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08-01-2010 04:45 AM
BunnyLullabye Seraf I'm so sorry to hear things are so crazy for you. Good for you for doing what you feel you need to though! I hope things work out soon.

Amy glad to know you're with us, though sorry to hear your cycle is being so frustrating!

I started the August thread. It's my first time being threadkeeper so hopefully I'll get the job done ok hehe. Here is the link:
07-31-2010 06:33 PM
LibraryLady Seraf~ Ugh, I don't even know what to say except I hope things go your way asap. Take strength in running your own life~ don't bend to others' pressure. We'll be here when you need us xoxo
07-31-2010 05:19 PM
seraf I will be taking more time off than I expected. Hopefully I'll be back with DP TTC in September. I think her folks will talk her out of it, tho. I quit my job, without having a new one lined up. It was stressing me out. I'm going to work 2/3 of my August schedule at my current job and then go to call in only. So I hope to work in a city 60 miles away on weekends and open a home daycare. Then drop the weekends when I can afford life here. So yeah, not pregnant, not TTC, no where close.

07-31-2010 10:41 AM
LibraryLady Morning all (and welcome back Amy!) Feeling frustrated today. Even though my temp went back up to 97.90, that's my default post-O temp. 96.8 before, 97.9 after, with a few fluctuations, so I feel like if I'm stuck at that temp, this whole thing's going nowhere, so I'm feeling kinda beat today. I realize it's only 8 dpo, but I also feel like I'm getting better at realizing what's real and what isn't, and if my temp isn't going up, nothing is real. Ugh. I don't even remember very much of my dreams last night, though I do recall a talking pig, a board game based on the major world religions, and a fight in a vintage clothing store, so it really must have been something.

Hope everyone has a good Saturday!
07-31-2010 12:15 AM
Originally Posted by wehrli View Post
Please note: I've made an "MIA" cateragory for those who have been waiting to O for more than a month. if you have an update as to your status, please post in bold so our gracious threadkeeper can move you to the proper place. if i've moved you by mistake, i'm very sorry.
Just popping in to say I'm still waiting to O, even though I've been MIA here for the past two weeks. Partly because I'm super frustrated with this cycle (hello, CD 34 and nothing to show for it!), and partly because work's been extra busy (which, fortunately, helps distract from the nutty cycle). *sigh* I'll be more active again soon, I hope!
07-30-2010 11:12 PM
gellybeangrl 8dpo~ I'm doing good today as well. I have had some really strong and vivid dreams, but I can't really remember them. Besides that and being a little gassy...I don't have too many other symptoms.

Werhli~ Have a great weekend....thanks for being the thread keeper. We hope to be joining you in prego thread soon!

I'm calling it a night...see you all tomorrow.
07-30-2010 10:46 PM
BunnyLullabye Have a great weekend Wehrli!

Max what do your suppositories look like? I know I had white foil wrapped ones for the last IVF but I can't remember if they were Prometrium brand. I now have the oral kind that is a small round pink/salmon colored gel pill. I'm actually fine taking these and last night they weren't near as messy. So I'm fine with that, I don't know if the efficacy differs. Mostly I just thought it was odd that someone who is supposedly a specialist isn't aware that a commonly prescribed medication exists.

Painefaria I'm sort of thinking the $5 might be worth it too. The ads didn't used to be so bad but now they're full page and make every page take forever to load. I don't mind the side ones but the popups and full pages are getting hard to take.

AFM - 7DPO also and not really feeling anything either way. Last cycle my symptoms were so strong, but this cycle everything seems fairly normal. I'm trying not to get my hopes up as much, but mostly I'm just really dreading if we have to make that trip again, let alone several more times. I wish our donor lived closer or we knew someone to use locally!
07-30-2010 06:44 PM
justrose13 alright ladies... i've been bad about personals, i know... sorry.

i am handing the torch to Bunny for the August Threadkeeper.

Please note: I've made an "MIA" cateragory for those who have been waiting to O for more than a month. if you have an update as to your status, please post in bold so our gracious threadkeeper can move you to the proper place. if i've moved you by mistake, i'm very sorry.

i'm off for the weekend...
07-30-2010 05:10 PM
painefaria Bunny - it is a paid member option... Sorry. It was cheap maybe $5-$10 no more ads. I think that it is worth it for the large amount of time that I am on mdc .

