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Today 05:49 PM
serenbat
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Originally Posted by Mirzam View Post
WOW off a left wing, anti-vaccine fringe site promoting hoaxes! CNN?!



Reminder folks - call & write - there is an election coming up too here in the states! MAKE your VOICE heard nice and loud!
Today 10:01 AM
Mirzam http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-1182093
Today 07:44 AM
samaxtics Here's the complaint: http://www.rescuepost.com/files/ori-complaint_rev_1.pdf
Today 07:44 AM
samaxtics
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Originally Posted by EMRguy View Post
So what now? waiting game...
Redirection probably. "look over there...ebola!"
Today 07:40 AM
EMRguy So what now? waiting game...
Today 07:36 AM
samaxtics How Involved is the CDC Whistleblower?
http://www.ageofautism.com/2014/10/h...tleblower.html

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One of the biggest ones (piece of info) is that Dr. Thompson had not only provided the original data set to Dr. Brian hooker, but reviewed and approved Dr. Hooker’s reanalysis paper also.
my addition in brackets

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It was also noticed that the paper (Hooker's) is now available on the Translational Neurology website with a simple note at the top about the retraction. The website also has a nice red button that states it as one of the most accessed papers on their website, which seems odd for a retracted piece.
my addition in brackets

A text from Thompson to Wakefield:

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“We are in the drivers [sic] seat now that Frank has lied30 in his interview with cnn [sic]. I am going to pursue this internally at the CDC.”(3)
Sure doesn't sound like Thompson isn't working with Hooker and Wakefield.
Today 05:57 AM
samaxtics You can read about the complaint that was filed here: http://www.ageofautism.com/2014/10/t...mer-falls.html

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Two specific groups were the subject of this concealment: African-American males, and a group the CDC termed "isolated autism" (children with no co-morbid developmental disorder such as mental retardation, cerebral palsy, hearing or vision problems, epilepsy, or birth defect) or what the rest of the honest world would generally call "normally developing children."
For African American males:
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MMR vaccination prior to 36 months - 3.36 fold increase in the risk of autism.
For the "isolated autism" group:
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MMR vaccination prior to 36 months - 3.86 fold increase in the risk of autism.
Yesterday 01:18 PM
Taximom5
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Originally Posted by Chicharronita View Post
Is this the same person as lielady, R.N. BS? Yep, hilarious.
Yes, I left off the e. Just went back and corrected it, thanks!
Yesterday 12:53 PM
EMRguy Found this: http://www.autisminvestigated.com/br...rds-wakefield/
“A complaint will be filed against the CDC in the Office of Research Integrity. The complaint is based on the whistleblower information”
Yesterday 12:20 PM
Chicharronita
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Originally Posted by Taximom5 View Post



Totally off topic, but somehow, you reminded me of this: have you seen some of lilady's recent comments on Disqus-powered comment sections? She posts as "lilady,R.N." Someone with the screen name "lilady,R.N.BS" has been following her, and posting spoofs of lilady's posts, and they're the funniest things I've ever seen. It's like the internet comments version of Charlie Chaplin in "The Great Dictator." I'm giggling just thinking about it.
Is this the same person as lielady, R.N. BS? Yep, hilarious.
Yesterday 11:01 AM
samaxtics You have to admit they are good. When liliady speaks you can't see Brian Deer's lips moving.
Yesterday 10:41 AM
EMRguy [quote=Taximom5;18137626]
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Originally Posted by samaxtics View Post

he posts as "lilady,R.N." Someone with the screen name "lilady,R.N.BS" .
Yesterday 10:32 AM
Taximom5 [quote=samaxtics;17993857]
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Originally Posted by Mirzam View Post
Congressman Bill Posey has 100,000 documents that #CDCWhistleblower William Thompson has handed over.



Dear Mirzam,

Those are Ikea catalogues.

