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11-25-2011 08:42 PM
journeymom

Hey there!  "The violent police assaults across the US are no coincidence." 

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/nov/25/shocking-truth-about-crackdown-occupy?fb=optOut

 

Note the above was published in the UK.  Written by Naomi Wolf. On the 19th she was attending a HuffingtonPost event in NYC that featured Governor Andrew Cuomo, and was arrested. 

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/oct/19/naomi-wolf-arrest-occupy-wall-street

 

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The officers who had us in custody were very courteous, and several expressed sympathy for the movements' aims. Nonetheless, my partner and I had our possessions taken from us, our ID copied, and we were placed in separate cells for about half an hour. It was clear that by then the police knew there was scrutiny of this arrest so they handled us with great courtesy, but my phone was taken and for half an hour I was in a faeces- or blood-smeared cell, thinking at that moment the only thing that separates civil societies from barbaric states is the rule of law – that finds the prisoner, and holds the arresting officers and courts accountable.

 

 

 

I have been seriously objecting to comparing the Occupy movement to the Arab Spring uprising, it's hyperbolic and disrespectful to those people who were tortured and murdered by the likes of Muammar Gaddafi.   But she's so right, this is all it takes:

 

 

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first they come for the "other" – the "terrorist", the brown person, the Muslim, the outsider; then they come for you – while you are standing on a sidewalk in evening dress, obeying the law.

 

 

 

 

Edited, wrong Cuomo.

 

11-13-2011 04:48 PM
serenbat

ALSO - pack in pack out thought - can you go and take home "compost" trash recycleables etc?

 

we are locally doing a big push for BLACK Friday - we are doing "handmade" signs and placing them all over - laundry mats, with local churches, all places you can post--FREE (SOUPS kitchens are great too)

 

in our area the "major" occupy groups are ONLY in one section of town and small by national standards so most people do not know ANYTHING about it - if you don't drive by you have no clue (the local papers only did an itsy-bitsy story right at the start) we are going into other sections (thus the reason for the laundry mats) if you are a 1%er you are NOT doing your own clothing ------- so get the word out---it's FREE!

11-13-2011 12:38 PM
sosurreal09

I'm hoping to get involved!

11-13-2011 12:14 PM
mama*pisces

Good ideas, serenbat, I hadn't thought about bringing them water. That is a definite can do!! I also have some winter items I plan on donating to them. :-)
 

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bring water! even in an old jug for hand washing - offer to take back things that need washing

 

a thermos full of tea or coffee is always appreciated!!! or ice if you are in a hot area 

we do bring lots of snack food (besides other items) - popcorn is cheap and easy 

 

can you make copies?

have extra items that they might need? just ask

 

main thing in our area is to spread the word- letters to the editor of your local papers are FREE!

 

 



 

11-13-2011 11:27 AM
serenbat

 

 

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we have also been really struggling financially the last few months, so even bringing food to Occupy right now is difficult to do, because that food could be leftovers for my family, 

 

 

bring water! even in an old jug for hand washing - offer to take back things that need washing

 

a thermos full of tea or coffee is always appreciated!!! or ice if you are in a hot area 

we do bring lots of snack food (besides other items) - popcorn is cheap and easy 

 

can you make copies?

have extra items that they might need? just ask

 

main thing in our area is to spread the word- letters to the editor of your local papers are FREE!

 

 

11-13-2011 08:17 AM
mimim Peggy, I totally agree with you about moving to direct democracy as a crucial step. That's one of the best things about OWS - it is a direct democracy.

I think that the most important thing we can do right now as individuals is to buy as little mass produced goods as possible. Make your own, buy from small local producers, or go without.
11-12-2011 08:32 PM
mama*pisces

Also, one thing that we can do as a group(and from afar), is petition food companies to label their foods that contain GMOs...that is one of my personal pet peeves, that I have no idea what is in some of the foods I feed my children....we should not have to question what's in our vegetables, for crying out loud! And of course, the next step would be to boycott those companies that refused to comply with honest labeling.

I also wouldn't mind seeing all soy derivatives being taken out of foods....there is a lot of controversy surrounding whether soy in and of itself is good for us, but these days almost all soy is GMO, so that takes the question right out of it. There are plenty of other oils that can be used in place of soybean oil, yet it is still used rampantly. Also, it would be great to see all MSG labeled as "MSG", not the 12 other aliases it has...while we're at it, lets just get rid of that nonsense altogether. yummy.gif Make food safe across the board, as much as possible.

11-12-2011 08:10 PM
mama*pisces

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Originally Posted by Peggy O'Mara View Post

I just finished reading the book Freedom Summer about the summer of 1964 and the Civil Rights Movement. It's amazing to see how many things today are parallel to that struggle. Even for something that we now take for granted, like civil rights, in the beginning people who marched, protested, and organized about it were called communists, un-american, dirty hippies, etc. 