THE DREAMS - wow I hear you on that. I have been having some of the most interesting dreams... not as interesting as library

5G- Sometimes things happen for a reason... I am hoping that you will be helping that little girl when she is born

Amanda - I have always wanted to visit the pacific northwest. I am so envious.

Congrats Max on the house

AFM - things still look positive around here
07-30-2010 05:04 PM
LibraryLady AmandaH~ I'll hope for more fun tonight and report in the morning. I'm glad you're enjoying your break, even if it does mean leaving DP in the chaos. We need these times of peace for certain.

Scarlett~ What can I say? I am a rock, I am an island.

Max~ yay for high temps!! I hope mine goes up again tomorrow.

Afternoon update~ twinges! I've been feeling, or at least imagining that I've had a twingy crampiness in a promising location. At first I thought it was really having to pee, but then I peed and the twinge was still there. Cross those fingers!
07-30-2010 03:00 PM
maxK BunnyLullabye- Yes I am taking Prometrium 200mg as a vag suppository. Ask your doctor again and tell him you know it exists. Sheesh!

No news is good news, I guess. My temps are still up above 98.0, but no side effects. I thought the progesterone would give me more side effects than just crazy dreams. 7DPO and hopeful.
07-30-2010 01:35 PM
Miss Scarlett Library--Sounds like a Mrs. Robinson moment to me!!!
07-30-2010 01:10 PM
Originally Posted by LibraryLady View Post
Morning all~ 7dpo and nothing much to report. My temp went down very slightly this morning, which always just makes me despair, but it's way too early to actually freak out, so I'll try and keep that in perspective. I had a long weird dream about walking a dog on a ridiculously long leash, while teenage boys followed me around insisting I sing Simon and Garfunkel songs. Oh progesterone, you so krazy!
Ok, this just cracks me up. Keep the crazy dreams coming.

5G I'm so sorry about the layoff and also the having to wait to keep ttc. I hope your sister's baby is ok...and that if it is what you want, she can join your family and find a safe, nurturing home with you and DP. s

Max Exciting about the house! Good luck!

TWWers--good luck! I'm excited for some more BFPs around here in the next week or so.

AFM I'm enjoying being in the NW. I feel guilty about leaving my DP in the house-under-construction-chaos, but I'm also deeply grateful to be free from it for now. I love it here. I can see Mount Rainier from my parents' deck. I actually climbed it (to the top!) with my brother and dad in 2000 (I wouldn't make it 10% of the way up now, but that is another issue). I learned to ski on it as a kid. It represents home to me. I struggle with feeling sad and torn that I live out in the midwest--especially as we're really putting down roots there with the house--while I still feel that home is out here. As for ttc, I'm pretty sure I Oed on day 14 (on Wed), which means that I could have inseminated this cycle...but I'm still enjoying the break and am really looking forward to getting pregnant after I get back!
07-30-2010 11:39 AM
LibraryLady Morning all~ 7dpo and nothing much to report. My temp went down very slightly this morning, which always just makes me despair, but it's way too early to actually freak out, so I'll try and keep that in perspective. I had a long weird dream about walking a dog on a ridiculously long leash, while teenage boys followed me around insisting I sing Simon and Garfunkel songs. Oh progesterone, you so krazy!
07-29-2010 11:35 PM
BunnyLullabye Thanks Library. Maybe I'm just weird about spoilers but I hate knowing *anything* about a show before I watch it. To me it's just like knowing the outcome of a sporting event before watching it. I hate knowing what to expect at all, even small things. I avoid watching the preview commercials and snippets at the end of shows too.

I did some reading on the Avatar thing. It looks like it's a paid member only feature. But you can access it and a bunch of other things for $5 a year! I'm kind of considering it.

Scarlett that does sound like a crazy high progesterone level! I wonder what would happen if you did 100mg day 5-9 rather than 3-7? Maybe you'd get less eggs but better quality? That's what I'm trying right now. If this doesn't work I may go back to splitting the difference and doing day 4-8 next cycle.

The one thing I did "learn" from the Dr. yesterday is that I was right (yet again lol) that I shouldn't be taking progesterone all cycle as my usual doctor suggested. It isn't a problem for health issues in general, but can screw up the lining while TTC. Plus as I learned recently (was that here or somewhere else?) that the progesterone from the corpus luteum prevents multiple ovulations usually, I'm thinking it could possibly even prevent ovulation at all if it's taken during the first half of the cycle!

