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10-14-2012 06:30 PM
catnip
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Originally Posted by pek64 View Post

I think the atmosphere surrounding ADHD changed between 1983 and the late 90's, when I was first making my decision to homeschool. There was an attitude of diagnosing any child who was a challenge for the teacher, and a push for medicating, so the school would have an easier time. It was an attitude I dislike. Besides, I had other reasons for choosing homeschooling, as well.

 

Yeah, when I was a kid, I saw a very different picture. When I was in school, no one had ever even HEARD of ADHD. There were 2 other kids  in my class, one who know knows he has ADHD, and one that I am willing to bet did, but were simply labeled 'lazy, willful, troublemaker' and perhaps, worst, just 'bad kids.' And oh boy nellie, did they live up to those labels.

 

Meds can be very bad. They are overused, and sometimes misused. They carry very real risks and ill effects, that are usually glossed over. And, oh, our public school system sort of sucks.

 

My best friend often refers to the science fiction/fantasy fandom community as the world's largest ADHD support group, and frankly, he's not wrong. I learn a lot from talking to other people with the same challenges I have.

10-14-2012 08:37 AM
kathymuggle

Well, I will share my story/decision around ADHD and my son.

 

My son is 16.  He was home-schooled until last year -so 15.   

 

I knew from fairly early on that he was "spacey".  We lovingly referred to him as a space cadet.  

 

I did not seek a diagnosis as he was HSed.  He was Hsed for a variety of reasons - but yeah, one of them was his suspected ADHD.  I did not like what I saw of the schools handling of ADHD.  Almost every child I know with ADHD (and I know a good number - I work in a library and am fairly active in my community) is on ADHD medication.  Those very few who do not medicate  are under a fair amount of pressure from the school system to medicate their child.  As these children enter high school, they are streamed into lower level classes.  Schools in this area have a 90% graduation goal - to achieve that, they put any child with any issues in classes they know they can pass.  I cannot think of one child in academic classes with an official ADHD diagnosis.  Not one.  My son, who is not diagnosed with ADHD, is in academic classes.  Go figure.  He does struggle a bit - particularly with the organisational end of classes, but not with content. We are working on it.  The school does help as well.  

 

So….DS does know he is ADHDish.  It is right - and let's face it, people know they cannot focus or organise as well as others.  We definitely talk about strengths more than limitations in regards to ADHD, but we sure as hell do not deny or brush issues under the rug.  We try to find and utilize tools for ADHD - which is easier said than done as spaciness interferes with intent, sometimes.

 

In any event, I am occasionally jealous of MDC'ers who have wonderful schools who help children greatly with their ADHD.  We have to remember that is not always the case, though.  Every area is different.  In my area the stats I see seem to point to thinking carefully about disclosing ADHD status to the school.  You will be pressured to medicate and your child will be streamed into lower level classes.  Maybe you can avoid this, but you would have to fight, fight, fight.  

10-14-2012 08:02 AM
Sharlla
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Originally Posted by pek64 View Post

I think the atmosphere surrounding ADHD changed between 1983 and the late 90's, when I was first making my decision to homeschool. There was an attitude of diagnosing any child who was a challenge for the teacher, and a push for medicating, so the school would have an easier time. It was an attitude I dislike. Besides, I had other reasons for choosing homeschooling, as well.

oh and they are still doing it.  my friend put her kid in kindy and they practically made it out like he wouldnt be allowed at school without meds.

10-14-2012 03:53 AM
pek64 I think the atmosphere surrounding ADHD changed between 1983 and the late 90's, when I was first making my decision to homeschool. There was an attitude of diagnosing any child who was a challenge for the teacher, and a push for medicating, so the school would have an easier time. It was an attitude I dislike. Besides, I had other reasons for choosing homeschooling, as well.
10-13-2012 10:34 PM
catnip
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Originally Posted by TCMoulton View Post

Lord Voldemort?

ROFL
10-13-2012 09:09 PM
TCMoulton
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Originally Posted by WildKingdom View Post

This just keeps getting better and better.
So, who created AIDS? The Rockefellers? Rothschilds? Illuminati? And why did they create it? To what end?

Lord Voldemort?
10-13-2012 08:16 PM
Louisw
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Originally Posted by WildKingdom View Post

So, who created AIDS?

