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01-18-2012 10:07 AM
ShineliketheSon

Anyone actually done the whole system not just do the drops...from Nutri-DYN?

 

My chiropractor is recommending the system that includes 2 bottles of the hcg plus homeopathic, 1 bottle detox, 1 bottle thyroid, 1 canister dynamic fruits and greens (we use this already and love it!), 1 package ketone strips, diet guide and they are doing weekly testing at the chiropractor to check all levels.  And for the reset phase 1 bottle trim tex homeopathic, 1 bottle crave curb, 1 bottle humanofort 1 bottle omega (we already take these too!) 1 bottle multi caps (we take these as well). 

 

I'm just wondering with all the added nutrition and testing from my Chiro if this is a better/safer program than just buying the drops online and doing it yourself without the added supplements?

10-25-2011 07:44 PM
Weisabunny

Hi all,

 

just found this thread...

Would y'all recommend this to a 38 yro, female (me wink1.gif), exercise on average 3-4 times per week, eat 'well' (lots of veggies, oatmeal, green smoothies, brown rice), addicted to sugar (ice cream, dark choc), have had flare ups with emotional eating, and have around 35 lbs to loose.  Oh, and i had adrenal fatigue 2 yrs ago, I feel better/less tired all the time now but would describe myself as more tired than the average person.  

I'd love your in put.  And major congrats to those who've found a comfortable place with their bodies and food!!!!! You're an inspiration to me!

Thank you!

Cari

09-29-2011 07:33 AM
FirstLady

Just found this group today and definatly needed a support thread to try HCG. I'm looking for information as well during my research and have questions. Looking for online pharmancy info, local doctor in the Melborne Fl area, read in a post that forum leader has a store to purchase items (that info would be fabulous), someone mention about Dr. Eienstien, and is it easier to do alone or under a doctors care. Are there support groups that meet outside of the forum? I was on the yahoo groups forum but THIS ONE is SOOOOO much better and clearer to understand..

 

Thanks in advance for all the great information. Learned more here than on the yahoo groups...

 

 

08-17-2011 09:22 PM
Mariposa7

Hello my name is Jennifer and I was going thru reading these posts on HCG and urs caught my attention...can u plz give my the name of the online pharmacy u use to get ur HCG injection from...plz and thank u!!!

07-27-2011 05:56 PM
PJsmomma

Do you think you can get immune to HHCG drops?

 

I've lost to a certain point and have at least 40 lbs more to lose and it's not budging.

 

I've been using D140 should I try evoke or another one?

06-27-2011 09:41 AM
lash5674

Okay, I am interested in this HCG diet. Where do you get it and is it prescribed?  How long do you have to be on the 500 calorie a day portion?  When do you increase from 500 calories per day?

06-12-2011 05:03 PM
Doodlebugsmom


 

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Originally Posted by eternamariposa View Post

I have a friend that did this diet too and she lost like 20 or 30 pounds, it was the last bit of pregnancy weight that just wouldn't budge for her and she kept it off without exercising regularly even.  I am really intrigued by this idea of a systemic reset. 

 

That's exactly why I did E2L. I don't even know if the hgc diet was around at that time. It was 5 years ago. I didn't want to diet at all while nursing, and I knew I was finished having babies. I wanted to lose about 30 lbs. I felt the best I've ever felt while I was doing it. I didn't find it difficult at all. It seems like many have success with the hcg diet too, though.
 

 



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Originally Posted by Panserbjorne View Post

I don't consider beans protein.  just about any nutritionist worth their salt will tell you that beans are processed as a starch/carb, not a protein.  That doesn't mean they don't HAVE protein.  It means the break down and utilization of said macronutrients are different.  I think if you do well with them they're great though.

 

I'm glad it worked for you, and used for a finite time is the best case scenario IMO *so long as you feel good while on it.*  That's always the key for me.  And if you add in fat and protein it's a great plan.  But then it's no longer Eat to Live.  It's a low-ish carb diet with lots of phytonutrients.  That I can get on board with, no question.