Is anyone else doing prometrium as a suppository? I'm switching to that vs. oral. The doctor said "They don't even make a suppository version of Prometrium" which as far as I understand it is completely incorrect, cause I had suppository progesterone with my last IVF! But now I'm just using the gel caps as suppositories instead of orally. TMI lol but I can't believe the mess it makes, it's so annoying. And I always wonder if I'm absorbing enough. But I guess it's the same issue with taking it orally, you just don't *see* that you might not be absorbing it.
07-29-2010 10:32 PM
LibraryLady Max~ I'm having wacky dreams too! Last night I dreamt my dad was organizing a music festival and he and I were driving around having conferences with different musicians. WTH!?!?! I've always remembered my dreams (I'm a really light sleeper) but it's true the progesterone dreams are the kraziest!!!

Scarlett~ Gracious sakes!! It does sound like you might have had a litter! Hopefully it will work in your favor very soon. I'm going up to the city this weekend~ I'll go to Super Cao Nguyen and report back on the Ume balls.
07-29-2010 10:27 PM
Miss Scarlett 5G--Ugh. Talk about getting kicked while you were down. I know how disappointing it is when you are JUST SURE this HAS to be it. Im hoping for some peace for you in the next couple of months. Maybe your home & hearts needed to be open for your little niece?

Bunny-- There are lots of medical professionals out there that are faced with burnout, medicare cuts, over work, over paperwork, frustration, and loss of empathy. It's sad, and really hard to avoid, even for the best ones. However, there ARE doctors, nurses, nurse practitioners, midwives, etc that really *do* care, and try to meet the patients needs as well as their own personal and business needs. I sure hope you can find one of those, and feel like they are on your team instead of playing against you.

Escher-- THANKS that's what I thought too...We have had one consult with a OB/GYN friend of my DP's and he was pretty surprised at the numbers, but thought I had done too high a dose of the clomid... (100mg day 3-7) So I stepped it down to 50mg.

AFM--I pulled my labwork from my chart to look at the Progesterone level again. It actually kind of funny. I had the progesterone level of a woman in her second trimester of pregnancy

Reference Ranges for Luteal phase are 3.3 -- 25.6

Mine was 70.5 heheheeee

I can't remember for sure, but I think that was one of the cycles that we *COULD NOT* pinpoint ovulation AT ALL and had to send the samples back....maybe a good thing, I probably would have had a litter....
07-29-2010 10:05 PM
maxK escher12- Sorry for you BFN.

5G- It sounds like you two are really going through a lot right now. I know the stress is really doubled when you have other life changes going on too.

AFM- We found out we may be getting a house we bid on! We should know by next week for sure! I'm excited and nervous, similar to TTC! My temps are still high and I'm still having wacky dreams. They aren't the kind of dreams I want to remember, so I am NOT writing them down. I haven't heard of the ume (U-me) balls before so I will check it out. It's CD19, and 6DPO. Hmm... I have a little pineapple left in the fridge, should I eat it? Now I'm scared because of the "stopping by 5DPO".
07-29-2010 09:27 PM
LibraryLady 5G~ Biggest hugs. That's so awful all the way around. Laid off is just insult to injury, and the constant battle and constant failure is so debilitating. I'm very glad to hear you guys are in line to receive your sister's baby. Do keep us posted on everything and we'll keep you in our thoughts xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo

Paineferia~ I looked for the 'change avatar' button but didn't find it. I'll look again, I'm not always tech savvy

Bunny~ I'll do my best not to reveal plot points. Sorry.

Escher~ Thanks for your Amanda Power~ I hope it works its Amanda magic!!!
07-29-2010 09:09 PM
BunnyLullabye 5G I am so sorry to hear about your negatives, layoff and that you need to take a break. We went through all of that too, before we switched to KDS. Maybe you could find a new job that did have infertility coverage? I believe there's subforums with lists of companies that have infertility coverage over at fertilethoughts and maybe ivfconnections. I hope everything goes OK for your sister's baby and that she ends up in a safe loving home. And I hope that home is yours, if that's what you want. Is there any chance your sister would voluntarily make an adoption plan?

