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02-01-2013 12:52 PM
serenbat
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So…what happens when seasons are warm in a row?

it means you get inline and take one and don't ask questions winky.gif just in-case!

01-31-2013 11:27 AM
kathymuggle

A quote from the article on climate and flu:

 

"It appears that fewer people contract influenza during warm winters, and this causes a major portion of the population to remain vulnerable into the next season, causing an early and strong emergence,"

 http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2013/01/30/Global-warming-linked-to-worse-flu-seasons/UPI-50661359549293/#ixzz2JaC5a7FM

 

So…what happens when seasons are warm in a row?  Last winter was warm in this area, but this one has been as well.  

 

And …more interestingly…does this suggest that getting the flu (perhaps even the flu shot) might have some carry over potential in terms of immunity for the next year?

01-31-2013 10:15 AM
hxcmama
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Originally Posted by serenbat View Post

http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2013/01/30/Global-warming-linked-to-worse-flu-seasons/UPI-50661359549293/

 

you can now throw this into the mix- another selling point


Wow, SO: warm winters make for bad flu seasons, and cold winters make for bad flu seasons too! You can't ever win, better just get the vaccine.

01-30-2013 10:42 AM
serenbat

http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2013/01/30/Global-warming-linked-to-worse-flu-seasons/UPI-50661359549293/

 

you can now throw this into the mix- another selling point

01-23-2013 12:37 PM
serenbat
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They are supposed to count only lab-confirmed influenza cases--but they count anything and everything, including flu-like viruses, pneumonia (may or may not be secondary to influenza), colds, cough, stomach viruses, food poisoning, and sniffles (when the patient with sniffles insists on going to the dr. or to the ER, insisting that they have flu).

not always! In my area they just had to reverse themselves (hospitable via the dept of health) - they stated an infant had died from flu- turns out they didn't - they are testing - http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/breaking-news/index.ssf/2013/01/lehigh_valley_hospital_infant.html

01-18-2013 12:36 PM
Taximom5
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Originally Posted by nia82 View Post

When they count flu, do they only count confirmed cases or all flu like illnesses? I'm asking because DS brought me some wicked virus home. All kids in his school had very high fevers, chills, chestal congestion, in short all flu symptoms. DS had a minor fever for a couple of days, slept it off, is pretty much fine now, still a bit groggy but ok (day 6 today). I came down with it on Tuesday night, was really sick yesterday with high fevers, chills, nausea, headaches, earaches, sore throat, sore sternum, chestal congestion, lots of mucus from my chest. I went to urgent care to rule out bronchitis and lung involvement. They were quite certain I had the flu. I tested negative for both flu and strep and it was called a nasty flu like virus. My point is, this winter there are some nasty cold viruses out there so if people are diagnosed merely on symptoms, the flu numbers are artificially inflated.

(Btw I think I was hit hard because I have been slacking off on vitamins and due to lots of nausea caused by my instable stomach I am down to 110lbs at 5'6" - that's when I get really sick usually. I'm trying to beef up but it ain't easy).

They are supposed to count only lab-confirmed influenza cases--but they count anything and everything, including flu-like viruses, pneumonia (may or may not be secondary to influenza), colds, cough, stomach viruses, food poisoning, and sniffles (when the patient with sniffles insists on going to the dr. or to the ER, insisting that they have flu).

 

The pharmaceutical industry encourages this, as it panics people into lining up for flu shots, which have been shown to be worthless. Sadly, it also panics the CEOs of health care companies into instituting policies requiring employees to get a flu shot--or get fired.

 

There are forums all over, where people are debating whether or not this is ethical--but somehow, nobody seems to be aware that the flu shot has been deemed ineffective by the Cochrane Review, which is the gold standard of mainstream medical review.

 

Incredibly, they all say things like, "well, 60% effective isn't bad, it's worth it, and there are no risks," not realizing that 60% is the difference between the 1.2% of vaccinated individuals who got the flu, and the 2.7% of unvaccinated individuals who got the flu.  According to the Cochrane Review, 100 people would have to be vaccinated in order to prevent ONE CASE of flu.  Not one death.  ONE CASE.  And the typical benefit to most people who get the flu shot: their flu case might be 1/2 a day shorter.

 

1/2 a day!

 

For a disease that lasts 1-2 WEEKS, 1/2 a day in exchange for the possibility of causing or triggering a lifelong autoimmune disorder or seizure disorder, or any of the other flu shot outcomes the government is now compensating for....

 

And nobody seems to understand that the real question is, is it ethical to even sell a flu shot, let alone mandate one, that is ineffective AND has deadly risks?

