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08-25-2011 09:42 PM



Originally Posted by pauletoy View Post

At least you have a sense of humor about it!  winky.gif

I should have read your update before posting! you have shown a lot of grace!


08-25-2011 12:39 PM

I would be sooooo mad! DD2 was 3 1/2 before her hair was ever cut. I know at times it was awkward but I did not want it cut. One time i thought my exs new girlfriend cut it and I nearly spit fire! Not okay with me at all!!

08-24-2011 08:46 PM

At least you have a sense of humor about it!  winky.gif

08-24-2011 09:54 AM
fireHC11 Just to prove ownership I cut my son's hair last night, and now it's even worse than before! Take that, world! ROTFLMAO.gif
08-24-2011 07:46 AM

not ok. my culture also frowns on disagreement to elders, but there is a way to voice your feelings while being respectful. I'd be in a rage! My parents were 'on' us to cut DS hair for nearly a year. They never got it cut themselves, but did sent him home with his bangs in a pigtail once.

08-24-2011 05:06 AM

This post has cheered me and lifted me up to a higher place. Thank you for your love and respect for your's sad to imagine that someday my kids are going to be big and grown and making their own life that doesn't so much need me in it every moment. I love mothering them so much...I can't imagine how joyous and scary and overwhelming and completely amazing it's going to be when my little babies are grown and have their own babies...and I have a chance to breathe in that baby smell again and solve great problems like "what on earth is itching this precious child!"  - it feels good to solve those types of problems and I'm so completely happy that somewhere on this earth, an old chinese woman is reliving the joy of mothering a little one, because her daughter in law had the good sense and compassion to humor and old mother.


Blessings to you for your kindness, you are choosing love and happy relations over resentment in your life right now and that may not seem so completely significant in this moment, but it is a pretty majorly awesome decision to make in your life and it will bring you so much luck and happiness. <3 <3 Plus, how lucky for your little guy that he has so much fussing and loving in his life. It's a blessing to be able to say that he has two great women mothering him. I'm so happy for you.

08-23-2011 10:38 AM
fireHC11 Update!

So, I've decided to let it go. Because one, I don't care about hair all that much anymore. Sure, I like being the one to cut the hair, and actually, she's left quite a bit of it that I can still cut (e.g., to rid ourselves of the bowl cut! or straighten it out, at the least!). And two, I've had a long talk with MIL -- not about this, but just in general -- and have come to realize that she's not cutting hair out of domination or disrespect, but out of genuine care for the kid. AverysMomma nailed it: she misses having her own little guys, and she's anxious that everything turn out right for her kids and her only grandkid. For example, if she sees a white patch on my boy's face she puts vitamin E on it right away. If he has a runny nose, she uses herbal remedies and spares no expense to find the best ingredients for his food. She breathed such a sigh of relief when I told her it seems my kid doesn't have a peanut allergy like both of her kids do. After her own kids' illnesses and those of her siblings' kids, including traumatic hospital stays which she says bordered on child abuse, she's overwhelmingly sad when she looks at the world, and puts all of her effort, fear, and joy into my kid. It's really humbling. And she deserves my respect and all the slack I can give her.

She cut his hair both times because she saw him scratching at his neck, so she figured he's itchy, maybe his hair was poking him. It wasn't -- it was a tag on his shirt which I later removed -- but the thought is sweet. I just wish she'd asked. But now, it's OK, even if it happens again (which I'm sure it will).

Don't worry, mamas, he never had the baby curls. His hair has always been very fine and straight.
Originally Posted by AverysMomma View Post

Out of curiosity, is your MIL Indian?

Good guess. Chinese.
08-22-2011 09:59 AM

Well,  I was going to come on and say that is wasn't great, but maybe she did not know any better...but now I hear she did it again?  After you (or DH) told her your feelings on it the first time? That is total upsurping of your authority, and I would either:


have it out with her if you think she can learn




no unsupervised visits.  

