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So, how does that work if the husband ais not a believer?

 

Each individual is responsible for their own salvation--but we all have the responsibility of doing all we can to help others (especially our family members and spouses) to live their lives in a way that allows us to return to our Heavenly Father's presence together.  Having a spouse who is not a member of the LDS church can be difficult in many ways.  In order for you to be sealed together, you must both be worthy and willing to do so.  However, you can still do many things on your own without your husband.  With his approval, you can go to the temple and make covenants with the Lord that are essential for salvation--even if he chooses not to do so.  Once again, death is not the end.  We believe that it is possible for people to choose to join our church after they have died and that individuals can be baptized and families can be sealed posthumously.  

 

Again, a few links to explain things better than my feeble attempts can...

https://www.lds.org/ensign/2008/09/questions-and-answers?lang=eng

http://www.ldschurchnews.com/articles/30603/How-to-strengthen-your-marriage-when-your-spouse-is-less-active-or-non-LDS.html

https://www.lds.org/ensign/1990/03/when-your-spouse-isnt-a-member?lang=eng

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Am I reading correctly that the belief is that we had to leave heaven for a bit to be ale to choose good and evil? Also, it talks about being told by God that we will be like him. If that is true, how can that be? It's very clear in the bible that Satan was thrown out of heaven because he wanted to be like God and have all the power that God had. So how can we be given that power if Satan was tossed out of heaven for wanting it and trying to get it.

 

Yes, we believe that we lived with God before coming to the Earth.  We came to the Earth so that we could learn, of our own experience, the difference between good and evil.  Coming to Earth allowed us to progress further than we would be able to had we remained in Heaven.  I remember a teacher once describing it the same way as what happens with children in our families now.  Children are born, are taught by their parents, grow up, and then leave home so that they can "test out their wings" and do things on their own.  Similarly, we were taught and loved in Heaven, and then allowed some room to experience a physical body and all that such a body brings.  Our time on Earth is a period of testing to show how we will use our agency.

 

We believe that Satan was cast out of God's presence because he sought to take away our agency--agency which had already been given to us by our Heavenly Father.  Satan's plan was to force everyone to do what was right and then be given honor because no one was lost.  To contrast, our Savior offered to follow God's plan (each individual has agency to choose what they will do) and give glory to God rather than himself.  

 

Yes, we believe that our Heavenly Father has provided us the opportunity for exaltation.  Exaltation is the kind of life that God lives.  We can become like God.  This does not degrade God, but rather elevates the potential of Man.  Here's a link with a more thorough explanation:  http://www.fairlds.org/authors/fordham-michael/do-we-have-the-potential-to-become-like-god

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How is everyone doing?


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Hi Nursingnaturalmom!  I'm doing great--how are you?  I'm watching a bit of election-coverage on TV this morning.  I'm interested to see how this turns out!

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We are doing well. Woke up to SNOW this morning in Wisconsin :)

 

My kids and I watched the Testaments and I'm feeling such a peace about our decision of attending the LDS church.  However, we haven't let the"cat out of the bag" and there is still so much to learn, but I think we can call this home.

 

Today, since its snowy,we took my oldest daughter to her co op classes this morning, got some math done. Now there are library books all over my living room.  THis afternoon we are going to watch SchoolHouse Rock election video and hang out until its tme for me to go vote and get my daughter from class.

 

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I'm glad to hear that you're feeling peaceful with your decisions.  That's great news!

 

There are lots of LDS videos here if you're looking for some on particular topics...http://www.lds.org/media-library/video

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Nice...Thanks :)


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hey! i've been awol for a while here but just read all the previous posts. glad you're enjoying taking your family to church! i found the children and youth programs soooo awesome growing up. i was one of like 4 LDS kids in my highshool but through the youth program i got to meet and make many LDS friends at dances, conferences etc. I hope your kids are finding friends too! even if they're unsure about being baptized, it must be nice meeting other kids that have similar standards and beliefs as them...?

 

i'm currently meeting with a friend as she learns from the missionaries. the other day, she expressed that she wasn't sure if she'd ever felt God's Spirit before. the missionaries asked he how she felt when she went to church. she replied: calm, peaceful, happy, welcomed, loved. and they assured her that those feelings were manifestations of God's Spirit. i thought that was a really nice thought. 

 

as you pray about the book of Mormon, it's hard to know what equates as an "answer" (at least for me it is). i never hear a voice or see a vision. for me, i know the book of mormon is true and good because when i read from it and live by it's principles, i feel good. i am happier  in my day to day things. it's nothing incredible or amazing...just...right. 

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That is a great way to look at it.  I've come to a pretty big road block with the LDS church and I'm not sure how to proceed.  So, I'm still praying and haven't been to church in a few weeks as I'm traveling and helping my mom who lives alone 3 hours away and just had a total hip replacement.