01-18-2013 08:47 AM
Marnica
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Originally Posted by JRaper77 View Post

Yes, please, make it stop.  I'm getting constant emails from my employer, bombarded with TV commercials, billboards, local news stories etc.  Just heard that 8 million more people were vaccinated this year than last, and yet this is the 'worst' flu season ever.  Wonder if there's a connection.....Hmmmmmmm????...

Yeah I'm getting the emails at work too. I told the nurse who I work with (I work in mental health) Id be getting the vaccine over my dead body and to quit bugging me about it. Also they say it is the worst flu season in a long time EVERY YEAR!

01-17-2013 07:34 PM
JRaper77

Yes, please, make it stop.  I'm getting constant emails from my employer, bombarded with TV commercials, billboards, local news stories etc.  Just heard that 8 million more people were vaccinated this year than last, and yet this is the 'worst' flu season ever.  Wonder if there's a connection.....Hmmmmmmm????...

01-17-2013 03:17 PM
Chloebelle

Oh gosh, this flu vax stuff just gets more and more bizarre. Wonder how many will be standing in line for this one...

 

Regulators approve new insect-based flu vaccine

 

http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/17/health/fda-flu-vaccine/index.html

01-17-2013 02:33 PM
minerva23
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Originally Posted by Chloebelle View Post

Flu vaccine attitudes abroad differ from U.S.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/17/health/flu-vaccine-policy/?hpt=he_c1

 

 

Thanks for posting this link. From my observations, after the swine-flu hype in 2009 where the media used outrageous scare tactics to get people vaccinated and the big discussion about why our politicians here in Germany got the flu shot without adjuvants while the rest got it with adjuvants and then millions of vaccine doses had to be ditched costing our health care system dearly and it turned out that this type of flu was not so bad. The flu has started over here too, though at present I here mostly about Noro virus outbreaks. We are using cell salts and elderberry juice mostly and a healthy diet.. Should anything come our way, cell salts, herbs and homoepathy will come in handy.

01-17-2013 11:09 AM
nia82

When they count flu, do they only count confirmed cases or all flu like illnesses? I'm asking because DS brought me some wicked virus home. All kids in his school had very high fevers, chills, chestal congestion, in short all flu symptoms. DS had a minor fever for a couple of days, slept it off, is pretty much fine now, still a bit groggy but ok (day 6 today). I came down with it on Tuesday night, was really sick yesterday with high fevers, chills, nausea, headaches, earaches, sore throat, sore sternum, chestal congestion, lots of mucus from my chest. I went to urgent care to rule out bronchitis and lung involvement. They were quite certain I had the flu. I tested negative for both flu and strep and it was called a nasty flu like virus. My point is, this winter there are some nasty cold viruses out there so if people are diagnosed merely on symptoms, the flu numbers are artificially inflated.

(Btw I think I was hit hard because I have been slacking off on vitamins and due to lots of nausea caused by my instable stomach I am down to 110lbs at 5'6" - that's when I get really sick usually. I'm trying to beef up but it ain't easy).

01-17-2013 09:10 AM
Chloebelle

Flu vaccine attitudes abroad differ from U.S.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/17/health/flu-vaccine-policy/?hpt=he_c1

01-17-2013 08:34 AM
Marnica
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Originally Posted by MountainMamaGC View Post

My husband was fine until he worked 2 night shifts. The flu took him down this morning. I think I am going to make him stay home the next 2 nights. If he just loads up on meds and goes to work he is not going to recover as fast.

I have to say this would not be good for him and is extremely unethical. If he knows he has the flu, he has a responsibility to quarantine himself so he does not knowingly spread it to others. He needs to stay home until he has been fever free (without reducers) for at least 24 hours. 

01-16-2013 06:57 PM
Taximom5
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Originally Posted by MountainMamaGC View Post

My husband was fine until he worked 2 night shifts. The flu took him down this morning. I think I am going to make him stay home the next 2 nights. If he just loads up on meds and goes to work he is not going to recover as fast.

If he loads up on meds and goes to work, he will also spread his germs.  

01-16-2013 09:56 AM
MountainMamaGC

My husband was fine until he worked 2 night shifts. The flu took him down this morning. I think I am going to make him stay home the next 2 nights. If he just loads up on meds and goes to work he is not going to recover as fast.

01-16-2013 07:07 AM
Marnica
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Originally Posted by imakecutebabies View Post

I totally hear you. I'm just miserable. I don't remember ever feeling this sick and it sounded like such a luxury to complain about it. The mainstream media is always so annoying and I do feel like the shots probably are what cause so many people to catch it.

