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04-27-2009 08:03 AM
veganf 5yo definitely has the pox!
I updated in another thread with our "visiting hours".
04-26-2009 07:48 PM
veganf We may be starting the final round here as well...5yo has had 1 spot on his face since friday afternoon that I thought was just a bug bite, but now it's raised and he's just spiked a fever this afternoon, right about when I was expecting.
04-26-2009 12:36 PM
mumm We are on round two here. The baby sprouted a couple blisters this morning. We normally have playgroup at our house on Monday mornings so if anyone wants to come and play we'd love the company!
04-25-2009 09:50 PM
babynatasha Hey All, it is looking like we have CP here in Kingston, NH, I will know for sure tomorrow AM. I will start a new thread.
04-21-2009 08:16 PM
dmcleary17
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Originally Posted by jessjgh1 View Post
So of if the antibodies are present, you are immune... but if it shows negative, you may or may not be?
That's what I understand it to mean.
This is another way that it was explained on my group, by a woman who got this explanation from a family member who works at the cdc:

"The explanation I got (easily explained) was that chicken pox, like many other viruses, goes into a dormant state at the base of the spine. The body keeps it in check with it's "immunity". This happens with many viruses. Human Pap., Herpes simplex, CP, hepatitis, etc.......

This immunity is measured as a "titer". As a person's body gets older titers wane if they do not come in contact with the virus that they are immune to. Of course we hear of children having shingles, and these are few and far between, and may have other physical factors involved.

Example: Traditionally, extended families lived in one household. You may have generations in one home. But today grandparents have their own homes in other states, and such. When a child is sick with something like CP the older generations do not come in contact with the child. Therefore their immunity is not naturally strengthened by being in contact with the offending virus. A result of that is as the individual gets even older (say the 60's and up range) their immunity (titers) wanes just enough for the virus to take over. It moves out of it's hiding spot and causes what we all know as shingles. I think their may be other additional factors like physical illness, overall physical and mental health, the ability of the older body to recouperate, and others that science has not discovered.

Now, the problem is........are our children immune if they do not actually get pox blisters. Well, according the science "no they are not immune". Yet we take our kids to Pox party after Pox party and get nothing. So you would have to think that their must be some immunity there. Will this immunity wane during early in adult hood? It might. But the option, according to science, is to vaccinate every 5 years with their vaccine full of chemicals. So the vaccine isn't any better.

I think that if we try to expose our children several times, and they don't get it. Then, we shouldn't worry ourselves too much. After their bodies have done their growing. Our children, as adults, have the option of vaccinating or having their titers checked. Or, if you have a child that is older and willing to have blood drawn. Request that they have titers checked."
04-21-2009 06:20 PM
jessjgh1
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Originally Posted by pollyanna View Post
I went to work last night and everyone seemed concerned about me. one guy said "Are you going to be alright". I had know Idea what they were talking about. Someone at work told everyone that I would get shingles from chicken pox. I had to tell the guy I'm going to be fine and that isn't how you get shingles.

Pollyanna
LOL, imagine telling them that if they don't want to get shingles they should consider re-exposing themselves to chicken pox.

My husband's grandfather is 89, he happens to also be a pediatrician and he was too funny about when we told him Rebecca had the chicken pox. We had been planning on getting together to celebrate Josh's b-day at his home but wanted to be sure everyone was comfortable with the idea and he said, 'ah, that's great, bring them over, it will be good for me to be re-exposed'

Jessica
04-21-2009 06:15 PM
jessjgh1
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Originally Posted by dmcleary17 View Post
Hi all,
Someone on the natural immunity online group that i'm a part of emailed this analogy about titers, etc., that may help us understand what's going on with that:

Years ago, it was explained to me that titers measure the amount of
antibody *currently* circulating in the bloodstream. If the person has
not *recently* been exposed to the virus, he/she might not have any
antibody circulating at that moment.

The analogy is to fire trucks in the streets. Just because there are
no firetrucks circulating on the streets, does *not* mean that you are
unprotected if a fire were to occur. Similarly, just because there is
little or no antibody circulating in the bloodstream does not
necessarily mean that you are not immune.
So of if the antibodies are present, you are immune... but if it shows negative, you may or may not be?
04-21-2009 10:57 AM
dmcleary17 Hi all,
Someone on the natural immunity online group that i'm a part of emailed this analogy about titers, etc., that may help us understand what's going on with that:

Years ago, it was explained to me that titers measure the amount of
antibody *currently* circulating in the bloodstream. If the person has
not *recently* been exposed to the virus, he/she might not have any
antibody circulating at that moment.