08-22-2011 09:48 AM

1. I have an awesome relationship with my MIL. I consider giving her lots of wiggle room with "mommy type stuff" to be my gift to her....every woman misses having little ones and grandmotherhood is the cats meow for many women. I love the man she made for me (my DH) and all the loving and wonderful things she does for me and I couldn't imagine my life without her in it. So my way of loving her back and showing my appreciation for all she does for us, is letting her relive the glory days of parenting sweet smelling little bubhees without a lot of whining and hovering, etc from me.



2. If my MIL cut my kids hair without asking me (she would never), it would be ON. I would be steaming mad.


3. If my MIL cut my kids hair under those circumstances, when I was growing it out for a vacation, I'd be HITTING THE DAMN ROOF. Seriously, my rage would consume the universe. IT would be dangerous for all inhabitants of earth.



But I'm kind of a nuts about my kids hair...I like it wild and free with little baby curls on the end. It brings me great pleasure to see it, bouncy and flowing as they run past me. *sigh* *tears welling up*



If she cut it again, I don't care what "cultural rules" I was being told I had to observe....I would be fuming and we would be hashing that shit out. Like, as in, before I left her house. THat's passive agressive ridiculousness and until I got to the bottom of it, I wouldn't feel okay leaving my kids with her. If she would try and make a power play like that, I can't imagine the types of thigns she would feel okay saying, doing, etc around my kids. Not cool. Not loving. Wouldn't put up with it.



The reason I have such an outstanding relationship with my because our relationship is built on love, mutual respect and honesty. You are definitely missing two of these ingredients with your MIL. A relationship in which you are unable to advocate for yourself is an abusive relationship. She's not beating you, she's not talking to you like a dog....she's using culture and her "Status" to jab at you. It's like, social abuse, or something.


Out of curiosity, is your MIL Indian?

08-22-2011 08:52 AM

For me it would depend on the age of the child and I would expect a courtesy phone call before the deed was done..Now My L is only 3 right now(ok she is almost 4)and she has blond thin hair but her hair is tight ringlets that soaking wet go down to the middle of her back..She has never had a haircut and right now everyone knows that if they dare to cut her curls it will mean my laser death rays will beam upon them...LOL 


But if she was older and out with my mom and she said she wanted a trim or cut I wouldn't mind as long as my mom asked ahead of time and I talked with L how she wanted it cut ect...


And I am sure that day will come eventually..And I have no problem telling people when they have overstepped their boundaries..I view this as no different than stopping my mom when she tried to give L that "just one little taste" of chocolate pudding in the restaurant at 5 months old because it won't hurt her..Sure she got mad but she got over it..And she found that yes that one little taste could have hurt her for now we know she is allergic to dairy...I believe it does take a village but their are boundaries and limits but their should also be respect and courtesy..

08-22-2011 07:50 AM

This is funny and not.  My Mom still carries her grudge over my grandmother cutting my brothers hair.  He had long brown curls... Oh the angry words that my mother said under her breathe.   Did you ever tell her your plan with his hair?  Some MIL just don't get it but are not trying to be pushy.  Sorry I know that's annoying though.  Hope you can get it fixed.

08-20-2011 05:16 PM


Yeah, general tone is huge. Between spouses AND between the generations, IMO. If you're allies and partners generally, there's a great incentive to avoid petty conflict. If you're antagonistic generally, then anything can become The Hill To Die On. 

08-20-2011 11:09 AM

That's a good point, Smithie. If the general tone of the relationship is respectful of the parent, then things like haircuts aren't going to be as big of a deal (or if it is something that would be a big deal to the parent, the grandparent won't cut the kids hair!) It sounds like you SIL isn't very confident in her parenting, maybe? I have one SIL who I think doesn't speak up most of the time when MIL oversteps, and when she does speak up, it's very over the top (recently, they didn't speak for a few months after a blow out)


Any updates, OP?