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Sounds like you've got a lot going on!  Good luck!  hug2.gif

 

If you'd like to share any details about your road block, the ladies on this board may be able to offer some help and insight.  You don't have to share if you don't want to, but we're happy to help if you'd like additional thoughts.  

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Okay Ladies, I need some guidance. Explain to me the idea that Jesus created the world. Genesis and Colossians are pretty cut and dry for me.

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Okay Ladies, I need some guidance. Explain to me the idea that Jesus created the world. Genesis and Colossians are pretty cut and dry for me.
Thoughout most of the Old testiment when it says God did something Jesus was the one that came and did it under the guidence of Heavenly Father. So Heavenly father told Jesus how to create the Earth and then he came down created it and reported back.

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We believe that Jesus Christ created the Earth under the direction of our Heavenly Father.  It was Heavenly Father's idea, plan, design, etc.  He instructed Christ on what to do, Christ did it, and then he returned to report his work to our Heavenly Father.  

 

Here are a few scriptures that help explain:  

 

Mosiah 3:8,  http://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/mosiah/3.8?lang=eng#7

Moses 2:1, http://www.lds.org/scriptures/pgp/moses/2.1?lang=eng#0

Abraham 3:24, http://www.lds.org/scriptures/pgp/abr/3.24?lang=eng#23

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Big even that book of Moses says I God created.....

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The verse in Moses that was mentioned above says, "by mine Only Begotten I created these things."  Our Heavenly Father was the master planner of the creation.  He formulated, planned, etc. and then his Only Begotten, Jesus Christ, carried out the will of the Father to actually accomplish the creation in tandem with our Heavenly Father.  Christ did not create the world of his own accord or by his own plan.  

 

Here's a talk that may help provide further understanding:

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Thank you for the talk, that helped a lot. I can't tell you how peaceful I feel about attending an LDS church . I will admit we have not "outed" ourselves yet to family or friends. But we are happy and understanding the plan God has had for is so much better .

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I'm so happy to hear that you're feeling peaceful about your decisions.  That's great news!  I'm sure that you'll have many more questions--feel free to ask anytime!

 

If I had to choose one word to describe my feelings towards the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, it would be peace.  I don't always know the answers to all my questions, I don't always understand everything, I don't always have perfect faith, but I do always have peace when I'm following its teachings.  It's a peace that I've never found elsewhere.  It feels like home.

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Getting ready to head to church. Happy Sunday!

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Happy Sunday to you too!  My adorable baby niece is receiving a name and a blessing today.  She's a chunk---14 lbs at 2 months old.  Hopefully her white dress fits!

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I just remembered--the First Presidency Christmas Devotional is tonight.  It's always a lovely reminder of the true messages of the Christmas season.  It starts at 6pm in Utah--I think that might make it 7pm for you.  You can see/listen to it here:  http://www.lds.org/broadcasts/languages/christmas-devotional/2012/12?lang=eng

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Our ward had a potluck and then the devotional. We didn't make it, but I plan on listening to it in a little bit . Our ward also has a new church building and it's beautiful. Such a neat service and a wonderful community of believers to worship with.

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Have you had a chance to listen to the devotional yet? We missed it last week but listened to it the other day. Soooo nice!
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Hi there. I don't pop into tribes very often, so I didn't notice this one until now. I'm LDS, too, and also part of the other board that was mentioned earlier. We didn't leave to go there. As far as I know, everyone that's active over there is still active here...we just like having a less public place to discuss certain personal or private things. It's a supplement, not a replacement. Most of the folks that joined that board aren't active on either anymore though.They didn't switch boards. They just don't spend much time on message boards at all anymore.

 

A lot of members really struggle with FHE, and it seems that most don't even try around here. Ours is nowhere as formal as the church suggests. It was when the kids were younger, but it feels more forced and less fun to do it that way, now. We have family prayer, some kind of activity (board game, service project, mini-golf, etc), a planning session (everyone pulls out their calendars and synchs up the next couple weeks, and discusses the past week), and generally some impromptu gospel related discussions during the activity (unless there's something specific someone wants to focus on, then that person leads the discussions). 

 

I completely forgot about the devotional this year. =( Since everyone is going to be stuck at home sick for FHE tomorrow night, maybe that would be a great low energy activity for us. ;)


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I just wanted to pop-in and wish everyone a Happy New Year.  How are things going Nursingnaturalmom?

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Its been a long time, but wanted to come in and update. 5 of my children and I (I have 6) were involved in a serious car accident about 3 weeks ago.  We are praising our Heavenly Father, that we only have bruises and bumps and broken hearts.  Our surburban is totaled.  Aside from that, everything else is going well.  I had made the decision to get baptize and in the last 3 days since that decision, I've had things about your church thrown at me. Things that I am now really struggling with.  The temple oridnaces seem to be not what I thought they were going to be and well i"m struggling.  Life is just really hard right now.