Sorry mama. Hang in there. Dose up on the SA - I promise it will make a world of difference! and feel free to complain - we r here for you! 

01-16-2013 05:10 AM
kathymuggle
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Originally Posted by emmy526 View Post

http://www.iom.edu/~/media/Files/Activity%20Files/PublicHealth/MicrobialThreats/Nowak.pdf

 

"recipe for fostering public interest and high vaccine demand"

More bigeyes.gif

 

(if it look a little boring at first, keep skimming, it is quite eye-ball popping).

 

It is hard to believe CDC put their name on a piece which openly admits to generating and using fear to get people to vaccinate...

 

 

 

 

Fostering demand, particularly among people who donít routinely receive an annual influenza vaccination, requires creating concern, anxiety, and worry. For example:

" A perception or sense that many people are fa

01-16-2013 04:30 AM
emmy526

http://www.iom.edu/~/media/Files/Activity%20Files/PublicHealth/MicrobialThreats/Nowak.pdf

 

"recipe for fostering public interest and high vaccine demand"

01-15-2013 06:01 PM
beckybird
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Originally Posted by Adaline'sMama View Post


Wow. I have premature infants that were just released from the nicu and our childrens hospital even has flu tents outside (tents for children to be examined in if you think they have the flu so that you can go into a special entrance and be quarantined if they do). There were no infants getting the flu shot in there- It was made very clear that no babies younger than 6 months could get the vax, even though there were several parents wanting their kid to have because of the hype.


Yes, congratulations on the twins! And they're released from the nicu--that is great news!

01-15-2013 05:38 PM
Adaline'sMama
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Originally Posted by kathymuggle View Post

Holly - congratulations on the babies!!!!

 

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Now I have to stalk your posts over the last week or two to see how you all are doing and what you named the babies.......

 

Fwiw, the post you quoted was about vaccines in general, I don't think it was in relation to the flu vax.

thanks :)

01-15-2013 04:23 PM
emmy526
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Originally Posted by imakecutebabies View Post

So none of you have the flu right, or have a family member currently suffering from it? I've been in bed for three days with my three children, 8, 5, and 1, all sick with influenza. I can barely function, the kids are miserable, my 5 year old woke up throwing up this morning, and I'm nervous about the baby, but I just keep nursing as much as he'll take. We live in NYC amd have never gotten flu shots. My 8 year old contracted the swine flu in 2009. It was very scary. I think you all should be thankful that you are just "sick" of hearing about it. You should probably try to understand that many people are actually very sick though.

sorry to hear that your'e sick..here's to a speedy recovery!  . at any rate, the hype about getting vaxed in order to 'protect everyone' is ludicrous at best, and the media using scare tactics to sway the masses into submission is totally out of control right now.  At least in the northeast it's like that.  Some of us don't want the vaccine,  or are allergic to it, and it just seems as tho the propaganda is shoved down our throats no matter which way we turn our heads.    If they at least offered alternative advice other than just getting vaxed, it wouldn't be so monotonous, but there is no such advice on public announcements, other than to vax, and cover your cough.   

01-15-2013 03:37 PM
kathymuggle

Holly - congratulations on the babies!!!!

 

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Now I have to stalk your posts over the last week or two to see how you all are doing and what you named the babies.......

 

Fwiw, the post you quoted was about vaccines in general, I don't think it was in relation to the flu vax.

01-15-2013 03:19 PM
Adaline'sMama
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Originally Posted by kathymuggle View Post

This reminds me of this line from the PHAC:  (public health Canada)
http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/publicat/cig-gci/p03-05-eng.php



"Premature and very low birthweight infants (i.e., 1500 g) still hospitalized at the time of immunization, however, may experience a transient increase or recurrence of apnea and bradycardia following vaccination…. Given these findings, it is recommended that hospitalized premature infants have continuous cardiac and respiratory monitoring for 48 hours after their first immunization."  jaw2.gif

It is not quite "grow a second head"  - but wouldn't you think that if vaccines cause a premature infant to need continuos cardiac and respiratory monitoring, that delaying might be in order?????

Off topic rant over.

