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|07-18-2010 06:50 PM|
This is my new favorite site for evidence-based research about alternative treatments. There are over 120 studies linked from PubMed about the power of probiotics!
|03-08-2010 09:13 PM|
|annarose999||bump. it took me two days to find this again!|
|01-23-2010 11:51 PM|
|treehugginhippie||bumping and subbing|
|08-09-2009 06:51 PM|
|06-07-2009 06:13 PM|
My favorite subject.
|01-13-2009 07:31 PM|
|momofmine||Wow, Pat, you rock! Thanks for digging this up! I'll be back tonight to read more.|
|01-13-2009 04:36 PM|
I need to go back, I just thought I'd share our dairy-free probiotic approach. We're dairy-free, have been for a year and a half and probably will be for at least another 2 or 3 years, I'm guessing. I love making fermented vegetables. In fact....
this thread in Traditional Foods is full of great ideas about how to ferment many, many different types of veggies. I like the section on fermented veggies from Nourishing Traditions, but it makes it seem very complicated (and it calls for whey, which is just strange) but this discusses how to really do it and have the ferments turn out.
For now, given that we can't have any dairy, I am starting to look into whether fermented veggies that some cultures have consumed in relatively large volumes (sauerkraut, kimchee, pickles, haven't gotten beyond that yet) could have a comparable effect on regulating the bacterial balance in the gut.
I can say that having kimchee and pickles 2-3x/day (after we'd taken out our allergens, for us gluten and dairy) has had a very nice effect on her poop. It was somewhat pale and falling apart a bit too much (variable depending on other things as well) but it's turned brown and formed and it looks nice.
I found those helpful with the poop situation.
I haven't looked far yet into how much difference, in terms of bacteria, there is between different types of veggie ferments, but for right now, I'm trying to focus on ones we like that have a history of being eaten in volume.
Now I'll go back and read this monster thread. It looks fun.
|01-13-2009 03:37 PM|
Also to add, for those of you asking about what to give young babies, I've always given my 9 mo. old dd a probiotic...natrogen or Jarrowdophilus, or Primadophilus for kids. I don't give more than the suggested amount, but have given due to antibiotics (she's had 2 surgeries), and flu season. Interesting tidbit as well...did you know that about 70% of our immune system is related to our guts? Good reason to take a probiotic.
|01-09-2009 05:51 PM|
|11-30-2008 12:46 PM|
Bumping to read more.
|04-12-2007 12:11 AM|
|04-10-2007 11:55 PM|
|04-10-2007 09:35 PM|
|04-10-2007 01:13 PM|
|04-10-2007 12:00 PM|
I started reading this thread a few weeks ago and was getting excited to make my own yougurt and then figured out that dd is sensitive to dairy. So then I thought I could make water kefir using the Body Ecology kefir starter powder. However, I emailed them and they told me that their starters are cultered on dairy and therefore are obviously not dairy-free.
What are my options for homemade probiotic foods that are dairy-free? and what starter can I use?
Thanks for any help you can give me. I'm eager to get started!
|04-02-2007 11:30 AM|
I started doing kefir about 2 weeks ago. I gave my dd and ds kefir twice since then. My daughter developed a stomach ache 5 days ago. For 2 days it was just stomach ache. Then, she developed a fever and has been doing cold/flu symptoms with a major sore tummy. Is there any chance that I gave her some germ-y kefir?
I had one day where the kefir smelled like acetone. I dumped it, rinsed it and have been kefiring successfully since then. She hasn't eaten it since before that day. My ds is fine and I am fine.
Thanks for helping me figure this out.
|03-31-2007 04:10 PM|
Vitamin A is also excellent at treating viruses (standard measles treatment) get some high vitamin cod liver oil and take a tablespoon yourself, she will get the A thru your milk.
|03-31-2007 04:02 PM|
|03-31-2007 03:57 PM|
I'm also thinking that some of the allergy doctors advice I've come across to supplement babes immediately right after birth with bifidobacterium makes a lot of sense.
|03-29-2007 11:55 AM|
Yet another newbie here with questions.
I would like to give my 5 and 2 yr old probiotics for off and on yeast problems (they got from me.. I have always struggled with it.) They both have loose stools. I would also like something for myself (and I am nursing a 7 mo baby.)
I discovered Three-lac at amazon.com and it intrigues me. Has anyone tried it? It seems so expensive, and I would like to find something that would work for less but I am willing to try three-lac if it's the best.
|03-27-2007 05:17 AM|
After reading this wonderful thread I still have a question- can you believe it?
Is it OK to feed 8 1/2 mo baby with homemade yougurt? She is going through stomach virus and i would love to help her immune system fight it off, it seems she is doing better but then in a few days she starts puking again. She is EBF with just a few solids here and there- nothing big...
|03-12-2007 02:09 PM|
I didn't read through all 25 pages, but I did read something the other night that I did not know and thought was a great tidbit of info:
Your child receives 80-85% of their probiotic bacteria when they pass through the mother's birth canal during natural childbirth. The remaining 15-20% is acquired through the child's environment (soil-based org. in food & natural environment or probiotic supplements, etc.)
