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09-19-2011 07:02 AM
Tear78 I'm so sorry, mama. hug.gif Kudos to you for working so hard to improve the breastfeeding! A really helpful pumping tip I got was: Don't watch the bag/bottle. When I looked elsewhere and thought about DD latching and sucking the milk came out better. Keep us posted!
09-18-2011 07:29 AM
doulawho

You mentioned that you didn't have a lot of time you eat. I found with my 2nd that if I didn't eat a TON, to hunger and then some, then my supply suffered. Plenty of protein and very little grains are the best for fussiness/gassiness I have found.

I hate that I am carrying 10 extra lbs right now, but I don't want to cut calories out of concern for my supply. It sucks to change your diet, but it is worth it for baby :)

09-17-2011 09:27 PM
Italiamom Veggiemom, this may seem silly and simple, but when I do need to pump, it seems to help me to look at photos of my babies. I'm pretty sure that's kind of a pumping 101 sort of suggestion, but it seems to help my milk flow.
09-17-2011 05:52 PM
justthinkn Haven't figured out links on current device, sorry, but medela has some good articles with images about fit, I think! I ended up w 30mm (v 24) as best fit, nipples rubbing least on sides w/out breast tissue slapping around in a too big cup!
09-17-2011 05:44 PM
elevena true

oh, and veggie mom, i meant to add this link last time. it really helped me to put time into perspective.

 

http://www.normalfed.com/Help/babyget.html 

09-17-2011 05:38 PM
elevena true

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Originally Posted by justthinkn View Post

Oh, can you take your pump in when you see your LC and make sure your settings, flange sizes, etc., are all good? I found out this time I'd pumped with too-small flanges all last time!



justthinkn-

 

     how should the flanges fit? the cup part always seems too large for my breasts, while the nipple "tunnel" seems too small. hmm. maybe i should google.

 

09-17-2011 05:36 PM
justthinkn Oh, can you take your pump in when you see your LC and make sure your settings, flange sizes, etc., are all good? I found out this time I'd pumped with too-small flanges all last time!
09-17-2011 05:27 PM
justthinkn So sorry for your heartache, from another SNS, formula, herb-using mama (too tired to pump)! Have you used the SNS before? It has a learning curve, so don't get discouraged too easily hug.gif And remember, unless your supply is zero, it's not all formula - every ounce you make counts! I hope as your LO gets stronger, tongue clipped, etc., you see your supply rebound hugely!
09-17-2011 05:13 PM
elevena true

veggiemom---

     i am so sorry this is going on for you. i totally know this particular heartache. greensad.gif   hug2.gif

 i am a few weeks further down the road then you.....(nursing, pumping, fingerfeeding, herbs, etc, etc.).....and it truly does get easier, even though everything is still not exactly where i want it to be.

     as for pumping, massaging the breasts before and during the pumping session, as well as compression, helped to boost my often pathetic output for the pump. i will also "powerpump" after y goes down for the night; pumping for 15 mins, resting for fifteen, pumping for fifteen, etc etc while i watch a movie or catch up on e-mail. also: if you are good at handexpressing, do that instead of or after pumping. i know that i allllllways have milk in my breasts after pumping. the pump just doesn't do it for me. that might be the case for you?

      it will get easier! i know this is a crappy club to be a part of, but at least you aren't alone.

 

                                      

 

09-17-2011 04:02 PM
Baby_Cakes

hug2.gif I know your heart is breaking, but I have to offer hugs.  You are such a good mama, and you will get thru this.

 

I dont know much about domperidone, but i had good results increasing pumping output with More Milk Plus tincture.  http://www.motherlove.com/product/530-More-Milk-Plus.html

09-17-2011 03:58 PM
Beckily

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Originally Posted by veggiemomto2 View Post

nak- tamera i decided to stay on it. thx for the input!

i just pumped again and only got drops. at least hes up to 10.1 today but i guess its the formula. cry greensad.gif


I'm very sorry if you've said and I missed it, but have you only used the one pump? Because that can make a HUGE difference.

09-17-2011 03:51 PM
veggiemomto2 nak- tamera i decided to stay on it. thx for the input!

i just pumped again and only got drops. at least hes up to 10.1 today but i guess its the formula. cry greensad.gif
09-17-2011 02:12 PM
Tamera

NAK

 

I started zoloft in my third trimester and am still taking it and breastfeeding. Augustus has been growing like a weed. I would talk to your doctor before stopping. Very very small amounts make it into your breastmilk (if any at all) and there are a lot of other things that are more likely to be affecting his weight gain.

 

My second child has a cows milk protein intolerance that caused problems before I narrowed it down to dairy in my diet. She had green poop but I don't remember if there was mucous. She did have slow weight gain and a few severe diaper rashes. She still hasn't outgrown it (she's almost two) and she will still have weird poop and a rash if she gets ahold of anything with milk in it.