Wow. I have premature infants that were just released from the nicu and our childrens hospital even has flu tents outside (tents for children to be examined in if you think they have the flu so that you can go into a special entrance and be quarantined if they do). There were no infants getting the flu shot in there- It was made very clear that no babies younger than 6 months could get the vax, even though there were several parents wanting their kid to have because of the hype.
01-15-2013 11:30 AM
imakecutebabies And thank you for the tips! It's helpful to think that my body is taking care of me and not let the hype freak me out!
01-15-2013 11:27 AM
imakecutebabies I totally hear you. I'm just miserable. I don't remember ever feeling this sick and it sounded like such a luxury to complain about it. The mainstream media is always so annoying and I do feel like the shots probably are what cause so many people to catch it.
01-15-2013 11:26 AM
Chloebelle
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Originally Posted by imakecutebabies View Post

So none of you have the flu right, or have a family member currently suffering from it? I've been in bed for three days with my three children, 8, 5, and 1, all sick with influenza. I can barely function, the kids are miserable, my 5 year old woke up throwing up this morning, and I'm nervous about the baby, but I just keep nursing as much as he'll take. We live in NYC amd have never gotten flu shots. My 8 year old contracted the swine flu in 2009. It was very scary. I think you all should be thankful that you are just "sick" of hearing about it. You should probably try to understand that many people are actually very sick though.

 



Sorry you're all sick, but I'm sure everyone posting in this thread has had the flu and understands how awful it is to be sick. We all get sick sometimes. That's unfortunate, but it's life. That doesn't mean we subscribe to all the hype surrounding the flu and the relentless push for people to get annual flu shots. That is what this thread is about. Not to disrespect those who get the flu.

01-15-2013 08:08 AM
Marnica
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Originally Posted by imakecutebabies View Post

So none of you have the flu right, or have a family member currently suffering from it? I've been in bed for three days with my three children, 8, 5, and 1, all sick with influenza. I can barely function, the kids are miserable, my 5 year old woke up throwing up this morning, and I'm nervous about the baby, but I just keep nursing as much as he'll take. We live in NYC amd have never gotten flu shots. My 8 year old contracted the swine flu in 2009. It was very scary. I think you all should be thankful that you are just "sick" of hearing about it. You should probably try to understand that many people are actually very sick though.

While I am truly sorry you and your family are unwell, I don't understand why people cannot be entitled to their feelings about the propaganda surrounding the flu and the constant push for flu shots. I don't think any of us here (and yes there are a couple people posting who are sick currently or have had the flu recently or have had family members sickened) are under the illusion that the flu is not actually doing around and that there are not quite a few people who have come down with the flu. One has nothing to do with the other. The flu sucks. I *understand*  that it sickens many people every year. I still get tired of the propaganda - mostly because the flu shot is not very effective. 

 

With that said, my tip for you would be to dose SA to bowel tolerance for all of you including the baby (yes its safe). I wish you all a speedy recovery. hug2.gif

01-15-2013 07:53 AM
kathymuggle

Sorry your family is unwell, imakecutebabies.  hug.gif

 

Is any adult in your house well?

 

I had the flu last year at the same time as my youngest.  My youngest is prone to chest infections (and she did indeed get one after the flu).  It was really hard to take care of her while I was so under the weather myself.  I don't know if I would have been able to avoid her getting a chest infection if I had been on top of my game, but the reality was I wasn't.  It's hard.

 

If I were sick and trying to take care of sick people, I would focus on the basics - making sure they are hydrated, and not lethargic.

 

I would press liquids onto them frequently,  and I would monitor for high fever/ lethargy combo. For the baby I would monitor diaper output.   Glassy-eyed is always a bad sign around here.  If anyone seems really unwell (including you!) I would go to a clinic or hospital, or if it did not seem that bad, I would call a loved one to come and help me deal with the situation.  Your partner if he is well seems the ideal choice (even if he has to take some time off of work).  

 

If you are up for it, make a big soup with as much garlic and ginger as the kids will tolerate.

 

If you have a bit more energy and are into natural health supplement, I would consider Vit A, C and D for flu.  I would also consider Elderberry and maybe echinaccea.  You need to do the research and figure out the dose per age and if they are safe while nursing.

 

good luck!

01-15-2013 07:18 AM
imakecutebabies I was hoping to find some mothering tips to help me through this...
01-15-2013 07:16 AM
imakecutebabies So none of you have the flu right, or have a family member currently suffering from it? I've been in bed for three days with my three children, 8, 5, and 1, all sick with influenza. I can barely function, the kids are miserable, my 5 year old woke up throwing up this morning, and I'm nervous about the baby, but I just keep nursing as much as he'll take. We live in NYC amd have never gotten flu shots. My 8 year old contracted the swine flu in 2009. It was very scary. I think you all should be thankful that you are just "sick" of hearing about it. You should probably try to understand that many people are actually very sick though.
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