I've been vegan for 3 years and have been healthier and felt better than I ever had. No more cycles of depression, and I rarely even catch a cold. I know that some people really suffer health problems on such a diet, though. You just have to figure out what type of foods make you feel good. I would say that the majority of my protein comes from beans and whole grains (eaten together) and nuts/seeds. I avoid wheat as much as possible. I find that it makes me feel a bit sluggish.  I'm not good at limiting calories. Not at all.

 

06-11-2011 12:32 PM
LianneM

My daughter was 2.5 when I started HCG and I felt fine about it.

06-11-2011 09:48 AM
Panserbjorne

depends on how old the nursling is.  I say under 2 and I would wait.  no need to risk your supply at that stage.  There are, after all a minimum of 23 days of calorie restriction.

06-11-2011 09:45 AM
eternamariposa

I have a friend that did this diet too and she lost like 20 or 30 pounds, it was the last bit of pregnancy weight that just wouldn't budge for her and she kept it off without exercising regularly even.  I am really intrigued by this idea of a systemic reset.  I feel like that could be such a great thing for me.  I have never struggled with my weight or energy level this much before.  In high school, which was only 7 years ago, I lost 30 pounds over a summer pretty easily with diet and exercise.  After my son I lost 35 of the 40 I gained.  But now I am just stuck.  What are the "rules" about HCG and nursing though?

 

06-11-2011 05:59 AM
LianneM

One plan isn't going to be right for every single person.  I did HCG, lost 40 lbs and have stabilized perfectly.  I felt great on it, I feel great now, and I am so glad I gave it a try even though I thought it sounded crazy. LOL  

 

My main problem was a serious sugar addiction that included soda, that I had tried so many times to curb and just couldn't.  My weight was spiraling up b/c I could not get off of it and I had to do something drastic with strict rules.  The HCG diet reset not only my hypothalamus (and I am totally convinced that happened) but also my internal hunger detector and sweet tooth.  I couldn't do that just by trying something new.  I had to do something major with big weight losses to keep me motivated.  I'm now eating healthier than ever and feel better than ever.

06-10-2011 11:48 PM
Panserbjorne

for those it works well for, it works.  I'd just say (for any diet plan) to make sure you're evaluating along the way and if you see or feel concerning things to pay attention to them.  There's been a good number of people here that have tried it and been really miserable and had declining health.  The appropriate thing to do in that situation is to change course.

 

Yes the lifetime plan has a bit more fat and protein, but again-not everyone will thrive on that.  It's a matter of not sticking to ideals, but seeking health and not having prejudice as to what that looks like.

 

My personal experience is that it made me miserable and I DIDN'T have the brains to stop and listened instead to Dr. Fuhrman.  My experience is far from unique.  I know several others in real life that were taken off it by their docs when their labs got squirrely.  All I'm saying is be informed and listen to your body.  Use a program as a guide but don't dismiss your personal experience if it's not working for you.  That goes for ANY plan.

06-10-2011 11:37 PM
eternamariposa

I've never heard or read anything negative about E2L outside of the fact that it is hard to do.  My sister had great success with it, better than any other diet she has tried actually.  There are varities of plans too though.  The lifetime plan is a bit more flexible and includes some fats, lean protiens, etc.  I think it is a great way to track down any offending foods too as it naturally supports a much healthier digestive balance than the standard american diet.

 

06-10-2011 11:10 PM
Panserbjorne

I don't consider beans protein.  just about any nutritionist worth their salt will tell you that beans are processed as a starch/carb, not a protein.  That doesn't mean they don't HAVE protein.  It means the break down and utilization of said macronutrients are different.  I think if you do well with them they're great though.

 

I'm glad it worked for you, and used for a finite time is the best case scenario IMO *so long as you feel good while on it.*  That's always the key for me.  And if you add in fat and protein it's a great plan.  But then it's no longer Eat to Live.  It's a low-ish carb diet with lots of phytonutrients.  That I can get on board with, no question.

06-10-2011 10:55 PM
Doodlebugsmom


 

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Originally Posted by Panserbjorne View Post

  Eat to Live is a long term, calorie restrictive, low fat, low protein, high fiber diet.   Just sayin'.

 



Not necessarily. I followed Eat to Live for 2 months (this was 5 years ago) and lost about 30lbs and have never gained it back. It made me realize that eating healthy, whole foods makes me feel good. I never anticipated staying on the program long-term. I also didn't consider it low protein as legumes were "allowed" in unlimited amounts.