 

ETA: I didn't see your most recent post before I replied. Sorry mama! I haven't pumped in 7 years so I don't really have any advice.

09-17-2011 12:21 PM
veggiemomto2 So.

I decided to go to see a IBCLC. She works with Alison Hazelbaker (tongue tied author and creator of the finger feeder). He is tongue tied, has a seriously uncoordinated and dysfunctional suck, and only took it 1/2 ounce at the feeding. She said she was surprised he hadn't lost more. He was down 2 ounces. Beyond frustrated and SO so sad. He's had to have formula in the finger feeder. I didn't have ANY choice. I have been pumping around the clock but I am thrilled if I even get one ounce. She said my supply has probably suffered because he is just not able to get the milk out. He now is refusing the breast, at least the right side. My nipples are huge but even more huge now that I'm using the pump. She felt that was an issue too. He's just having a lot of trouble getting it out. So now I am using as much of my milk as possible, some formula, and trying to nurse when he's sleepy enough to take the boob without being upset. I feel like a damned idiot. The ONE time I don't freak out over supply. The one time I don't do constant weight checks. This is what happens? I'm so upset that he has to have any formula but right now there is just no other option. I see Alison Hazelbaker on Monday and hope to get him back on the breast more. Tuesday off to the dentist to hopefully get his tongue clipped. Besides the bottom, he also has a slight issue on top (not sure what?). Rented scale and pump. So worn out and sad. It's lucky if I get a bite to eat during the day. Every minute is spent either feeding him or pumping. Luckily I called the ped and told her what was going on and she agreed to just let me monitor his weight at home. Upped my dom to 160. If anyone has tips on how to get more out of the pump please help me! The only time ANY milk comes out is during a let down. I barely get an ounce and that's FORTY FIVE MINUTES OF PUMPING! Just got the SNS in the mail and will be using that as well. Some finger feeding, some SNS, and some nursing. Trying my best.
09-17-2011 11:18 AM
HawaiianBlesing

Veggie: have you tried probiotics?  Like I stated in an earlier post DS' poops start out yellow in the am and then by evening, they are more green than yellow.  He had a little stomach bug for a few days so I put him on probiotics and it's seemed to help out with his poops.  It could be purely coincidence seeing we've hit the 6 week mark and my milk seems a little more stable but I'm going to stick with it for a bit.

 

09-13-2011 05:50 PM
Italiamom Oh mama, no advice, just sad for you greensad.gif This has to be so tremendously stressful, and on top of PP hormones... I'd agree with others that it's possible he's just a slow gainer. From all of your beautiful FB photos, he looks very healthy and alert. Green poops are usually a sign of too MUCH milk, not not having enough. Anecdotally, when we were in the hospital with Martha, and I was so stressed, I used their super sweet medical grade pump. I only got 1 lousy ounce. At home I usually get 3 or 4 ounces! So even with the best pump, stress matters.
09-13-2011 10:06 AM
jillybeans I'm sorry honey!

My bff had this same thing happen with her baby, as did my SIL (both born late spring) and they are still just slow gainers. As long as he continues his "curve" he may just BE that way! It doesn't always mean something is wrong, although it IS good to double check. Big huge hugs!
09-13-2011 08:09 AM
lisastrickland

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Same here! My babies are even born large, but then gain slow. Neither of my other two hit 20 lbs before their first birthdays. They always made enough diapers, hit all milestones and seemed generally happy. I guess some babies just grow on their own growth curves. I am so it is so stressful for you! I hope things are better soon. :-)

My 21 month old JUST hit 20 lbs... Hes starting to pack on the pounds now. My 4 year old hit 20 lbs around 20 months and then was 35 lbs by 27 months....

 

 

09-13-2011 06:11 AM
veggiemomto2 My other two were slow gainers but they always (barely) made that lowest cut off of like 4 or 5 ounces per week. I think it took my son 3 weeks to get back to his birth weight. I was told to supplement with both of them, but only did it with my first and that only lasted a couple weeks. I went on to nurse them both for 3.5 years but it is such a struggle in the beginning. I just wish I had a weight in between so I knew if he dropped some. I'm throwing all this stuff around in my head - the green poops, the fuss, the fact he was weighed on a different scale, we don't know if he dropped more after that appointment.... I feel like my supply is ok but then I see him fussing at the boob and it scares me.
09-13-2011 06:07 AM
veggiemomto2
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I'm right there with you in the worrying department.  I'm sure he is gaining enough weight.  It's so hard not being able to interpret their cries. 

 

DS has starting having green poops too.  They start off yellow in the am, then get greener as the day goes on.  There is no froth, but there is sometimes mucus.  I've been block feeding for weeks with no change.  I've read that newborn/infant poops can vary in color from yellow to green to brown and every color combination in between.  I'm just trying to go with it until my next LLL meeting.  I am seeing the pedi today for other concerns so I will ask him.