 

“There are two things about the biological agent field I would like to mention. One is the possibility of technological surprise. Molecular biology is a field that is advancing very rapidly, and eminent biologists believe that within a period of 5 to 10 years it would be possible to produce a synthetic biological agent, an agent that does not naturally exist and for which no natural immunity could have been acquired.” Dr. Donald MacArthur U.S. Military biowar research to Congressmen monitoring US biological weapons development June 9 1969, Note that agent is weaponized mycoplasma

 

“Mycoplasma is the co-factor that alters the human immune system and opens the door for the autoimmune degenerative diseases such as AIDS, Alzheimer’s disease, Bi-Polar Disease, Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, Chronic Fatigue/ Myalgic Encephalomyelitis, Diabetes Type One, Fibromyalgia, Huntington’s disease, Multiple Sclerosis, Parkinson’s disease.” Doctor Harold Clark

 

"According to Dr Shyh-Ching Lo, senior researcher at The Armed Forces Institute of Pathology and one of America’s top mycoplasma researchers, this disease agent causes many illnesses including AIDS, cancer, chronic fatigue syndrome, Crohn’s colitis, Type I diabetes, multiple sclerosis, Parkinson’s disease, Wegener’s disease and collagen-vascular diseases such as rheumatoid arthritis and Alzheimer’s. I have all the official documents to prove that mycoplasma is the disease agent in chronic fatigue syndrome/fibromyalgia as well as in AIDS, multiple sclerosis and many other illnesses."  Donald W. Scott MA

 

"1984 CDC acknowledges that 60% of those receiving the hepatitis vaccine are HIV +."   CDC, Note this is certainly proof something is VERY WRONG

 

May 1987 The Times of London reported on its front page that smallpox vaccine administered by the World Health organization had triggered HIV/AIDS. 100 Million vaccinated Africans are at risk. Areas with highest vaccination rate show highest HIV/AIDS rates. Robert Gallo, discoverer of the HIV/AIDS virus, defends those figures and says, "AIDS researchers will keep their mouths shut because they are paid to do so."

 

1992 Lancet, Journal of the British Medical Association, reports (3/7/92) that the oral polio vaccine used in the mid 1970's to treat recurrent herpes was contaminated with a number of potentially dangerous retroviruses, and may have seeded HIV among Americans'.

 

"There is no question that HIV was introduced into the U.S. male homosexual population via the gay hepatitis B vaccine experiment that took place between 1978 and 1981. My research clearly supports the outbreak of AIDS cases in Los Angeles and San Francisco shortly after the experiment began in those cities. Not surprisingly, the government has refused to release data on the number of AIDS deaths that have occurred in the large group of gay men who initially volunteered for the vaccine experiment."  Dr Alan Cantwell

 

“Numerous doctors have started treating their AIDS patients with either increased amounts of supplemental selenium or the four basic components of glutathione, selenium, glutamine, cysteine and tryptophan, with remarkable results.”   Doctor David Williams

 

“HIV is a harmless passenger virus that has lived in people for centuries.”            Doctor Peter Duesberg PhD

 

Please show me ONE scientific paper where it is DEMONSTRATED that HIV causes AIDS. HIV = AIDS is a MYTH sold to us by the CDC and a man who had a PRIME role in the creation of AIDS Doctor Gallo.
 

10-13-2012 07:07 PM
WildKingdom
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Originally Posted by Louisw View Post

Please show me ONE scientific paper where it is DEMONSTRATED that HIV causes AIDS. HIV = AIDS is a MYTH sold to us by the CDC and a man who had a PRIME role in the creation of AIDS Doctor Gallo.

AIDS certainly exists and is killing people just as it was designed to do.
This just keeps getting better and better.

So, who created AIDS? The Rockefellers? Rothschilds? Illuminati? And why did they create it? To what end?
10-13-2012 06:57 PM
Louisw
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Originally Posted by WildKingdom View Post


Ah. Good old AIDS denialism rears its ugly head yet again.

 

Please show me ONE scientific paper where it is DEMONSTRATED that HIV causes AIDS. HIV = AIDS is a MYTH sold to us by the CDC and a man who had a PRIME role in the creation of AIDS Doctor Gallo.

 

AIDS certainly exists and is killing people just as it was designed to do.

 

Of course I do not deny AIDS exists. I deny HIV causes AIDS because there is NO Proof or even a decent demonstration of facts to support this myth.

