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|11-01-2005 09:11 PM|
C'mon over to November's thread:
|11-01-2005 09:02 PM|
|JaneS||Oh and forgot to mention my latest breakfast idea: baked butternut squash with yogurt, honey and spices|
|11-01-2005 09:00 PM|
I have seen other people say that almonds were a problem for them or their kids too and they use cashews or pecans. You can just grind the nuts up in a blender or food processor into flour meal. Then add the recipe ingredients and continue to process into finer bits.
RE: psychological effects of food limiting
I worry about my DS too, but he seems to take it in stride now. He knows some food is his and other food is for other people. We've had a hard time at playgroup, I felt somewhat ostracized since most of the moms gave their kids whatever, and I do mean whatever! Until one just got dx with celiac disease, so now we all bring our own food. It's so common these days, I don't think your child will be the only one. Plus, there will be other issues that you as a family will not do... it's all part of growing up really and respecting and learning the choices your parents make for you.
Hey, I'm already worried about DS going away to college and eating crap!! I'm seriously fantasizing about steps I will take such as shipping him raw milk and healthy snacks... and then he'd have to live off campus so he could have a full size frig... etc. etc.
But then I think thank goodness he is not celiac, it could be much worse. At least he has the potential to be healed. Can you imagine a celiac in college ... pizza party central?? UGH.
|11-01-2005 07:28 PM|
|11-01-2005 07:20 PM|
Thanks for your help, Amanda, Jane and Loon. I'll look into those pecan bread pages some more. I remember seeing baked goods made from Almonds . . . sigh, I can't eat that either, my throat get itchy.
So if milk (I can't get raw here) and eggs are also allergens for me, what are you all eating for breakfast?
We just went to a halloween party last night with other toddlers and ds (2.5 yrs) tends to go nuts on the snacks: there were cheesies and homemade sugar cookies (the normal kind). He sees these foods and wants to consume en mass. I decided that the cheesies were the worst of the two (esp. since I'm allergic to corn). So I let him have the cookies, which he proceeded to eat 1/2 a dozen of. I feel I do have to limit him, and he did ask to eat a cheesie. He already knows there are some foods we do not eat. I am of course worried how this limitation will afffect him psychologically. ..
|11-01-2005 10:40 AM|
although I've been noticing increased gas and reflux in my dd. I wonder if it is the cod liver oil? the mint has lemon oil in it? But, she has had such a wierd diet the last few days adn me lots of sugar. I will figure it out eventually. So I would recommend the cinnamon i guess, but don't know if that has lemon oil or not.
I just checked out the website and they don't have the labels for all of them anymore, so you could call them and ask what is all in the cinnamon flavor.
|11-01-2005 02:07 AM|
But for myself personally, I'm starting to wonder if the "full" feeling is a bit of bloating for me, because my when I don't have the grains, I feel less "stuffed". My body feels more "streamlined". If that makes sense.
Anyway, I have read from some of the SCD lists that for some, the hunger was a bother in the beginning but then stabilized. I think that is why Elaine advises no quantity limits on the intro diet, just to eat when hungry.
Also, I remember reading on Dr. Mercola's site that it can take a bit of time for your insulin levels to stabilize when cutting down on grains. Maybe hunger is a side effect of that, too? Maybe that is what happend for the other SCD folks for whom the hunger eventually abated?
Here's the link and quote from the Mercola site:link (middle of page)
Of course, I find grains very addictive so either way is hard for me. I love rice and pasta but I have found that since I have cut wayyyyy down, that the less I have it, the less I want it.
Keep in mind that based on the science of the SCD diet, it states it must be followed 100% for healing to happen. But, unless you are having severe gastrointestinal distress (such as Crohn's, IBS, etc.), in which case sticking to the diet immediately should help provide relief, I don't see why you couldn't just gradually cut down on grains.
I am still working on finding SCD recipes that the whole family likes. Once I get a bunch of those together, I hope it will be easier and easier for us to make the last leap.
And finally, this thought popped into my head. IMHO I think any diet benefits from an increase in fruits and vegetables rather than an increase in either grains or proteins I find most people tend to focus on one or the other, rather than the fruits or veggies, when changing their diets. My twocents
|10-31-2005 09:55 PM|
If you do have yeast, it is recommended you limit honey and fruit at first.. however, if you follow the SCD diet's premise... that fruit and honey do not require digestion by the intestinal cells, the sugar is not going to the gut, it's being directly absorbed into the bloodstream. The bloodstream is NOT where the colony of yeast live, your gut is. See here:
All I know is that I am VERY sensitive to sugar and whole grains... I used to react immediately with gas and bloating...had tons of thrush while bf'ing... and the SCD diet has been amazing. I have seen it work myself.