08-20-2011 06:09 AM


I couldn't care less if my MIL cut the kids' hair - part of it is that I don't care about hair, but part of it is that she doesn't try to alpha me ever when we disagree about childrearing stuff, so my first instinct is always to back her up when she wants to do a mommy-type thing with the kids. She's my village, y'know? 


Also, my SIL is very touchy and possessive about her kids, and makes MIL walk on eggshells, and it's so revolting to watch that I further resolve never to intervene in MIL's grandmothering unless child welfare is involved. It is never involved. (SIL is improving as time goes by and her meds get refined, but still, one DIL with power/status issues is more than enough for any MIL to have to deal with). 

08-17-2011 07:35 PM

My mom might cut one of the kids' hair without checking with me, but it's not likely.  If she did, it would be because a. the oldest asked her to (and at nearly 10, it's her head, so I don't really fight with her about hair anymore) or b.  My three year old actually allowed someone near him with scissors.  Since he is terrified of that- I'd applaud any effort in that direction when he was agreeable. 

08-17-2011 07:00 PM
ShanaV Wow, ka-pow! This topic has got me heated! I think I'm going to tell my mom and have my dh tell his mom TONIGHT: "Never cut the boys' hair!" just in case.
08-17-2011 06:05 PM

Yeah I would be done with that nonsense. I know that finding other daycare may not be in your budget, but if it is I would do it. My family tends to do these sorts of things too. Suddenly, you aren't allowed to parent your own kids without their two cents, or them feeling they need to add their own reprimand of the child. It gets pretty ridiculous to watch my Aunt, Uncle, and both grandparents chew out my little cousin at a family dinner for something that really I don't need to know about. Your MIL is clearly trying to insert her own power. Put your foot down now before it gets worse.

08-17-2011 05:43 PM

No! Her place is way up north, so a holiday trailer would only be a go in the summer... but regardless, I wouldn't leave my 9 or 7 year old in her care for long. She believes in "My house, my rules" to the extent that she thinks spanking her other grandchildren is okay. The only reason I've been okay with my older kids being alone with her for an hour is because I have no doubt they'd smack her right back. I didn't have to answer the trailer comment, because DH said "Over my dead body!" before I could form a courteous response!

08-17-2011 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by Mummoth View Post

 She's already told me that when we visit we'll stay in the holiday trailer, and the baby will sleep inside with her. Seriously.

Um, wait, what?!  You aren't planning a trip any time soon are you?   Like, Christmas?  




08-17-2011 05:17 PM

My mom took my son for a haircut without asking me first, but it was after he'd had many haircuts before, and it was done in the same way I ask for it to be done when I take him. She trimmed DD's bangs, but again, when she was older and she did it *just* so they weren't in her eyes, the bare minimum, and well. I'm really laid back about my kids' appearances, so she knew I wouldn't mind. 


It sounds like she's overstepping a lot of boundaries, and it sounds like the culture thing is a big excuse to enable her to do so. Even if that is the way her culture operates, she must be able to recognize that you were raised in a different culture than her, and might do things differently. Why should her culture be able to override yours, with your child? I don't know... maybe this is just tweaking me because my MIL pulls the "Respect your elders" card in an attempt to get what she wants. I'm a "Everyone deserves courtesy, but respect is earned." kind of girl... the claws haven't come out yet, but she lives 16 hours away. She's already told me that when we visit we'll stay in the holiday trailer, and the baby will sleep inside with her. Seriously.

08-15-2011 05:51 PM
fireHC11 Arise, old thread! Guess what! She cut his hair again.

I'm more hurt than anything else. Because when I dropped the kid off this morning, and he cried and clung to me, she tried to snatch him away: "Want some cheese? Come over here! Look at this car! Your mom will be back. Want to go for a walk? Let's go wake your uncle;" meanwhile he's screaming "I want to go home" and I'm trying to whisper into his ear and be comforting, although I know MIL is trying to help, and sometimes distraction does work. And MIL kept giving me these Meaningful Looks and shaking her head and saying, "He doesn't like it at day care," implying that I should be staying home with him rather than working towards a degree. In the end, I calmed him and he was playing happily before I left. I know he likes day care, and I know that I can't give up my PhD work. And now she's cut his hair which says to me, "You're such a bad mother you can't even be trusted to keep the bangs out of his eyes."