10-13-2012 06:35 PM
WildKingdom
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Originally Posted by Louisw View Post

My goodness just look around. Forced drugging is growing stronger by the day. Want to send your child to school VACCINATE; want to keep your job VACCINATE; want to stay in medicine VACCINATE. Want to get an "exemption" go see a doctor.

There are so many deadly scams involving "testing" "DX" and "Medication" it would blow  your mind. My advice is to NOT get tested. This is because a "test" can quickly lead to a "DX" and a "DX" to more or less forced "Medication".

Right now if you have been "tested" for HIV and are found positive you will soon be FORCED to take drugs that will shorten and make miserable your life. HIV does not cause AIDS.

Ah. Good old AIDS denialism rears its ugly head yet again.
10-13-2012 06:28 PM
Louisw
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Originally Posted by pek64 View Post

Perhaps 'mandated' is an exaggeration, but not 'absurd'.

 

My goodness just look around. Forced drugging is growing stronger by the day. Want to send your child to school VACCINATE; want to keep your job VACCINATE; want to stay in medicine VACCINATE. Want to get an "exemption" go see a doctor.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEq95DyPMjI

AIDS certainly exists and is killing people just as it was designed to do.

 

There are so many deadly scams involving "testing" "DX" and "Medication" it would blow  your mind. My advice is to NOT get tested. This is because a "test" can quickly lead to a "DX" and a "DX" to more or less forced "Medication".

 

Right now if you have been "tested" for HIV and are found positive you will soon be FORCED to take drugs that will shorten and make miserable your life. HIV does not IMO cause AIDS.

10-13-2012 06:05 PM
Louisw
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Originally Posted by Sharlla View Post

i agree with this.  there is no way to really DX ADHD.

 

Since we  have demonstrated that "ADHD" can be one of at least three different organic things. How in heavens name can a school nurse dx it.

 

If anyone is to figure out ADHD it is the parents of the child they KNOW AND LOVE so well. I am sure we know the Medical Industry loves NO ONE.

10-13-2012 05:39 PM
Mirzam
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Originally Posted by pek64 View Post

I am glad your experiences were good. Not all are. Some schools and doctors have reputations for pushing hard for medicating. Just like the vaccination stories, where doctors try every intimidation possible, there are ADHD medication intimidation stories. And before anyone simply shrugs it off, if you have not walked in the other person's shoes, don't judge.

My DD's 4th grade teacher was pushing for us to medicate DD. She even expressed that opinion in one of DD's evaluation meetings. The other attendees were squirming in their seats. We flat out refused to consider medication.

10-13-2012 04:54 PM
catnip 1983
10-13-2012 03:46 PM
pek64 Perhaps 'mandated' is an exaggeration, but not 'absurd'.

I wonder what year(s) your diagnosis experiences occurred. Maybe that has something to do with what you experienced.

Also, I've never said you don't have ADHD or shouldn't be medicated.

You, and others here, are doing marvelous jobs of demonstrating the push for diagnosing that occurs in some schools.
10-13-2012 02:23 PM
catnip I am not saying that pressure never happens. I am certainly not saying that medication is even USUALLY appropriate. But to say that it is mandated? That is just absurd. And to say that it is never ever appropriate is the kind of absolute language that is just ridiculous.
10-13-2012 11:00 AM
pek64 I am glad your experiences were good. Not all are. Some schools and doctors have reputations for pushing hard for medicating. Just like the vaccination stories, where doctors try every intimidation possible, there are ADHD medication intimidation stories. And before anyone simply shrugs it off, if you have not walked in the other person's shoes, don't judge.
10-13-2012 10:52 AM
Sharlla
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Originally Posted by Louisw View Post


 

Since ADHD is a syndrome and not a medically diagnosable condition we have absolutely no way to know what organic cause if any is present when someone is LABELED ADHD.

i agree with this.  there is no way to really DX ADHD.  it's 100%  "DX" at the discretion of the dr and what their opinion is.  "oh you do this this and this?  well you must have ADHD then" 

10-13-2012 10:41 AM
Sharlla

i personally have a difficult son and surely if i took him in a dr would be clammering to give him an adhd dx. if we sent him to school here they would be pushing that we medicate him but there is no way that's going to happen.  if he needs meds when he's an adult then he can make that choice for himself but i dont know what kind of damage those meds could cause to his brain. 

10-13-2012 10:14 AM
catnip
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Originally Posted by Louisw View Post

The toxic drugs often more or less "mandated" by an ADHD diagnosis sure can change a child; mostly for the worse.

"Mandated?"