 

I'm frustrated and scared as well.  Hang in there momma.  One day @ a time


Yep - middle of the night poo was green, then this am is back to yellow. They are always yellow early and then the last one is usually very green. I just don't know what to make of it. He is so fussy in the evening and kicks around like he's in so much pain. I always worry that it's because he can't get enough milk but again the output has always been there.....but now the weight gain isn't. I am just wondering if food intolerance can cause weight gain issues. Block feeding for me doesn't work because my left side doesn't produce enough milk. He still nurses on it but it's never enough for a full feeding.
09-13-2011 03:00 AM
ChemistryClass

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Originally Posted by lisastrickland View Post

((Hugs)) mama! I have been there. Twice. Twice weekly weight checks, trips to the lc to see how much they were eating, stress from the pedi to give them formula.... turns out, I just have slow gainers. Both boys took several months to gain any weight, were always in the 5th or below %... they had the right numbers of diapers, and were meeting milestones, etc., just didn't gain weight. They eventually caught up. Around 18 months for each of em... they each jumped in weight. Hang in there mama, you may just have a slow gainer!


Same here! My babies are even born large, but then gain slow. Neither of my other two hit 20 lbs before their first birthdays. They always made enough diapers, hit all milestones and seemed generally happy. I guess some babies just grow on their own growth curves. I am so it is so stressful for you! I hope things are better soon. :-)

09-12-2011 06:22 PM
lisastrickland ((Hugs)) mama! I have been there. Twice. Twice weekly weight checks, trips to the lc to see how much they were eating, stress from the pedi to give them formula.... turns out, I just have slow gainers. Both boys took several months to gain any weight, were always in the 5th or below %... they had the right numbers of diapers, and were meeting milestones, etc., just didn't gain weight. They eventually caught up. Around 18 months for each of em... they each jumped in weight. Hang in there mama, you may just have a slow gainer!
09-12-2011 02:33 PM
Baby_Cakes

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So much for pumping. 10 minutes .... 1/4 ounces. Wugh.


Pumping when stressed will do that to you, regardless of your supply.  Deep breaths.  Try again first thing in the morning when your breasts are most full.  And keep your chin up.  I'm in the everything's going to be ok camp as well.

 

Hugs, HB, too.  How long are your blocks?  I think 4-6 hour blocks are what I have to do for our issues.  Have you tried having a day boob and a night boob?

 

09-12-2011 01:32 PM
HawaiianBlesing

I'm right there with you in the worrying department.  I'm sure he is gaining enough weight.  It's so hard not being able to interpret their cries. 

 

DS has starting having green poops too.  They start off yellow in the am, then get greener as the day goes on.  There is no froth, but there is sometimes mucus.  I've been block feeding for weeks with no change.  I've read that newborn/infant poops can vary in color from yellow to green to brown and every color combination in between.  I'm just trying to go with it until my next LLL meeting.  I am seeing the pedi today for other concerns so I will ask him.

 

I'm frustrated and scared as well.  Hang in there momma.  One day @ a time

09-12-2011 01:24 PM
veggiemomto2 So much for pumping. 10 minutes .... 1/4 ounces. Wugh.
09-12-2011 12:54 PM
Beckily

I'm in the "I'm sure it's okay" camp. All the really important signs, he's got. He's just not gaining as fast as they'd like. You're doing your job! He's happy. He's adorable. *hug*

09-12-2011 11:39 AM
veggiemomto2 Sorry for serial posting. I just feel so stupid and embarrassed! I should have had him in for a weight check. He just felt and looked heavier! How could I have not seen it??
09-12-2011 11:36 AM
veggiemomto2 Thank you guys. You have no idea how much it helps to have you all to talk to. I'm just so very upset about this. I hope we can work it out.
09-12-2011 11:17 AM
Baby_Cakes

First, I wouldn't go off the zoloft if it's helping you.  You don't need to be in a bad place emotionally right now, you need to be as strong as possible.  If you think the zoloft is helping, stay on it!!  Finn needs a happy mama first and foremost.  Ok, and secondly -- you don't know how low he dropped!  He's above his birth weight, mama!  You ARE doing it!  Maybe he dropped down further than 10% and he's gained back 2 lbs.  You have no idea, so please don't worry that he's not gaining.  He IS gaining, just perhaps slower than most babies do.  Poops and pees are fabulous signs that he's getting plenty to eat.  It'll stick.  Have faith in him, have faith in you.

 

hug2.gif

 

Another thing is you can always supplement with pumped milk first before resorting to formula.  Talk this over with your ped if you're unsure, but sometimes nursing and then "topping off" with an ounce or 2 of pumped milk can make the difference for early gain.  Just a thought.  Don't go there yet unless you need to, ok?  Love to you, mama.

09-12-2011 11:09 AM
veggiemomto2 He looks so healthy!

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