This is what the author has to say about allergies
The book explains more about how the food are digested and why it's carb that are the problem, because if not fully digested, they ferment and damage the gut, the protein foods do not. Of course whether a person's gut is so damaged as to not even be able to digest milk and eggs is another story but I like the SCD b/c it's clinically tested, it's not hearsay. It's for the most damaged guts there are: Crohn's, colitis, celiac, etc.
The reason why Pecanbread touts a dairy free SCD is for ASD kids which reacts to casein protein like it's an opiate.
I really know nothing about allergy testing since I knew my and my DS's intestinal flora was out of balance and that was the main cause. I spent over a year on Elimination/Rotation Diets and they fixed nothing.
Anemia can be caused by a damaged gut in the first place... the nutrients are not being absorbed so I'm not sure you can hang it on that ND's theory. There are also many causes of cancer, and I know improper nutrition is one of them.
|10-31-2005 09:08 PM|
I can tell you from my experience that I do better without any kind of grains. I am not really concerned about my diet being low-carb. I eat a lot of vegetables and fruit now and then. I've tried various grains like quinoa and millet, sprouted or soaked, and have finally decided, much to my disappointment, that I do better without.
On cravings, they work both ways. I just ate three bowls of crab bisque and am going to head back for more. But I have found that it has taken getting the diet in order to trust the cravings as something to follow rather than to avoid.
|10-31-2005 07:29 PM|
I have a question about going grain free. I've read the pecan bread site, but it didn't have all the info. I need. So what carbs are legal?
We have found that we are hungry if we don't eat carbs with a meal. We generally stick to millet and quinoa, and amaranth or oatmeal for breakfast.
I totally dont understand why super ripe bananas and honey will not feed yeast. If I eat a ripe banana on its own, I feel a sugar rush afterwards.
I have also heard that not eating carbs will make you anemic, as discovered by an ND who used to promote seperating carbs and protein, and he found that if people stuck to the diet for some time, they did not resolve their (digestive) health problems, and some were worse. A couple even develped cancer while on his diet.
Oh yeah, I almost forgot. I also do not understand the milk and egg promotion. All the NDs I've seen say these are the highest allergens and to avoid them. I've had vega and blood allergy testing and both of these proteins are a problem for me. I wonder if ds is allergic to them too because he craves cheese and eggs, and from what I've read and what the ND told me, if you crave it (like sugar) you're probably addicted=allergic to it.
So, I'm now super confused!
Thanks for all your help!
|10-31-2005 01:05 PM|
|Pookietooth||Jess, could DS be reacting to the carrots or other veggies in the broth?|
|10-31-2005 06:29 AM|
|mlleoiseau||artisticat--where do you buy the Green Pasture's cod liver oil? I googled it but couldn't find any sites. I want dd to have cod liver oil, but I haven't found one yet she does well with.|
|10-31-2005 05:55 AM|
JaneS We're currently avoiding dairy, wheat, eggs, soy, corn, nuts, peas, spinach, lentils, black beans, strawberries, and seafood. The allergy testing she had (RAST) showed allergies to dairy and wheat. She has behavior issues when she has corn. And the peas, spinach, lentils, black beans were diarrhea and/or eczema flares. The eggs, soy, nuts, strawberries and seafood are things the allergist wants us to avoid on principal. I really miss nuts, but I'd feel better having allergy testing done before I try giving them to her. I'll ask for that in January.
Packing food in bowls to eat in the car sounds like an idea. Thanks.
|10-30-2005 11:17 PM|
Let us know how the appt. goes!
|10-30-2005 11:13 PM|
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Congratulations, you absolutely deserve it b/c you have been on a such a long road. You made my evening.
|10-30-2005 11:10 PM|
Ah yes, your DS, my son's twin...
Get ahold of Karen DeFelice's book on enzymes and read her site:
You can heal the gut using enzymes too. Her interest started when she helped both her sons with ASD heal with enzymes. It will be expensive and you will probably have to experiment, but there is some great knowledge in that book on leaky gut.