I know I should keep perspective. But sometimes it all just bogs me down.
06-05-2011 07:02 PM

Well, I don't live close enough to my MIL, but my own mother does this all the time. I've let her know that as long as she uses the longest clip on the buzzers, she can do it.


The funny thing is, I didn't have clippers until about a year or so ago. The first time I cut MY son's hair, SHE got upset, like I was stepping over HER boundaries. But with my mother, the best thing to do is sigh and move on.

06-05-2011 03:46 PM
Originally Posted by Arduinna View Post

too bad there was a hell no option. 

truedat.gif  Well said, Arduinna!


06-05-2011 03:13 PM

too bad there was a hell no option. 

06-05-2011 02:29 PM

I don't think it's "okay" but I also don't think it's a huge deal. Assuming it's coming from a helpful place (which it would be in either of our mother's cases), I would just say something like, "Thanks for the trim, but in the future we'll take care of Lucy's hair." The beautiful thing about hair is that it grows back. ;)


I certainly can't see being so devastated that you would stop unsupervised visits or be upset for years. I would think there must be other, more significant issues going on in that case.


06-05-2011 12:43 PM

Every MIL has been a mother.  And I think it's pretty common knowledge that mothers want at least SOME say in what their kids' hair looks like.  I think it is always inappropriate to cut a kid's hair without an OK from Mom (unless she's out of the picture).  I am anything but sexist, as far as parenting, but I still don't think an OK from Dad is quite the same.  Dad might very well say, "Sure, whatever," when Mom would say, "OMG, no!!"

06-05-2011 12:31 PM

I would be super mad. We didn't cut DS's hair for 25 months. It drove my parents crazy. They were always threatening to cut it; I finally put a stop to it by saying that if they did, they wouldn't be seeing him alone anymore. That shut them up... (Otherwise, they are really good with him--they just don't like long hair for boys eyesroll.gif).

06-05-2011 12:14 PM

I'd be mad about it.  I'd be mad about it whether it was someone with whom I clashed about other things or not-- to me, it's just a decision that parents make for their little kids and that later kids will make for themselves.  Hair is not for an outside party to decide.  Yes, it'll grow back, but you and your kid are the ones who have to go through it looking dorky until it does.


I would be less mad if she had taken him to have it professionally done by someone who knows how to cut bangs straight... but still annoyed.  I still think it's overstepping.


Also, I would make sure that someone (and it could be your husband if you're not up to doing it yourself) tells her that you don't want her to ever do it again/that it wasn't actually helpful.  It seems like a common sense thing that anyone should know... don't cut someone else's kid's hair without asking... but you know she has her own very different world view and it's obviously not common sense to her, so someone needs to tell her directly.


Edit to add:  also?  Really?  He sent the post to your FIL?  Headdesk.  Headdesk.


06-04-2011 09:02 PM

At this point I would be upset because I am not cutting DD's hair for a while yet. However if DD was older and she said she wanted it cut and was truly the one who wanted it cut then I would have no issue with it. But luckily I know MIL wouldn't overstep in that area. I think a lot really depends on the relationship if you know it is done in a passive-aggressive way then yeah huge problem with it. But if you have a good relationship and know it was meant to help and not trying to overstep then it would be okay. 

06-04-2011 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by onlyzombiecat View Post

If dd actually agreed to someone cutting her hair without asking me my opinion then I would consider it a learning experience for her. I think we all have to learn who we trust to cut our hair. 


I think there are plenty of ways to learn things. Learning something the hard way can be a good thing for someone who simply won't listen to anyone else's opinion or advice. I don't think it's so good for someone who is just innocent and doesn't know the right questions to ask.


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