The analogy is to fire trucks in the streets. Just because there are
no firetrucks circulating on the streets, does *not* mean that you are
unprotected if a fire were to occur. Similarly, just because there is
little or no antibody circulating in the bloodstream does not
necessarily mean that you are not immune.
04-21-2009 10:29 AM
DaughterOfKali Veganf has started a new thread, for those of you who are interested.
04-21-2009 10:22 AM
babynatasha Ahhh, so no real common start day... hmm... oh well Guess we will just have to keep our fingers crossed through til day 20!
04-20-2009 03:37 PM
veganf My 2 both started on day 16.
04-20-2009 03:08 PM
mandcc96 We started at day 10...runny nose, tons of sneezing and several pink dots.
04-20-2009 03:01 PM
earthgirl
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Originally Posted by babynatasha View Post
Hey all, Just wondering... most of us in the area seem to be working off Jess's original *unknown/wild* exposure. So, what have you found to be the incubation period? I was wondering if the exposure to onset seems to be about the same for everyone or if it really varies by the kid and not the strain. We are @ day 10 post exposure (2nd attempt) and I wondered what other people found the incubation period to be with this strain?
We started with the runny nose at 11 days past, and 2-3 spots on 13 days past. It wasn't until day 15 that I was certain it was chickenpox.
04-20-2009 01:14 PM
DaughterOfKali From everyone that I have heard about, it's been 14 days (after exposure).
04-20-2009 11:28 AM
babynatasha Hey all, Just wondering... most of us in the area seem to be working off Jess's original *unknown/wild* exposure. So, what have you found to be the incubation period? I was wondering if the exposure to onset seems to be about the same for everyone or if it really varies by the kid and not the strain. We are @ day 10 post exposure (2nd attempt) and I wondered what other people found the incubation period to be with this strain?
04-20-2009 08:16 AM
veganf I think we have a false alarm...2yo few spots haven't increased, and they are instantly blistery and clear, and not round...I think it's just a few spots of poison ivy! Poor guy is going to have poison ivy and chicken pox simultaneously next week I bet!
So I'll cancel my visitation invitation for now, but I'm sure it's coming soon...he had a slight fever last night...

And for the person looking for info on the normal progression of cp: http://www.mothering.com/discussions...2#post13558722
04-20-2009 06:31 AM
pollyanna I went to work last night and everyone seemed concerned about me. one guy said "Are you going to be alright". I had know Idea what they were talking about. Someone at work told everyone that I would get shingles from chicken pox. I had to tell the guy I'm going to be fine and that isn't how you get shingles.

Pollyanna
04-19-2009 11:57 PM
PingPong'sMom ...since I know I want to expose dd/avoid the vac, but now that it's upon me, I realized I'm pretty well schooled/have lots of resources on the vac, yet not a ton of info on the natural progression of CP, etc. If you have a link you normally use for this one, I'd love to read it and prep my supplies.

Yeah!!!!
04-19-2009 09:03 PM
veganf Thanks for the anniversary wishes!
And no, my husband rarely ever loses his luggage...except once when his bag missed a connection to Australia and my Hello Kitty duffle bag made it! LOL. He had to go out and buy new underwear at least, since they only run that flight once every 24 hours.
He usually flies Delta (or some international airline owned by Delta like Air France), sometimes USAirways or United, occasionally JetBlue. But we like our Delta frequent flier miles.

Oh, and I'm waiting to see more spots tomorrow for 2yo...just want to be sure it's not poison ivy!
04-19-2009 06:50 PM
DaughterOfKali
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Anyhow...tomorrow is our anniversary, and we're going out to lunch..
Happy Anniversary!
04-19-2009 06:05 PM
mumm But really it could be day 10 for him right? Counting from 2 days before your kids had spots. Plus I think they count up until the spots have the blister (ie making it recognizable as chicken pox?) Maybe I can't count on finny coming down with them on the way home from NY (as opposed to going to NY). Who knows.........

I have a pox scar that I wear as a badge of honor. On my face. And I'm a girl!

Happy Anniversary. Does your husband lose his luggage a lot? American Eagle is the lowest ranked airline nationally in terms of keeping track of checked bags. I'm told it is because they are a commuter/feeder airline, but who knows.
04-19-2009 05:34 PM
veganf Alright, pretty sure 2yo has pox now....it's either day 22 or day 7 after exposure, who knows which. But he's got the fever starting and 2 more spots have shown up, one under his chin and one on his hand. He's already scratching and won't leave them alone--he's the one that I'm worried about scarring because he scratches at everything incessantly. But what're ya gonna do....

Anyhow...tomorrow is our anniversary, and we're going out to lunch...I'll post in the morning to update...but for now I'll say that people who want to expose their kids may PM me or email me: yourmove @ rcn.com and please let me know your MDC userid in your message.
We'll allow visitors tomorrow (monday) afternoon, let's say between 1-5pm, again between 9am-4pm on tuesday, and 2-4pm on wednesday (my mother is having minor surgery that morning sorry).

And then of course we're expecting 5yo to come down with them next week...