Painefaria I really hope cranky is a symptom, cause I've been cranky too hehe. Thanks for the advice on my chart. I tried discarding day 19 but it didn't make any difference. I'm just sticking with "research" detection for now. Also about the Avatar thing, is it possible that's for supporting members only or something? That's what I always thought, and when I went to User CP I didn't see any Avatar option.

Library sorry to hear about your sleep schedule. I know how frustrating that can be. I haven't had trouble sleeping but i"ve been up to pee about 6 times a night lol. Also would it be possible to just not talk about details of TV shows at all on this thread? Those *were* spoilers to me, and you're one of my favorite posters so I'd really hate to have to stop reading your posts!

Scarlett I'm also thinking that if your progesterone was high, you probably don't need supplements. Though if you wanted to, I don't think progesterone can hurt aside from postponing your period (at least that's what my RE told me).

*Rant mode* Why is it that if you are TTC *every single* medical condition becomes "infertility"? At the doctors yesterday they tried to insist that if I am TTC AT ALL they bill everything as infertility, even if I'm not there to talk about TTC at all! It was a huge fight with the office manager. But I've had that at other doctors offices too. I am NOT infertile! (at least not that I've had reason to be diagnosed so far). Infertility is such a weird thing, where someone *else's* medical condition can require me to go through procedures. But that doesn't mean *I* have the medical condition. What if I got a divorce or had an affair with some guy who had fertile sperm and accidentally got pregnant 4 times lol. Would doctors still code me as infertility because I've been through IVF because of my husband's sperm? And would they code, say, a heart condition, as infertility? Because you know, your heart needs to be beating in order to get pregnant lol. That makes just as much sense to me as coding thyroid or menstrual pain or insulin resistance or any other independant medical condition making me unhealthy as infertility!

But I think they do that just because they can make more money doing so. If you have to cash-pay everything they can charge whatever they want vs. the reduced rate insurance agrees to pay. I swear almost all RE's are just about profit and not at all about actually helping anyone. That's part of why we traveled to go to the RE we did for IVF - he charges a reasonable rate and has great stats because he has ethics and believes it's deplorable how doctors try to capitolize on people's desperation and grief. So at least there are *some* good caring doctors out there. I just wish they weren't so hard to find!
07-29-2010 07:23 PM
escher Hi Everyone,

FGB: I'm sorry. This process can be so unfair. I hope this break is healing and restful and exactly what your body needs.

TWWers: Interesting symptoms you all are having!

Scarlett: If your progesterone was high last time you checked, and you're going to take clomid again, then it seems to me like it should still be ok now. I don't think taking progesterone supplements will help if your progesterone is already good. I'm envious of your fabulous progesterone levels! I've always heard ume pronounced oo-may.

Team Amanda: Go team!
07-29-2010 06:51 PM
fivegrandbaby Hey everybody!

So... I can officially be moved to "taking a break." I got laid off last week and had two negative betas this week. That's 7 IUIs, 2 of them medicated, and still no pregnancy. We also found out that our insurance doesn't cover IVF, and we simply can't afford it, knowing it's not 100 percent. We are both devastated and angry, but we are moving forward!

Our tentative date to try again is in November. In the interim, I hope to lose some weight, cut out caffiene (for REAL this time), and just generally get myself as healthy as possible. There is nothing wrong with me: I ovulate, I have fairly regular cycles, no PCOS, no endo... our sperm was not perfect but it's very good. We'll pick new sperm soon, and hopefully with different sperm and some
healthy changes, it won't take us long once we start up again. I might even start temping again...but to be honest, the beat part of not being pregnant is no more OBSESSING- no more shots! I should post a pic of the very nasty bruise I've developed from the PIO shots.

Also, I'm on standby to take care of my niece, who is currently residing in the uterus of my heroin-addicted sister. She got arrested last week, which is good news, but I'm sure they will order her to rehab, at which point she'll probably leave AGAIN (she's left 3 rehabs). If she or the baby tests positive for heroin, the county will take the baby from her, and the wife and I are ready and willing to take care of her.

Good luck to everyone! I'll pop in every once in a while. Thanks for all of the support!

