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|06-21-2010 08:06 PM|
|Peacemamalove||This is shocking and extremely sad|
|06-20-2010 03:09 PM|
|06-20-2010 01:31 PM|
|goodygumdrops||Thanks for posting this film kittywitty. I posted it to my facebook.|
|06-20-2010 11:40 AM|
This is a very graphic movie that discusses how women are being made to feel lesser because of their vaginas. Girls and boys face these issues and neither should have to. It's disturbing and starting to cut off "big clits" at a young age only reinforces this standard of society.
|06-20-2010 11:06 AM|
This is so horrible. I feel sick
What were these parents thinking?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!!!!!!!!!!
|06-20-2010 09:47 AM|
HOLY COW! I too am in absolute shock... it just screams 'abuse!' to me. I Mean, really? Your letting someone touch your *CHILD* and ask if they can 'feel' it? Right. Cause' thats totally neccasarry. At six.
If he wants to do this on adult women, heck, even teenagers, fine. But they had better be fully, 100% informed and consenting. Not little kids. And not w/o fully informed consent. Ugh.
|06-20-2010 09:32 AM|
And this quote sent me into a rage:
|06-20-2010 02:00 AM|
Those of you who are getting so upset should read the actual study.
This is not a doctor is not randomly mutilating little girls just for having a clitoris that is "a little too big." This is a doctor who is treating children who have congenital adrenal hyperplasia and other conditions that cause ambiguous genitalia. Take a look at google images if you'd like to see an example of what children with this condition look like.
Now, I'm not advocating for genital mutilation, so please don't misunderstand. I will readily agree that the support for genital surgery for people with this condition is somewhat mixed. But for those who believe that surgery is a good option, what this doctor is researching is a positive thing. He's doing his best to preserve sensation and sexual function in the patients who have surgery. While the majority of the patients who received the surgery were minors, not all of them were. There are adults who choose to have this surgery, and there are advantages to preserving as much sensation as possible for those who make the choice.
As for the people who are upset about the follow ups, I think there needs to be a little clarification. These girls and women are not being penetrated, they are not being stimulated to climax. They are being touched in different areas and asked to report whether they can feel where they are being touched. The "vibrator" is a biothesiometer, which is a standard neurological medical device used in many different types of applications.
Now, I will say that I'm not a fan of this study. I don't understand why this kind of surgery can't wait until girls are old enough to make their own medical decisions. I do believe there is value in this study (for those who are old enough to give true informed consent), but I disagree with the methods (surgery on girls too young to consent). That said, I think that this has been blown out of proportion and that unfair and sensationalist generalizations have been made.
|06-20-2010 12:37 AM|
I was on the west lawn of the Capitol building in Washington DC today at the 7th annual demonstration on circumcision awareness - held in honor of National Men's Health Week.
I talked about this case and this story. It is amazing the disconnect in our culture between genial cutting of minor children - divided by gender. Any genital alteration of girls evokes pure outrage and abhoration in people. When you try to make a parallel to male genital mutilation, a lot of people don't get it.
I am deeply disturbed by this "study". I am glad it is coming out into mainstream media so that a light can be shone on genital cutting of children - ALL CHILDREN!
|06-19-2010 05:44 PM|
Oh. My. G-d. I can't say anything else for fear of violating the UA.
Horrifying, disgusting, and sick on so many levels.
|06-18-2010 10:19 PM|
Here is the actual study
|06-18-2010 10:00 PM|
|MrsMike||This is so vile. So tragic and vile.|
|06-18-2010 07:23 PM|
Hi and welcome to N&CE!
Please remember that namecalling is not allowed, and to follow the UA when you post. I completely understand the blind rage inspired by this story, but try to err on the side of caution.
|06-18-2010 06:10 PM|
Just a reminder from the UA:
|06-17-2010 08:56 PM|
|06-17-2010 08:49 PM|
|LavenderMae||Pedophilia and genital mutilation. :Puke|
|06-17-2010 08:29 PM|
Two quotes from the article stand out to me as really interesting. I wonder how these can be written about girls, but not about boys.
|06-17-2010 07:54 PM|
and why is this any different from doctors that stimulate erections in baby boys before they cut their genitals to see where to cut?
I wish I could say I'm surprised by this, but they do it to boys, why not girls? Parents allow this to happen to their sons all the time. I'm as appalled by this as I am by what goes on in hospital nurseries all over the country every.single.day. Appalled, but not surprised.
|06-17-2010 07:42 PM|
Money is deceased now, and the entire Hopkins gender reassignment program was pretty much shut down, as far as I can tell, becuase of fallout from the john/joan case.
|06-17-2010 07:30 PM|
|Marsupialmom||You know this is a human failure on many parts -- the parents for agreeing, the scientist and the medical staff that allowed it and didn't do anything.|
|06-17-2010 06:29 PM|
|lookatreestar||wow that is horrifying. how is no one stopping this person? how is it okay for a vibrating object to be anywhere near a minor? just wtf. seriously. :Puke|
|06-17-2010 06:11 PM|
|beckyand3littlemonsters||Not read the article but the title alone makes me want to puke|
|06-17-2010 05:55 PM|
|06-17-2010 05:39 PM|
How do we stop this practise?
|06-17-2010 05:24 PM|
Words fail me...
|06-17-2010 05:13 PM|
Here's another article about it. It includes a link to the actual study, for those as disbelieving as I was.
|06-17-2010 05:06 PM|
|EdnaMarie||Dear God. I can't believe the parents consented.|
|06-17-2010 05:01 PM|
|lynsage||my daughter is five and a half and i could cheerfully take a hatchet to the skull of a doctor who did this to my child. not that it would ever happen because there is no way on earth i would ever consent to it, but still. what is broken in our society and world when the parenting instinct to PROTECT OUR CHILDREN doesn't kick in when a doctor suggests something this sick and insane?|
|06-17-2010 04:46 PM|
|momo7||Who's fault is it really though? It's the parents, because they let him. I find that much worse. Who would let something like this be done to their child ? Who would even APPROVE that it was ok to do? And what kind of medical associations even give approval for this sort of thing? Not just the genital cutting, but of the "stimulation" issue? I just don't understand it, I cannot comprehend the kinds of people that do these things and let them happen.|
|06-17-2010 04:28 PM|
Wait, ...what? So it's illegal when it's for religious reasons, but NOT if it's for cosmetic ones?
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