is off the current topic.

my man and i are done. i gave him a choice between us and drinking- he chose drinking. we have two kids together and he has two from a previous relationship. he says he wants to "take care of our kids", but it's impossible with his alcohol abuse and all the other crap in his life.

i'm not dealing well. i love him very much. i feel abandoned. to make it harder we're staying with my dad, our apt had a fire, we're all ok, but that's how the breakup started, he was too drunk to come over.

i am having a hard time nursing my 2 yo - i'm short on patience. i want to wean him, but now is a time when he needs me. i need me and i feel so empty.

i appreciate Native Mamas response - i know others would understand - but i feel like i can start here.
That sucks mama....really really sucks. My dd's df and I split up a year ago, and wow, I never knew anything could be so difficult. And its hard to realize that your kiddo's df isn't as invested in your children as you are. I'll pm you if that's okay.....
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Can I start by asking you this, why do you call yourself Metis? I ask because I don't quite understand the definition of Metis. My DH's mom is not Native, and he doesn't call himself Metis or half-white. He's Anishinabe/or Native.
I've found that most people on this thread are accepting of people who aren't "All Native" or whatever you wanna call it. I hope to hear from you again. And once again, Welcome!
The Metis people are a nation of their own...here is a link to a very informative website about who they are and where they came from...Metis People
Another link...Metis history

Hope this helps answer your questions
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neverdoingitagain,

Can I start by asking you this, why do you call yourself Metis? I ask because I don't quite understand the definition of Metis. My DH's mom is not Native, and he doesn't call himself Metis or half-white. He's Anishinabe/or Native.
I've found that most people on this thread are accepting of people who aren't "All Native" or whatever you wanna call it. I hope to hear from you again. And once again, Welcome!
Hi! And thanks for the welcome!
Metis defined as a person with white and first nations blood lines. Technically that includes "half-breeds" but unfortunately, the way the staus system works here, they are actually considered "indians",first nations, and treaty/status natives. I believe to be considered Metis, one has to have at least 1/16 of native blood, though not exactly sure.
Also Metis people do have their own culture and language(Michif, which is considered a creole mix of french and cree)*On a personal note, my grandfather is french, and my father is Metis. When they met, my dad was speaking Michif, and my Grandpa, french. They understood each other pretty well, but they both insisted each was speaking same language :LOL *
In Canada, we have settlements, like the reservations, and we have rights as a seperate culture. I was raised on a Metis settlement and have a membership.
As for your dh, he could be considered treaty/status if he applied for it, and as Metis.
Hope that answers your question! Also, MamaInTheBoonies, thanks for posting those links,and BTW, love the tag line

Okay, now some questions of my own..
What made you decide to raise your children AP, as opposed to current baby-rearing trends?(CIO,FF,disposables,strollers,cribs)
Do you use any of the current tools(cribs,strollers)?
Do you find it harder or easier to be AP because you are native?
Have you ever had someone say you look tribal when you use a sling :LOL
I have more, but I can'tthink of them right now.
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What made you decide to raise your children AP, as opposed to current baby-rearing trends?
I was raised surrounded by mothers who breastfed, co-slept, used cradle boards, etc. So, it was never an issue for me.
For a long time, I thought that was universal. :LOL
My mother, my aunts, every woman in my family used cloth diapers. It wasn't until 2002 that I used disposables because I found I could not afford cloth diapering and the Crisis Nurseries only give out disposables. They do not have cloth, laundry soap, or offer money to launder your own cloth diapers.
I am in the same predicament, now.
A lot of times my baby goes without and I just clean the mess up. I try to catch her when she is pooping and put her over the toilet so there is less mess for me to clean. On the MDC boards, they have a fancy name for that now. Elimination communication. :LOL
I have done that for the last three years because I cannot afford diapers.
The diapers I do get, are usully from the Crisis Nursery, gifts from friends, or the Pregnancy and Birth Center. I try to hold onto them for when we have to go out in public, kwim?

Because of my involvement with CPS, I have a crib, changing table, bottles (collecting dust), formula(also collecting dust), Baby soap/shampoo, etc. Just so when they make their home visits they can'y say I am not doing my best to provide for my children.
All my 'baby stuff' was donated to me from Healthy Start, right before their funding was cut and they had to close. I was fortunate that the lady from Healthy Start made a home visit the same day the social worker was here and she heard the social worker telling me what I needed in my home so that CPS will leave me alone.

I find it is harder to AP because of the way I look. It is automatically assumed that I am another drunk indian mom whose children need to be taken away.
I have never drank or done drugs, so it is really heartbreaking at times to know that is the stereotype through which people see me and other Native moms.
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