Seriously?

Because that sure wasn't my experience, either personally, where exhaustive eliminative diagnostics, and numerous occupational therapy and diet and lifestyle adjustments were tried before, about 18 months later, a decision was made to medicate.

And my daughter's pediatrician and neuropsych doctor did not even suggest meds for her. Her pediatrician, when I asked for the neuropsych referral, did bring up drugs, but only to remind me of the risks of using them (not really necessary, I was never looking to medicate, just hoping to qualify for disabled student services).

This isn't freaking Yahoo or BabyCenter, folks. I don't think that any parent that frequents these boards is the type to blindly decide to medicate their kid without carefully weighing the risks versus the benefits.
10-13-2012 10:08 AM
pek64 Ritalin has also been given to leukemia patients to make it so they will tolerate higher chemo doses.

Edited for typo.
10-13-2012 07:13 AM
Mirzam
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Originally Posted by pek64 View Post

It is true that a diagnosis does not change the child. It does, however, often change how others *view* the child. In my situation, I felt it was important to prevent a diagnosis. I prefer not to discuss details, so please do not ask.

 

I totally respect your decision. I actually regret having my eldest evaluated (only by the school) for ADD. It turned out that they didn't give her the label which I am happy about. She did/does have some difficulties focusing but has learned techniques that help her function in the world (she's now 22). She certainly never needed or needs to be medicated.

10-13-2012 01:14 AM
Louisw
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Originally Posted by kathymuggle View Post
Fwiw, mercury is found in some flu shots used on adult pregnant women.  In my opinion, it is more prudent to ask for a shot that does not contain mercury  if you choose to get vaccinated for the flu while pregnant.

 

The "seasonal flu vaccination" has proven to be totally WORTHLESS at preventing or mitigating the flu. You are taking all the risk for no reward.

 

If you but take a little time the following will be demonstrated.

 

  • The CDC has CONTINUOUSLY overstated the mortality of seasonal influenza often by over 100 fold. They are NOW saying they have no idea how many die from the seasonal flu. We know it is less than 700/year for MOST years, perhaps MUCH less if based on serological results. Honest figures from the UK imply about 300/year die in the USA from nfluenza                                                                                               

    Deaths Due to Respiratory Causes in the UK, 2009 Cause of Death

    Total Deaths

    % of Total

    Pneumonia

    28,152

    40.8

    Chronic Lower Respiratory Disease (mainly bronchitis)

    25,688

    37.2

    Other

    15,103

    21.9

    Influenza

    31

    0.04

    Total

    68,974

    100

    Source: UK Office of National Statistics

  • The CDC has presented a model of the seasonal flu that it totally at odds with the evidence. The CDC is pretending they do not know what is causing the flu. They KNOW. At all levels the "Seasonal Flu" information given us by HHS is egregiously incorrect.

  • 86% of the time during "flu season" when you come down with "flu symptoms" it is NOT from the influenza A or B virus but by some other virus.

  • The "flu vaccine" only sometimes, in theory, "protects" against influenza A and B viruses. Thus even in theory the "flu vaccine" cannot "protect" you from 86% of flu episodes.

  • Honest examination of "flu vaccine" testing has found the "seasonal flu vaccine" to be completely and  totally WORTHLESS when corrected for testing biases. Honest independent testing shows "benefits" negative or too low to measure with any confidence

  • The "seasonal flu" and more importantly all viral flu is caused primarily by the seasonal low in our vitamin D levels. Thus the "cure" for seasonal flu and all viral flu is sunshine and vitamin D.

  • Almost all forms of the "flu vaccination" contain the extremely neurodegenerative mercury most often 25 mcg. All forms include the exceedingly toxic IMO "H1N1 vaccine"

10-13-2012 01:04 AM
Louisw
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Originally Posted by pek64 View Post

It is true that a diagnosis does not change the child.

 

The toxic drugs often more or less "mandated" by an ADHD diagnosis sure can change a child; mostly for the worse.

10-13-2012 01:02 AM
Louisw

"There is a frightening new trend in the medical community: prescribing psychoactive stimulant medication to children from low-income families to boost their academic performance.To be more clear, doctors are actually prescribing ADHD drugs to students who are academically struggling. Here’s the kicker: the kids don’t have attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD)."

 

http://www.activistpost.com/2012/10/adhd-drugs-prescribed-to-all.html

 

So now we see the ADHD scam expanded to include those without ADHD.