 

I've been interested in the hcg diet for a while. My aunt and uncle did it, but I don't really think they needed it. I never noticed any change in their physique. I certainly can't argue that it works for some people, though.

06-10-2011 10:33 PM
Panserbjorne

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Originally Posted by eternamariposa View Post

 I wonder why we all don't just jump on the Eat to Live bandwagon as it only has positive things to look forward to.


ummm, you should search on MDC alone and see how many people experienced failing health as a result of eat to live long term.

 

what I like about HCG is that the cal. restriction is FINITE.  it's only a few weeks.  literally.  then you move on to eating healthfully in a conscious way.  it's just a reset.  Eat to Live is a long term, calorie restrictive, low fat, low protein, high fiber diet.   Just sayin'.

 

06-10-2011 10:08 PM
eternamariposa

I didn't read through ever post here but I have to say as someone with 60lbs to loose who is struggling to take it off despite changes in diet, more rest, and exercise I sometimes consider the HCG diet as there are billboards up everywhere around here these days, but it is scary to think of adding hormones to the body and honestly as a nursing mother it isn't really an option for me even if I did think it was a good idea.  But as I read through the things that people are saying that is so great about the rapid weight loss and all I wonder why we all don't just jump on the Eat to Live bandwagon as it only has positive things to look forward to.  It is just a lot of comittment I suppose.  Why is this so hard?

07-27-2010 02:17 PM
Panserbjorne if you are anorexic, it's not healthy. This is a very specific protocol designed to reset the hypothalamus, so the foods allowed are extremely specific and designed to serve a purpose. Doing this without HCG would be an issue, no question.

That's the thing that it seems people having a tough time with. This is not just about the diet. It's about the HCG *along with* the diet. And, it lasts a short amount of time.
07-27-2010 02:10 PM
beansmama
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Originally Posted by PJsmomma View Post
I didn't believe that I would be full on 500 calories but I definitely was.
By the third day, I felt stuffed when I ate.

One trick I did was cut up my meat in tiny pieces so it was a lot to chew;0.


I drank tons of green tea and water too. I used flavored stevia as well.

Emotionally sometimes I wanted to eat more and had to fight the wanting to eat even though I was literally full.

It definitely wasn't as bad as it sounded. I tried not to overdo it though. No exercise and I went to bed way earlier than normal. Which isn't bad because I stay up way too late;0!

I am finishing a complete cleanse and then I will do another round. I did a round of sublingual but this time I'm trying homeopathic drops. \


I have a question.
Do you think I can do a candida cleanse during a round or should I just do cleanses between rounds?
I'm reading this thread totally interested...but I have to say - the things you're expressing, to me, remind me of anorexic-speak (the cutting food into tiny pieces and chewing more to get the effect of eating more, drinking TONS of teas...). I don't see how that can be healthy?
07-21-2010 11:57 AM
Panserbjorne I do appreciate the concern for people trying this. Unfortunately I can come up with a boatload of studies to show things that don't work, do. And, in terms of what it's sourced from? Far more benign than most "clinically proven" medications out there.

So, congrats to those who are having success. I know what I've seen with my own two eyes, and it's not placebo, and it's not starvation. Also, what is missed time and again is that you aren't *living* on 500 calories. That is a starvation diet and has different results if you are *looking* at someone and not reading numbers on a report. Someone who is starving looks drawn, loses tone, faces get gaunt etc. I have not seen, heard of, or read any instances where that was the case with HCG.


However, to each their own! Everyone has a path to walk and I don't ever feel that I know better than the one walking it. We should all feel free to share information, but know that it won't resonate with everyone. That's okay too.
07-21-2010 11:47 AM
chiromamma stiss...thanks for that. I spent some time looking for that kind of data but didn't search long enough.
As to the source of the HCG, I figured they were gathering it from pee.
07-21-2010 10:18 AM
stiss I'd also like to say that I sympathize with the struggle to feel good about oneself, and to maintain a healthy and happy weight. I grew up with a mother who has done everything, tried everything, and in the end, has been dealt a terrible hand in this struggle. I do understand the desperation in finding a way to get your body to respond to what you are doing, and what you are so badly trying to achieve, when it comes so easily (and unfairly so) to others. It's not my intention to minimize that struggle. However, physiology is physiology, and the diet industry has been one of the most successful industries of all time...for a reason.