 

It is characteristic of any struggle for human rights, whether it be civil rights, voting rights, women's right to vote, the minimum wage, or in this case social and financial equality, that there be violent reaction against it and that some among it will be violent. One of the organizing groups of the Civil Rights Movement gave up non-violence out of frustration. Some will do that today. With this many people speaking out, some will go too far. But, they do not and never will represent the majority. 

 

This should not distract from our discussion of the heart of these occupations. It breaks my heart to hear some of your stories of struggling financially when you have done everything right. I would love to hear us talk about solutions. One thing we lack as a culture right now is a positive and possible view of the future. What does a positive future look like? What kind of future do we want? How will we create it?

 

One idea I can share is to start a website called Direct Democracy. I think we have outgrown Representational Democracy. The internet makes it obsolete. I would see this website being a shadow website of Congress, voting on all the legislation in Congress, writing new legislation and voting on it. Being a parallel government in a symbolic way. This would show more clearly what the people want. We could figure out secure places to vote online. Make ATMS places to vote. Open up voting, like on the TV shows, but secure.

 

Or, should we just do more recalls?

 

I've recently heard good news about several communities: Boulder has just passed a measure to do a feasibility study on solar energy for the city. What about neighborhood electric co-ops run on solar? Portland is picking up people's compost once a week and putting it in one big pile that people can use. And, Chicago has replanted their citywide flowerbeds with vegetables. 

 

What can we each do in our own lives? What can we all do together? 

 

What the Occupy movement has are General Assemblies where people bring ideas to be debated and discussed. Let's have a General Assembly here.


I LOVE these ideas, Peggy! My kids and I went to our first OWS event last night, and I am so glad we did...I have been watching from the sidelines(facebook, basically) since the beginning and have been so full of desire to join them or do SOMEthing, because I completely back this movement, but haven't really known what to do because I'm a SAHM with a 5 and 2 year old, and as someone said above, my plate is so overwhelmingly full already: my husband works a LOT and it is just me and the kids 80% of the time....we have also been really struggling financially the last few months, so even bringing food to Occupy right now is difficult to do, because that food could be leftovers for my family, but I will do whatever I can. The kids and I went last night and marched with them, and I even ran into a mama I know :), and it was a great experience, though we had to cut it short b/c it was getting late and we had to go grab dinner.

One thing, off the top of my head that I think we can do together...I would like to see more moms helping each other, being there for each other. I am alone with my kids so much, and I feel like I am just so completely exhausted, physically but mostly emotionally. I don't feel like we were meant to do this alone, but that is how I feel, a lot. I've already told my husband that the next move we make, has got to be to an Intentional Community, because I want to be somewhere where it's an accepted concept that we are a big family and we help each other out...similar ideals help, of course, which is part of the problem in the area where I live(read: I stick out like a sore thumb). ;) There is a common thread that unites us all, and that is love and mothering. Easy to forget in our everyday encounters, but I wish we could all come back to that basic concept and support each other.

More ideas later... ..

11-11-2011 02:59 PM
Peggy O'Mara

I just finished reading the book Freedom Summer about the summer of 1964 and the Civil Rights Movement. It's amazing to see how many things today are parallel to that struggle. Even for something that we now take for granted, like civil rights, in the beginning people who marched, protested, and organized about it were called communists, un-american, dirty hippies, etc. 

 

It is characteristic of any struggle for human rights, whether it be civil rights, voting rights, women's right to vote, the minimum wage, or in this case social and financial equality, that there be violent reaction against it and that some among it will be violent. One of the organizing groups of the Civil Rights Movement gave up non-violence out of frustration. Some will do that today. With this many people speaking out, some will go too far. But, they do not and never will represent the majority. 

 

This should not distract from our discussion of the heart of these occupations. It breaks my heart to hear some of your stories of struggling financially when you have done everything right. I would love to hear us talk about solutions. One thing we lack as a culture right now is a positive and possible view of the future. What does a positive future look like? What kind of future do we want? How will we create it?

 

One idea I can share is to start a website called Direct Democracy. I think we have outgrown Representational Democracy. The internet makes it obsolete. I would see this website being a shadow website of Congress, voting on all the legislation in Congress, writing new legislation and voting on it. Being a parallel government in a symbolic way. This would show more clearly what the people want. We could figure out secure places to vote online. Make ATMS places to vote. Open up voting, like on the TV shows, but secure.

 

Or, should we just do more recalls?

 

I've recently heard good news about several communities: Boulder has just passed a measure to do a feasibility study on solar energy for the city. What about neighborhood electric co-ops run on solar? Portland is picking up people's compost once a week and putting it in one big pile that people can use. And, Chicago has replanted their citywide flowerbeds with vegetables. 

 

What can we each do in our own lives? What can we all do together? 