Look up that stool test, it will be helpful to know exactly what to target.
|10-30-2005 11:05 PM|
Hope you are doing much better tomorrow
|10-30-2005 11:03 PM|
None of this is covered in the book that I remember.
Die off... my symptoms were generally feeling like crap, headaches, diarrhea several times/day, stomach hurt, a little dizziness. But I really haven't had much of it, I just got better slowly. Which was frustrating but I guess better for the body.
|10-30-2005 10:57 PM|
How I started was getting some recipes from my mom for childhood meals that I missed. First chicken and fish b/c that was the least offensive too. Red meat and ham/pork was much harder. Sausage was the worst! :LOL Ex. I did crave linguica, the Portuguese sausage, which is very lean. I began with a lot of dishes with just bits of meat in them.
That is SO WEIRD re: the broth. Am I dreaming or did someone else say this not long ago in this thread? Or last month's? And someone wondered if MSG or some other preservative could be in the bones b/c they were from a regular supermarket, does that ring any bells?
I do not understand allergies at all, but certainly be cautious and don't give more if you observe this. I'm sorry the stock he had this reaction! that sucks b/c it takes so long to make! Maybe you could try lamb which is supposed to be the least allergenic meat.
I found this re: wines
but I don't know if they put the sugar code on the bottle? Or what constitutes "very dry".
A little more info, not much help though http://www.scdiet.org/7archives/scd010_1.html#wine
|10-30-2005 10:44 PM|
What are you avoiding? Breakfast for us is fruit, eggs, almond or other nut bread/pancakes/waffles/muffins.
My guy eats in the car a lot (we tend to go out in the morning and he needs a snack when we are done hiking or park or whatever). I just pack a lot of things in our mini cooler in little bowls, pretty much whatever he eats at home and just clean up the car afterwards :LOL
|10-30-2005 10:31 PM|
just checking in real quick. doing very, very crappy here. Have been on a sugar binge and seems that my body is thanking me with a yeast infection! Trying to go off of it again, but not having much luck. I have went from enraged to depressed. I know it is the sugar, but cannot stop. Have to get over this funk. Luke has been paying as well for my eating, blood in his stools. Tuesday we see the ND, so still trying to do better again...
good to see all the new and old faces around here!
|10-30-2005 05:23 PM|
|Panserbjorne||Hi all. I have such limited access to internet, it's amazing how many people are healing their guts now! Jess, I have info for you, so I'm just going to call you. We are going strong still. I have not been able to reintroduce allergenic foods to my kiddos yet, but I have been able to "cheat" a bit with digestive enzymes. Houston Neutraceuticals is the company we use and I can tell you they are AMAZING. Jane has posted about this before, but I have to second it. I have very overt GI symptoms and could tell if I have been affected at all, and I can honestly say that we are OK. The enzymes are great because they not only help you body process the food better, but they speed gut healing. I can't believe what a difference I'm seeing. It's funny, I feel so great on the SCD that when I say cheat I actually mean that I have added back refried beans, and used commercial yogurt in a pinch. There isn't any reason for us to deviate otherwise, we are all better off without grains (and this from a true addict.) I have no intention of adding grains back to our diet, even with the enzymes for at least another year or so. Quillian is still unable to have dairy or eggs, so Jess, I feel your pain. Selkie is coming along quite nicely and I feel fantastic. I've been on the diet since september and have lost over 50 pounds. My GI symptoms are gone. I hope that all of you find the relief that I have.|
|10-30-2005 04:58 PM|
continued healing help needed.....
i posted an intro a few pages back. ds has tons and tons of allergies, had pretty bad reflux, has some general intestinal issues still, but the major symptom is that he has a horrible time falling asleep, relaxing, soothing himself, and sleeping enough in general.
i've read a lot of the thread and checked out some basic info on the scd diet. he did have a stool test but i don't have the results handy -- thanks for asking, though, jane, and i will try to hunt them down. he's on probiotics and flax oil right now. we also try to limit as much as possible his tons of allergens.
in terms of scd, though, i'm wondering if there's a way to heal the gut without doing that. i don't think ds will eat hardly anything that he could on that diet. he's super picky on top of all of this. the sleep is only getting worse and we need to try something new, but i'm wondering what other adjustments we might be able to make to address these problems.