500 calories a day is not healthy. Period.
07-21-2010 10:12 AM
stiss I'm trying to figure out how consuming only 500 calories a day is in any way healthy. It's starvation. Your body will physiologically alter the way it metabolizes food because you are starving yourself, which will make it harder to keep it off. Physiologically harder.

I did a search for some decent science to support this method. I can't find any. I did find a meta analysis that concluded that most studies on the Simeons Method are badly constructed, and the great majority of the few that are well constructed show no effect for this treatment. Heck - it's not like pharmaceutical companies wouldn't be THRILLED to have something else to put on the market, so if there was something there, I'm sure they'd be all.over.it. Furthermore, the hormone is often collected under false pretences, which just makes the whole thing worse.

Anyway, it's a personal choice, and I've learned on this board that you can't change someone's mind once it's made up, no matter WHAT your position is...but for those who are still on the fence and want some balanced information, here's the conclusion of the meta-analysis. I'm not going to post the entire article, but the link, the citation, and the conclusion are found below.

Quote:
Of the 14 randomised studies 12 reported that the weight-loss with the use of HCG was no greater than with the use of a placebo or with the use of a diet only. However, there was always some weight-loss (Table
4). It seems reasonable to conclude that the effect of the Simeons therapy can be attributed to a diet of 500 kcal, but that the HCG has no specific effect. One claimed effect of HCG is that patients no longer feel hungry and/or find it easier to keep to the diet because they feel well on it. Supporters of the therapy, including Simeons himself, say that a double-blind
study of the therapy is not feasible, because persons in the control group will simply not persist with the therapy unless they are extremely motivated [50]. If this view is correct, then in the double-blind studies there should have been far more drop-outs in the control group than in the HCG group or less strict adherence to the diet in the control group, resulting in less weight-loss in that group than in the HCG group. However, according to the results of the studies investigated this does not seem to have been the case
(Table 3).

In a meta-analysis, results of studies that score higher than a selected cut-off point and are sufficiently homogeneous are sometimes 'pooled' [51]. We did not engage in 'pooling' in our study because the study populations and outcome measurements are too heterogeneous and because the methodological quality of the studies identified is too low to warrant 'pooling'.

We conclude that there is no scientific evidence that HCG causes weight-loss, a redistribution of fat, staves off hunger or induces a feeling of well-being. Therefore, the use of HCG should be regarded as an inappropriate therapy for weight reduction, particularly because HCG is obtained from the urine of pregnant women who donate their urine idealistically in the belief that it will be used to treat an entirely different condition, namely infertility. Pharmacists and physicians should be alert on the use of HCG for Simeons therapy. The results of this meta-analysis supports a firm standpoint against this improper indication. Restraints on physicians practising this therapy can be based on our findings.
Lijesen, GK, et al. (1995). The effect of human chorionic gonadotropin (HCG) in the treatment of obesity by means of the Simeons therapy: a criteria-based meta-analysis. Br J Clin Pharmacology, 40(3), 237–243.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1365103/
07-20-2010 11:14 AM
mary3mama I made one:

hcg diet SUPPORT thread
07-20-2010 11:05 AM
mary3mama
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Originally Posted by chirp View Post
and i'm not necessarily disagreesing with you about the benefits of this kind of therapy for people who true-blue need it. but that is probably going to be a smaller portion of the population of people who just need to re-learn their relationship with food and movement.
I respectfully submit that this is each person's own decision as to whether this is the protocol they'd like to try.

It is not easy. It is not the 'lazy person's way out.' It is work. It is work to make sure you are getting just the right foods everyday so that your body is nourished along the way. It is work to stay focused. It is work to deal with the emotions of changing one's relationship to food.

It is not a better way to lose weight. It is not an inferior way to lose weight. It is simply an option for those who wish to try it and who feel, after extensive research and preparation, that it is right for them, their body, their lifestyle.