 

What the Occupy movement has are General Assemblies where people bring ideas to be debated and discussed. Let's have a General Assembly here.

11-11-2011 09:37 AM
mimim Matt Taibbi is awesome: How I Stopped Worrying and Learned to Love the OWS Protests

11-10-2011 10:15 AM
mamamoo

Sorry, I thought I was trying to do that. Off to edit/delete. :)

 

11-10-2011 09:30 AM
TiredX2

Arduinna and mamamoo--- that aspect of your conversation needs to go to PM if you want to have it.  This thread is for SUPPORT ONLY of the OWS.

11-09-2011 02:54 PM
mamamoo

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11-09-2011 10:39 AM
Arduinna

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Originally Posted by mamamoo View Post

I think it had more to do with the way you brought it up, it was not about support (which was why this thread was started), and it was done in a snarky way. That is what I took from it, and seems like others did too?

 

 


The way I brought it up? Someone posted a general statement of being horrified without any qualifier as to what they were horrified about and I commented that I was horrified to and said why. Regardless some of us realize that "support" does not mean that one has to agree with every action and decision of any group. You've never disagreed with the actions of an elected official you voted for or for the actions of a group member you belong to? I find that hard to believe, and if it's true I say that people need to learn some perspective and step away from polemicism. 

11-08-2011 07:58 PM
mamamoo


Great idea!! I have no idea why I didn't think of that. I can totally drop off some food or something. Thanks!!
 

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have you donated?

 

many groups need items not to mention a simple drop off of food is always needed, making copies of papers are also a big plus---doesn't mean you need to be there to be there



 

11-08-2011 06:10 PM
Imakcerka

of course we all are.  But with everything there just could be some bad and that does not color the whole purpose of the movement.  The Tea party for example had a few altercations but you know what?  They were out there and voicing their concerns.  That is exactly how I saw it.  And I"m glad both movements have taken place.  These are every day people who want more for their lives than the Government and big business is allowing.  Not providing, ALLOWING!  When they're more concerned about their bankroll we need to be more concerned about our people and that means coming here to offer support for those who are on the ground, donating and speaking up.  Again, both movements have had an impact and for that we should all be grateful!
 

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Who's arguing? I would have have thought that everyone at MDC would be against violent protest and violent acts against lawful peaceful protests regardless of the group.



 

11-08-2011 04:08 PM
serenbat

 

 

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I really, really wish I could be there to support the movement. 

 

 

have you donated?

 

many groups need items not to mention a simple drop off of food is always needed, making copies of papers are also a big plus---doesn't mean you need to be there to be there

11-08-2011 07:51 AM
mamamoo

I really, really wish I could be there to support the movement. Our group here that is occupying 24/7 is very small, just a handful of people. I am literally worn out from just living life though and can not even fathom adding one more thing to my plate. I appreciate all those that are out there braving the weather, the opposition, and just standing up for what is right and just.

11-07-2011 03:06 PM
Arduinna

Who's arguing? I would have have thought that everyone at MDC would be against violent protest and violent acts against lawful peaceful protests regardless of the group.

11-07-2011 02:17 PM
mimim If y'all want to argue, my thread in N&CE is waiting: http://www.mothering.com/community/t/1334730/occupy-wall-street#post_16726483


Meanwhile, today in Chicago the occupation joined a group of senior citizens to protest social security and medicare cuts. The protesters decided to block traffic to make their point, so approximately 47 people were arrested, mostly senior citizens. WTF!!!
11-07-2011 12:32 PM
TiredX2

I have chosen to leave the posts above discussing the possible irresposible behavior of OWS protestors.  Please remember, though, that this thread is located in Activism and is SUPPORT ONLY.  While you can be supportive of a movement and still questions components of it, please keep this a thread about positive OWS support.

 

If you would like to discuss the behavior of OWS protestors you can either start a thread in News & Current Events or a different thread in Activism.

 

Thank You.

11-07-2011 05:48 AM
verde

You're correct Arduinna, You did not say they were representative of the whole movement. I agree that the video was horrifying. I trust that you are equally horrified that the police attacked sleeping protesters with batons and teargas and that they have pepper-sprayed peaceful protesters in the face. To me that is incredibly horrifying. 

 

The primary question is this: in the United States of America, where everyone lives under the conditions of The Constitution, are The People allowed the assemble and protest peacefully or not? My understanding of the First Amendment is that the answer is Yes. If so then there is no reason whatsoever for the police to continually feel they must "control" the Occupiers. The Occupiers are more than willing, in fact they are eager, to befriend the police. In some cities they have a perfectly friendly relationship with the protesters. 

 

For anyone who wants to know anything about the Occupy Movement, there is plenty of information available. One of the characteristics of this movement is their openness. They have nothing to hide and they post everything. Go to any of the websites and you'll get all the info you want. 