|10-30-2005 02:42 PM|
like right now i started feeling pretty bad yesterday and just chalked it up to the extremely rough week/sleep deprivation. this morning (day 3) i woke up after 9 hours in bed (although very interrupted sleep) and practically passed out in the shower. i had to sit down and when i finally got out i had to sit for another 15 minutes before i could get dressed. i thought i was going to have to cancel lessons for this morning because i felt like i'd been hit by a truck. but then i ate a couple bananas (finally ripe enough!!!) and realized it was turn back the clock day and crawled back into bed for 45 minutes. i felt a little better after that and was thinking maybe i was catching what the babies had but then on the way home i had a moment and i realized it was most likely die off. i still feel bleh, but this insight has me feeling better about it and like this is actually helping despite not being able to follow the intro diet as outlined. max's face is a little clearer today too, so i'm pretty hopeful.
|10-30-2005 11:40 AM|
OK, got my book and am currently trying to read it...(Difficult with two small children) and I have some questions...they might be answered somewhere int he book, but I haven't gotten there if they are.
What type of symptoms do some of you have of an injured gut? Is it mostly rashes, and gi upsets? Or do some of you have respiratory problems?
And then what type of die-off symptoms do you have? Same thing? Or what?
Just curious as I'm looking at our family's situation now, and wondering what might be down the road a bit.
|10-30-2005 11:22 AM|
DS and I now have cold/sore throats and are sleeping even less than usual.
Why is it that I'm dead tired and don't even want to move today and he is currently running around outside with Papa?
|10-30-2005 11:18 AM|
They have to be very ripe... with lots of black spots. This means all the sugars have been converted to monosaccharides and it will be easy to digest. Otherwise, unripened bananas are one of the most difficult things to digest.
Have you tried barely cooked scrambled egg yolk instead of hard boiled? (or vice versa)
:LOL on sauerkraut!!
We have issues with food out and about too. Usually I try to make SCD almond flour/fruit muffins or cookies (with less honey than usual) for DS. It used to be fruit was our staple, get the kid some grapes or mandarin oranges (Roland brand is packed only in water) or some pineapple (fresh or canned) or any of Columbia's organic canned fruit which is packed in pear juice http://www.columbiagorgeorganic.com/canned.html
and he is happy as a clam.
However, he is not tolerating any of those things right now and I'm losing my mind.
|10-30-2005 11:10 AM|
I think once your intestinal flora is back in balance and your villi (that help produce some key digestive enzymes) have regrown, it's not like a virus will set you back a great deal.
And I don't see why starting the diet won't help, of course unless you get massive die off.
So I really haven't answered any of your questions have I...
It's really hard to predict an individual's reaction, positive or negative.
|10-29-2005 09:16 PM|
So I made my chicken and stock and yogurt. Yea for me. But then I cheated so bad today (found a box of cheese crackers--which is mine and now dd's favorite bad food). Telling myself I can't have stuff just makes me go crazy for it. Gotta work on that
Pookietooth re:"Can you taste the rosemary oil? I think ds would have a problem with it, not being one to like strong flavors."
no I can only taste the mint, the cinnamon is way better though. And neither made me burp or have fish breath that I noticed any time after like the orange did.
Ok, so I am really really going to try and do this diet for real starting Tuesday (I already know Halloween will be a bad day ) What do you all eat for snacks yourself. Lately I am a big snacker adn I need something to take the place of those cheese crackers, or toast with honey, and all that stuff I am not supposed to eat. Right now all I have is carrots and nuts. Maybe I need to make some nut butter.
|10-29-2005 09:06 PM|
i'm not usually vegan, but some of max's bloodwork came back as reactive to cow's milk, so i've been avoiding it. i think it was the IgE, definately not the bloodprint. but that's why i've been avoiding it and why i added back some seafood/fish. i go through phases of not being able to stomach any dead animals and tolerating seafood/fish. since it's not completely turning my stomach, i'm fine with it (i'm not a militant vegetarian normally, i actually feel meat is part of what we're supposed to eat, i just can't bring myself to do it most of the time).
soooo, i gave max a little more chicken today and watched closely and there was no reaction. then i gave him a little more of the stock, and he started cratching immediately. the chicken i gave him was the same i used to make the stock with so this is pretty puzzling to me. any thoughts?
and one more question, how do you know which wines are legal? i know it says extra dry and has the scale, but wines aren't really labeled in a way you can tell by looking at the bottle.
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