07-29-2010 05:50 PM
Originally Posted by LibraryLady View Post
Okay, totally unrelated question: How do you get the little photo avatar thing? I can't figure out where to do that.
go to user control panel (top left) and click. On the left hand side there is a change avatar link. Go there and it is a simple attach. Good luck
07-29-2010 01:38 PM
gellybeangrl Library- I had insomnia too on 6dpo. I'm not sure what that was about. Last night I had some vivid baby dreams. Here's hoping. I'm having lots of gas an abdominal cramps, but I don't know of that is good or bad.
07-29-2010 01:32 PM
LibraryLady Painefaria~ Ugh, sounds like you're in the sleep-misery too. I'm extra sorry about that 3 a.m. thing, though this morning at 3 I'd have been glad of the company! Sorry you're cranky, too, but glad of your rising temps!! Fingers crossed!!

Okay, totally unrelated question: How do you get the little photo avatar thing? I can't figure out where to do that.
07-29-2010 01:27 PM
painefaria Thanks everyone for the . I only "almost cried" once yesterday, so not too bad.

Library - I hear you with the sleeping like crap. I am on call for work, so that doesn't help and DS has been getting up ready to go at 3am for the last few days. This morning I got him back to sleep just in time to get DP off to work(4am), and as I was falling asleep it started raining and I had to get clothes of the laundry line . Anyway, I fell back to sleep just in time for DS to wake up again 6:15... oh well

Amanda sounds llike a good plan. It is always great when the Dr's actually listen.

Bunny- I think that you Ovulated on day 17. I would "discard" day 19 and see if you get better crosshairs. Either way you have excellent coverage

Gelly/max- where are you? How are you doing?

AFM - another day of up, up, up temps and DP remarked about how cranky I was and then said "oh yeah, why don't I remember that this is what happens, we have only been through this 3 times". I don't know if this is a good thing or not
07-29-2010 11:50 AM
LibraryLady Bunny~ Sorry if I spoilered, I'll be more careful. But it's not spoilering to say that my fave new characters this season are Russell, the Vamp King of Mississippi and his 'consort' Talbot. Really good stuff! Mad Men I guess one likes or one doesn't, but I love it, and all the gorgeous clothes.

Scarlett~ Mmmmmm, Mr. Pho! I'm going to have to go there this weekend and get a sour mango smoothie, I LOVE those things!! As for your progesterone question, while I like the visual of shooting out a million eggs, that's not a question I feel like I can answer. Sorry babe!!

How's everyone else doing? How are my 2ww sistahs? We're 6dpo now, is it time for symptoms? I slept for crap last night~ woke up at 2, tossed and turned until 4:55 and had almost dozed off when DP's alarm went off at 5. I almost cried! I managed to sleep a bit after that but at 8 gave up and got up and will hopefully sleep well tonight. My temp went back up today, but I don't know if my reading can be entirely accurate (I temped at 6 a.m. after an hour's sleep). Still, it makes me feel a bit better, so that's good. Nothing else to report. This part of the wait is eternal...
07-29-2010 10:02 AM
Miss Scarlett Library-- I LOVE THE ASIAN MARKET IN OKC! And that little Vietnamese noodle place next door, Mr. Pho, they have the best spring rolls. I have good friends that live near there and we go often when Im in town

We have some patients that go to a Curandero somewhere downtown (folk healer or shamaness as far as I can gather)....Im going to start with the herb lady before I go that route though!!!!!! LOL

OH, and I meant to ask, I have only done a CD21 progesterone level once (it was a clomid cycle) and it was off the charts high. Like *really* high, so I haven't ever done any progesterone supplements after O. Do we (by we I mean yall) think that it was SO high because I shot out a billion eggs and there were like 1000 corpus luteums? I don't feel the need to supplement since the numbers were so high, but what if it was a fluke? Should I try Progesterone anyway? Should I do another CD21 test? (but I *am* going to do another clomid cycle....)
07-29-2010 08:38 AM
indigoscot get your ume plum balls here:

07-29-2010 03:32 AM
BunnyLullabye AmandaHope I'm so glad that your RE appointment went well. That's great news and sounds like you have an awesome plan!

I'm also a huge fan of True Blood. But I haven't watched this season yet, so please, no more spoilers! Or at least like do that thing where the font blends in and you have to hightlight it to see it lol. Mad Men I tried, but didn't really get into. I might give it another try sometime.

I wish I could say my appointment went as well as AmandaHope's. It was pretty much a fiasco. I think office managers are almost always hired just to be bullies. It's late, so I'll go further into my rant tomorrow lol.
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