11-06-2011 08:06 PM
Imakcerka


You don't get off that easy.  Please educate us.

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Originally Posted by Arduinna View Post

Who said they represent the movement as a whole? I didn't say that. I was still appalled at the video I saw on the news. And sorry I was busy today at church and haven't allocated the time to search for online sources for you all. Looks like someone already posted something anyway. 



 

11-06-2011 06:40 PM
Arduinna

Who said they represent the movement as a whole? I didn't say that. I was still appalled at the video I saw on the news. And sorry I was busy today at church and haven't allocated the time to search for online sources for you all. Looks like someone already posted something anyway. 

11-06-2011 06:33 PM
verde

You know Mrs. Mike, the more outrageous and strident the anti- protest denunciations, the more I think "Methinks they doth protest to much." The cause of the rising hysteria is the fact that the conservatives no longer control the national conversation. Thus the Occupiers have already succeeded.

 

I went down to see Occupy DC and had a lovely afternoon. I'm totally impressed with their kitchen and library -- they feed anyone who comes. Anyone.  

 

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The familiar tag line is to mention how much the movement costs the city.

 

My response to this is that if they CHOOSE to spend money on the protesters that is their decision but they are wasting a lot of money because they do not have to spend any money on the protesters. The protesters are overwhelmingly peaceful and have caused no harm; quite the reverse, they are feeding the hungry which is more than many of the municipalities are doing.

 

 

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I'm horrified too, horrified at the the people that were breaking windows, defacing property, taking over buildings, starting fires and causing rampant destruction. 

Yes, Arduinna, I'd like your source for the claim of rampant destruction as well. There were a few people who caused destruction but they do not represent the movement. That would be like saying that people who blow up abortion clinics and murder physicians represent the entire pro-life movement.  The Occupiers themselves have condemned the destruction and plan to do everything they can to remain nonviolent. 

 

I'm excited by the Occupiers and hope to get down for Black Friday.  

 

Re: N&CE -- that used to be a really lively forum but then Mothering changed the rules re: who could post and the forum shrunk to a mere shadow of it's former self.  

11-06-2011 11:36 AM
Imakcerka

sources please... and more than one.  Thank you. 

 

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Originally Posted by Arduinna View Post


 

I'm horrified too, horrified at the the people that were breaking windows, defacing property, taking over buildings, starting fires and causing rampant destruction. 



 

11-06-2011 11:02 AM
mimim The vandalism on Wednesday was done by the Black Bloc presence in Oakland. It looks like their numbers were around 30 to 50 in a group of around 10,000. The Black Bloc is known for creating chaos at demonstrations and is associated with Anarchists.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zz22OvY6FTY&feature=related You can clearly hear the other protesters begging for these actions to be stopped.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5RyEp_eFa4
It's claimed that the fires you see burning here were started to clear out the tear gas used by the OPD.


As far as I know the buildings that were occupied were foreclosed properties that having been sitting vacant for months. I didn't find any documentation of this on Nov. 2, but I remember reading a bit about it happening. I'm in full support of occupying foreclosed and vacant property as a peaceful protest method, because the fraudulent practices that created the mortgage crisis are an excellent symbol of the wider corruption in our system. I disagree with anything bordering on violence, such as breaking windows, etc, but I am incredulous that anyone would focus on damage done to inanimate objects over violence perpetrated by police on peaceful protesters. It's not really surprising that the Black Bloc got so much attention though. That's their intention in using such radical measures.
11-06-2011 10:16 AM
mamamoo

Can you link some news articles about that part of it. I tried googling it but kept coming up with articles about the vetran with the damaged spleen, but nothing about rioting.

11-05-2011 05:17 PM
Arduinna

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Originally Posted by verde View Post

I'm horrified by what happened in Oakland. :( jaw.gif      horrors.gif    Cuss.gif


 

I'm horrified too, horrified at the the people that were breaking windows, defacing property, taking over buildings, starting fires and causing rampant destruction. 

11-05-2011 06:43 AM
mimim The media skewing the message is so frustrating to me too, MrsMike. A frequent comment from detractors as they pass by occupations is "get a job!" What? What job??? That's a huge part of the point. Jobs are scarce and it's primarily because of the inequities in our economic system. The media is really supporting this misrepresentation of the "lazy, dirty, greedy" nature of the protesters.

Anyway, Peggy asked for me to link the thread I started on N&CE, so here it is: Occupy Wall Street. It's not getting any love, but neither is N&CE in general. We should start posting there more often smile.gif


Lots going on in Chicago this weekend, including a family event, some events in outlying neighborhoods, and several teach-ins with really interesting topics. I'm going to spend a bunch of time there, although I'm bummed that I can't bring my kids to the family day, since they will be with their dad.


And for anyone who doesn't already know, today is "Bank Transfer Day". There is a push to move your money from big banks to credit unions or small local banks.
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