What I feel we need is an 'hcg diet SUPPORT' thread.
I think I'll go make one.
07-20-2010 09:57 AM
Panserbjorne no, I most definitely used that word. That was my choice after seeing people for whom that is the case.

I hear you. And this WON'T work for people who go back to their old habits. Hence not a magic bullet.
07-20-2010 09:40 AM
chirp
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Originally Posted by Panserbjørne View Post
and for many that may work. For those cases it doesn't, this is great. In the end...accomplishes the same thing. Learning to eat in a way that supports the body instead of overwhelming it. Besides, those with healthy metabolisms don't have to pay for EVERY indiscretion-especially reasonable ones. That's not living in harmony to me. IF I have to literally count every calorie for the rest of my life and never eat a complex carb again for fear of the scale jumping ten pounds, something is off.

I'm not saying people should be able to gorge themselves, or eat 2000 calories a day with no exercise and be okay. I'm not suggesting that eating cake weekly at an office party should be fine, or that you should be able to end every night with ice cream because you went to the gym once that week. This is NOT what we're talking about here.

I'll say it again, this is not a magic bullet, it's a program to help others that haven't been helped by traditional means. It's also a way to change the way you look at food so after the 3 -5 weeks you can embark on a whole new journey that isn't based on deprivation and fear.

I am in 100% agreement with you. But there are cases in which that just. doesn't. work. For some it's because they aren't aware of how much they're eating or how little they're moving. There's also some that are VERY aware and VERY conscious. I don't think those people are liars or failures. I don't think they're dishonest and I don't think that they are all cheating. I think there's a different mechanism at work and this seems to help.
and i'm not necessarily disagreesing with you about the benefits of this kind of therapy for people who true-blue need it. but that is probably going to be a smaller portion of the population of people who just need to re-learn their relationship with food and movement.

anyway...after reading the entire thread i realized my comment was a little late...i'd just like to leave off with I didn't quite say that every "indiscretion" (and that's not the word I used ) required hard work at the gym.

as usual, the hardest part is starting. my metabolism kick started again after 5 weeks of going to the gym. really kickstarted. i wasn't just losing weight...but I didn't gain if I did go out and get ice cream.

that's what people need to get to.

i believe that there are people for whom this will not work. but like i said, i imagine they are a very small minority.
07-19-2010 09:47 PM
lil_miss_understood
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Originally Posted by Panserbjørne View Post
and for many that may work. For those cases it doesn't, this is great. In the end...accomplishes the same thing. Learning to eat in a way that supports the body instead of overwhelming it. Besides, those with healthy metabolisms don't have to pay for EVERY indiscretion-especially reasonable ones. That's not living in harmony to me. IF I have to literally count every calorie for the rest of my life and never eat a complex carb again for fear of the scale jumping ten pounds, something is off.

I'm not saying people should be able to gorge themselves, or eat 2000 calories a day with no exercise and be okay. I'm not suggesting that eating cake weekly at an office party should be fine, or that you should be able to end every night with ice cream because you went to the gym once that week. This is NOT what we're talking about here.

I'll say it again, this is not a magic bullet, it's a program to help others that haven't been helped by traditional means. It's also a way to change the way you look at food so after the 3 -5 weeks you can embark on a whole new journey that isn't based on deprivation and fear.

I am in 100% agreement with you. But there are cases in which that just. doesn't. work. For some it's because they aren't aware of how much they're eating or how little they're moving. There's also some that are VERY aware and VERY conscious. I don't think those people are liars or failures. I don't think they're dishonest and I don't think that they are all cheating. I think there's a different mechanism at work and this seems to help.

I was/am doing everything "right". I now have evidence that that is true as I've lost 15 lbs in the last 5 weeks since my thyroid medication was increased. but, if it hadn't, i had nothing left to "fix"/do. I'm glad that I most likely will not have to go this route but I feel grateful to know it is here if I needed it.
07-19-2010 07:44 PM
Panserbjorne I forgot to mention epsom salt soaks as well. They do a great job of opening sulfation pathways.

Good luck!
07-19-2010 07:35 PM
maeby thank you so much for your help! i think this will be my birthday gift to myself! i'm going to watch my ds for excessive grumpies, sleep issues, eczema and bm changes to make sure he isn't getting over tox'ed as well.
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