 

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Its been a long time, but wanted to come in and update. 5 of my children and I (I have 6) were involved in a serious car accident about 3 weeks ago.  We are praising our Heavenly Father, that we only have bruises and bumps and broken hearts.  Our surburban is totaled.  Aside from that, everything else is going well.  I had made the decision to get baptize and in the last 3 days since that decision, I've had things about your church thrown at me. Things that I am now really struggling with.  The temple oridnaces seem to be not what I thought they were going to be and well i"m struggling.  Life is just really hard right now.

 

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I am glad you are all ok.    I am sorry that you are struggling with some of the doctorine.  If you want to talk about it some of us on here can probably help you work through it, but I know several people who have joined the church that felt the church was very true, but were not ready to take the next step to the temple after being a member for a year.  I personally love the temple, but it was not all I expected it to be the first time.


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Ya...that's pretty much how it goes. You make the decision to be baptized and suddenly it's like the universe is conspiring to test your resolve. Just like any time you decide to make any really big improvement to your life. *eyeroll* Car accidents, peer pressure, whatever your particular Achilles heal happens to be. Sometimes it works, and sometimes you are able to tune it all out and look into your own heart without distraction. Without all the outside input...from missionaries...from naysayers...from ANYONE but you. When you can look into your SELF (like the church teaches to always pray about everything for our own personal inspiration, not base your belief on what someone else tells you). Does the church FEEL right, in your heart? Not the temple, the church as a whole. Honestly, a lot of members have issues with various aspects of the temple. You don't HAVE to go to the temple, if you don't want to. It's a choice. (a right, privilage, whatever) Pray about that on it's own, and if you don't feel good about it, don't go. Heck, if you don't feel right about the church as a whole, fine. It's not right for every person at every point in their lives. Even if you decide not to join now, it's not like this is a one time chance. It's not now or never, and you shouldn't relent to any outside force that's pushing you to make a decision you're not ready to make. I know a lot of members are very pushy and would be offended at my low pressure attitude, but that's their problem. I do what feels right to me. You do what feels right to you. Take whatever time you need. If you need to back off and come back to this major life decision later, than that's what you need. If you just need to take some time to think about it without outside pressure...also fine.

 

*hugs* This is a frustrating time. Just try to ignore the outside pressures and decide what is right for YOU. ;)


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I'm sorry to hear about your accident Chandi, but so glad to hear that you and your children are safe and recovering well.  

 

Like incorrigable above, I absolutely agree that you (and only you) can make this decision.  Pray, study, read, and sincerely ask Heavenly Father for direction.  I will pray for you to receive an answer as well.

 

In response to your other comments--I chose to go to the temple for the first time about a year ago.  It was purely my own decision--they was no pressure from family, no "need" (such as a mission or marriage), zero pressure from church members, or anything else.  Prior to going, I read everything I could find about the temple.  Then I prayed and no matter what I had read I always felt that the temple was right for me at this time in my life.  I can tell you with all honesty that much of the information online regarding the temple is absolutely false and a large quantity of it is out-dated.  It needlessly worried me.  On the day I went to the temple, Luke 2:19 kept coming to my mind--"But Mary kept all these things, and pondered them in her heart."  The temple is so peaceful.  I have thoroughly enjoyed having a place to go that is truly a refuge from the world and my daily responsibilities.  It has given me additional opportunity for learning, growth, and communication with our Heavenly Father.  Now I wish that I would have gone earlier in my life.

 

There was a recent broadcast from President Uchtdorf about identifying truth, searching for truth, and defending truth.  I found it very insightful.  You can see it here:  https://www.lds.org/broadcasts/ces-devotionals

 

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Temple optional???  Doesn't your doctrine say that to get to the Celestial kingdom you have to be baptized, confirmed and go through the endowment and sealings??????  So, if that is the case how can you go through the endowment and sealings without the temple part??  Then the endowment itself seems a bit odd to me.....and lets not forget the garment.  How in the world am I gonna wear THAT the rest of my life?? lol

 

This is not the first time I've looked into the LDS church. My oldest who is 15 was about 1 or so the last time I looked into  it.


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Take a deep breath. There's more to life and even heaven than the Celestial Kingdom. And the most basic foundation of the LDS faith is personal choice. According to our faith, that's the whole reason we're here. To make choices for ourselves. Yes, the temple is optional. Church attendance is optional. Following the Word of Wisdom is optional. These are choices each member faces as individuals and decides how they want to handle them. The church as an organization can make recommendations, but no one can make you do anything you don't want to do. Honestly, most members outside of Utah barely even think about the temple, let alone visit it with any regularity. 

 

It sounds like you have some strong personal views on the roll the temple should play in your life. That's not the case for everyone, even life long members. The Celestial Kingdom is just a part of heaven, not another name for the whole thing. My mom is not, never has been, and never will be LDS. She'll never set foot in a temple in her life. According to our faith, she's still going to heaven. She just might not make it into the VIP room. It sounds like like you've been listening to some kind of extremists or something. Things just aren't that extreme when you're actually part of it. 


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