 

Where will this drugging insanity end?

 

Only we can end it by refusing all toxic drugs.
 

10-12-2012 05:30 PM
pek64 It is true that a diagnosis does not change the child. It does, however, often change how others *view* the child. In my situation, I felt it was important to prevent a diagnosis. I prefer not to discuss details, so please do not ask.
10-12-2012 05:08 PM
Louisw
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Originally Posted by catnip View Post

The 'ADHD label' does not change who a child is. It does not mean that they must have drugs.

 

Often sadly it does mean a LOT of pressure to take drugs. Clearly a A brain "rewired" from conception.or A high spirited or "disruptive" child should IMO NEVER be put on toxic drugs.

 

"A new study reveals that healthy kids who take Ritalin have a whopping 500 percent greater risk of sudden death. These aren’t kids with pre-existing heart conditions. The results would have been worse if they were included. The same study that found Ritalin stunts kids’ growth also found that it has no beneficial effect on behavior over a three-year period.”    Doctor Al Sears MD, Note most schools receive about 1000 dollars/year for each student they can snare into the drug program

 

"Omega 3 fats DHA and EPA are essential for brain function. In fact 60 percent of the brain consists of DHA. A lack of t these fats is strongly associated with ADHD as well as eczema and immune deficiency." Doctor Mark Hyman MD

 

“Several studies have found that most children with ADHD have deficiencies of certain minerals that are commonly depleted by exposure to toxic metals, such as magnesium and zinc, and most show significant improvement after supplementation with these minerals. Magnesium is the most common significant mineral deficiency among ADHD children, but zinc is commonly deficient among children with ADHD and disruptive behavior disorder.”  Bernard Windham

 

“About 81% of the children in the US are believed to be not getting the RDI of zinc!” CDC

“Sugar can cause hyperactivity, anxiety, difficulty concentrating, and crankiness in children. Goldman J et al

 

“Children on low-fat diets suffer from growth problems, failure to thrive & learning disabilities.” Food Chem News 10/3/94

 

“In an analysis of over 160 studies the omega 3 EFAs DHA and EPA along with ALA and folic acid emerged as significant dietary  compounds to enhance learning and memory and prevent mental disorders.” Life Extension

 

"Partially digested dairy and wheat particles are found in the urine of severely depressed patients as well as children with autism and ADHD." Doctor Mark Hyman

 

"Children were 2.5 times more likely to have attention problems that were “clinically significant” if their mothers were among those highest exposed to phthalates, the study found. The types of behavior that increased are found in children with Attention deficit Hyperactivity Disorder and other so-called disruptive behavior disorders."   Chemical Exposure Linked to Attention Deficit Disorder in Children

 

"My approach is simple the first step is to take out the bad stuff irritating you; the second step is to add the good stuff you need to thrive." Doctor Mark Hyman MD

 

“Thousands of children put on psychiatric drugs are simply smart. These students are bored to tears, and people who are bored fidget, wiggle, scratch, stretch, and (especially if they are boys) start looking for ways to get into trouble.” Dr. Sydney Walker, author of The Hyperactivity Hoax

 

“Child psychiatrists are one of the most dangerous enemies not only of children but also of adults. They must be abolished.”  Doctor Thomas Szasz Professor of Psychiatry

 

“I practiced neurology and psychiatry for 30 years, but found to my chagrin that it was largely a huge fraud, despite the fact that most of the doctors I met had the best intentions. They were simply brain-washed.” Doctor Alan Greenberg

10-12-2012 10:58 AM
catnip See, where you say this:
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We homeschool, partly so I could avoid my son being diagnosed with ADHD.
it seems a logical inference that an ADHD diagnosis is something that you would go to a rather significant amount of trouble to avoid. That's what I'm having trouble understanding. The 'ADHD label' does not change who a child is. It does not mean that they must have drugs. It offers insight and an explanation for a number of differences and problems that the person with ADHD has.
10-12-2012 10:19 AM
kathymuggle

Another article on the link between mercury and ADHD:

http://archpedi.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1377487

 

Fwiw, mercury is found in some flu shots used on adult pregnant women.  In my opinion, it is more prudent to ask for a shot that does not contain mercury  if you choose to get vaccinated for the flu while pregnant.

10-11-2012 03:19 PM
pek64 If a need arises, a diagnosis can still be obtained. It's not like after a certain age one can't go to doctors anymore. So far, there has been no need.
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