WOW! Just one more reason to advocate a natural birth!!
Also, after reading that, I am researching how to really boost up my personal probiotic count and intestinal flora before I give birth to my first this July(or June). I will post a thread soon about it when I know more!! or anyone else knowledgeable about this-let me know!!
|03-12-2007 01:14 PM|
|Lady Lilya||subbing and bumping|
|03-10-2007 01:48 PM|
I get my freeze dried Yogourmet starter at Whole Foods but I've seen it many places online. Lucy's Kitchen Shop for ex. Never had a batch fail.
Natren's starter is in some stores on west coast or online at www.natren.com. I happen to be on a Natren kick right now b/c they have the super strains DDS-1 Acidophilus and LB something or other Bulgaricus.
|03-10-2007 01:45 PM|
Yes, both Yogourmet and Natren are good starters. I've added bifidobacterium or acidophilus or Reuteri separately to my batches for high counts that I couldn't get from pills.
There are Kefir grains that are renewable (and you can eat them too, your own personal probiotic factory!
Yogourmet makes a Kefir powder too but I haven't tried it.
Sauerkraut yes indeed, one of the best for L. Plantarum. Must not be pasteurized. I forget brands, there might be a thread in Traditional Foods, you can start one asking for recs if not.
Get the book "Nourishing Traditions" to learn how to make many different kinds of probiotic foods such as pickled cucumbers and red peppers (my favorite, search on my name for recipe). And why they are good for you, aid digestion, boost immune system, etc.
Fermented ketchup is great too, I just posted a recipe in recent ketchup thread in N&GE forum. Also can make other dairy ferments such as villi or fil mojik (sp?). And fermented beverages such as lacto fermented sodas, kombucha, water kefir, etc. etc. Traditional diets have also included probiotic foods for good health and yummy eating, they have died off in our horribly processed modern food culture.
You are welcome, sorry I didn't see until now! (hope you are around.)
|02-27-2007 04:42 AM|
Holy cow! I just need to sub so that I can remember where this thread is
I'm getting started on dairy and water kefir and will be picking up some kombucha SCOBY this week! Yay!
|12-06-2006 09:21 PM|
|11-22-2006 11:05 PM|
Very informative and eye opening thread, but after reading all the posts, I am totally confused.
Can someone please answer some of my basic questions:
1. From what I understand, we have to make 2 separate yogurts to capture most of the good bacteria. Now where do I buy the yogurt starters? Can you please also give me the specific names?
2. Are the freeze dried starters any good?
3. Is that correct to say we can make about 5 cycles of yogurt (using previous cycle's yogurt) before using the starter again?
4. What is the best milk to use? Pasteurized and Non-homogenized? Can we get it in the store?
5. Apart from Yogurt, what are the other sources I can get the good bacteria. I know this is a difficult question to answer. But if you suggest some products (sauerkraut?)and brand names etc, that will be great.
I know these are too many questions, but answers would help a lot of people like me.
Thank you everyone
|11-20-2006 07:51 PM|
|Pookietooth||Whatever happened to Goodpapa, anyway?|
|11-17-2006 05:04 PM|
24 hour yogurt removes all lactose and has highest bacterial count, see here: http://www.healingcrow.com/ferfun/co...onspiracy.html
The types of bacteria in yogurt cultures and the specific strains are different though than in supplements. I have been adding some super strains to my yogurt mix: Nature's Way Reuteri and Natren's Acidophilus and Bifido factor for this reason. And Natren's Yogurt starter for their super strain of Bulgaricus. I may experiment with Culturelle next. Super strains have been identified to actually live longer, attach to intestinal walls... basically to stick around to do some good better than other versions of certain bacteria.
Goodpapa orginally used several super strains in his yogurt making method and we should learn from that. However, one issue that complicates this is that some strains may crowd out others. Bifidobacterium for example has a tendancy to do this. I do not know how others behave. That Yogourmet multi is interesting b/c it also brings up the point that different bacteria may like different temps too.
2. Yes that looks like a good mix of bacteria but it seems like it must be used with a certain yogurt maker to get the full benefit of all strains?
3. Completely individual depending on needs, current health and desired results. You might want to start slow to be sure it is tolerated well and doesn't shift gut flora so fast.
All of these issues illustrates why kefir is so unique and may be more beneficial for certain people rather than yogurt. Kefir contains both beneficial yeasts and lactobacillus in a symbiotic relationship... they all get along together.
See other posts regarding bifidus and infants.
Supplement with bifidobacterium, avoid all antibiotics and vaccines (you and them), and give no other food than BM if you want the best chance of good flora in your next babe. This is nature's way of sealing up the infant's gut and avoiding reflux/allergies as good gut flora is the gatekeeper of the immature immune system. Even more crucial at that age b/c other immune factors are not developed yet.
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