- Krista
04-19-2009 01:27 PM
mandcc96 That is absolutely hysterical mumm. Just goes to show that people feel free to give their opinion even when they're lacking the knowledge behind it. I got a simliar treatment at the playground on Thursday. I overheard one mom say to the rest "I hope that child doesn't have an infectious disease like chicken pox". Then they moved away from us and eventually left about 5 mins. later. Infectious disease??? How bout a virus LOL. My older girls had it when they were young and the biggest difference is that now we're treated like leopars and endagering parents. Back then I got more support from the community and friends/family. People actually brought you food and helped out. Nowadays, you're scorned and shunned until your children look "normal" again. It's pretty amazing what uneducated opinions will do to a person. I wonder if the mom who asked about the MMR even got the vaccine for cp. Maybe she asked for the wrong vaccine? At least there is a little bit of humor in this whole ordeal. Brings a smile to a long day.
04-19-2009 01:06 PM
mumm We are on day 8. 8 year old is so over this and moved on. 6 year old is mostly scabby and her final count of pox is, I'm guessing, around 700. She is feeling much, much better but still tired and napped for a few hours again yesterday. One year old ended up with maybe 30 spots, some **** not scabbed but most are. She still has a fever and has two donut like (think lyme) rings on her chest that I am going to have checked out on Monday. She had lyme last year and has already been treated for a really infected tick bite this year. The blisters in her diaper area are rather yellow and sore. The other one year old has nothing but is the crankiest of the bunch and has been all along. I figure her spots will break out next week on the day we are touring the statue of liberty.

Anyway. I thought I would share a funny thing that happened at the playground yesterday. Two of my kids have a fair number of pox on their faces, but all scabbed over. One mom keeps staring and finally asks "Do they have chicken pox." I answer with "Yes. They did." She stares and thinks awhile and then asks "Didn't you get them the MMR shot?"
04-19-2009 12:55 PM
mandcc96 Just wondering...does anyone have any stubborn blisters hanging around? Most of dd's pox have already scabbed (although most scabs seem to be falling off early and leaving an open sore...which doesn't surprise me too much since same thing happened when she had her tonsils out). But she does have a blister on her toe that doesn't want to do anything. Seems like it's going to scab over but then you look and it's still filled. No big red circle around or swelling...just very uncomfortable for her. She's still running a temp (low..100.3) Been running since she came started with blisters on 4/10. I thought we'd be done with this by now since it's been well over a week. She also has a white blister on the bottom of her toe that hasn't done anything at all...actually looks like a regular blister (nonpox) but hasn't changed at all over several days. Any suggestions??
04-19-2009 12:06 PM
veganf 2yo has what I swear are 2 cp spots...one on his neck and one on the edge of his scalp...already blistery. Go figure. We'll wait and see what transpires.

Still counting on 5yo to offer another round of contagion next week though!
04-19-2009 09:41 AM
pollyanna We're still waiting to see if Daniel comes up with them. He came down sick thurs night thur sat morning, but no spots yet. I know it is too soon. he probally won't have any cp spots until next weekend.

Pollyanna
04-19-2009 01:15 AM
PingPong'sMom Is anyone still contagious?

My lo is well and I've been ready... then forgot to check this board for the last week...augh!

Anyone?

Thanks mamas!
04-18-2009 08:41 AM
veganf Yesterday, Day 5, 6yo probably could have gone back to school, but he was still a tad bit itchy, otherwise fine. Oh, and I noticed on day 4 that he had some spots IN his mouth, just under his upper lip, but he said he couldn't even feel them.

Baby actually went to her scheduled wbv yesterday. I didn't want to lose the appointment, plus this way it's documented that she had pox, and the doctor was happy to take my word for it about the other kids, but said we could draw titers at her 1 year appointment to be sure , but I said I know what pox look like thanks, I had them at age 15, but she just wanted to offer it since she said many parents come in with kids they think have chicken pox apparently and she tries to assure them that it something else, so they usually check titers then. Anyhow...

Some of the baby's spots had gotten pussier, and she had a low fever, which also happened to 6yo the day before they crusted over, though she was more uncomfortable. She also took 4 naps yesterday! (usually only takes 2) and had little appetite except for nursing. She had really acted fine until yesterday, I think the spots were getting itchier, so I finally caved and gave her a little acetaminophen and Benadryl. After the Benadryl kicked in she slept really well last night. (Of course Dada came home last night--yes, he's been away all week during this--so that might have helped too.)
And 6yo asked for some lotion on some spots last night before bed.

Day 6 - 6yo hasn't mentioned any itching at all so far today.
Baby woke up in a better mood, no noticable fever. So I'd so we're almost done....until round 2! which I expect will hit around the weekend of the 26th.
04-17-2009 10:07 PM
DaughterOfKali How are all the kids doing now, mama's?
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