Signed,
Not Orac


Totally off topic, but somehow, you reminded me of this: have you seen some of lilady's recent comments on Disqus-powered comment sections? She posts as "lilady,R.N." Someone with the screen name "lielady,R.N.BS" has been following her, and posting spoofs of lilady's posts, and they're the funniest things I've ever seen. It's like the internet comments version of Charlie Chaplin in "The Great Dictator." I'm giggling just thinking about it.
Yesterday 10:26 AM
MyFillingQuiver
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Originally Posted by samaxtics View Post
I'll save some people the keystrokes... "It's fake, whatever it is".

The data in question isn't really data because the meta-analysis was conducted by data/statisticians who were data overriding the data that wasn't found to be autistic in nature.

In other words, it is a conspiracy. There is nothing to be concerned about. Simply nothing.
Yesterday 09:57 AM
EMRguy
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Originally Posted by samaxtics View Post
I'll save some people the keystrokes... "It's fake, whatever it is".

Voices for vaccine said so.
Yesterday 09:55 AM
samaxtics I'll save some people the keystrokes... "It's fake, whatever it is".

Yesterday 09:21 AM
Mirzam More coming out on #CDCWhistleBlower tomorrow according to Andy Wakefield.

09-12-2014 12:50 PM
MyFillingQuiver Best overview I have read.

Thank you!
09-12-2014 12:28 PM
Mirzam #CDCwhistleblower timeline - everything in one place.

http://www.omsj.org/authors/thompson-timeline/2
09-08-2014 10:52 AM
Mirzam
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Originally Posted by samaxtics View Post


Dear Mirzam,

Those are Ikea catalogues.

Signed,
Not Orac
09-08-2014 10:43 AM
samaxtics [QUOTE=Mirzam;17993833]Congressman Bill Posey has 100,000 documents that #CDCWhistleblower William Thompson has handed over.



Dear Mirzam,

Those are Ikea catalogues.

Signed,
Not Orac
09-08-2014 10:37 AM
Mirzam Congressman Bill Posey has 100,000 documents that #CDCWhistleblower William Thompson has handed over.

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According to Congressman Posey’s spokesman, George Cecala, “I can confirm that we have received a very large number of documents and we are going through those documents now. There are a lot of them, so it will take some time.” Cecala could not say exactly how many documents are in possession of the Congressman’s staff though sources tell me that as many as 100,000 documents have been handed over.
http://benswann.com/update-congressm...wer-documents/
09-05-2014 07:34 AM
Mirzam Charting the fraud at the CDC

http://www.ashotoftruth.org/blog/tho...search-project

09-04-2014 07:36 PM
bethross
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Originally Posted by serenbat View Post
for those who didn't see this - or care to know - http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/blog...accine-debate/ -

there is a written statement some might want to read
Thank you so much for sharing this! It is very well written.
09-04-2014 10:49 AM
serenbat
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Originally Posted by teacozy View Post

@Kathy If Thompson has evidence that this is more than just a disagreement among colleagues and that the CDC covered up data or lied, he should provide it. I haven't seen a shred of evidence thus far to support that. Like I said in a previous comment, he even states in his press release that honest "reasonable" scientists can have different opinions about what should be included in a study. I don't think that was just a random, thrown in there irrelevant statement. He made that clear for a reason.

Further, the CDC has made the full data set available for any scientist or researcher to do as they see fit with. That's pretty transparent laughlaughof them don't you agree?
I don't speak for Kathy (has she does a GREAT job herself!!)

I do hope you can do some catch up - I feel this is a "good read" - http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/blog...accine-debate/

......and I'm sure you don't care, but I totally disagree with your assessment.

"he should PROVE it" - I wish to hear it in a Congressional Hearing! Did everyone call & email!!!!!!! Tell your friends too!!!!
09-04-2014 10:20 AM
samaxtics
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Originally Posted by Deborah View Post
When reactions occur they are called normal. The only reactions I've seen admitted lately are extreme allergic reactions.
That reminds me of the "purple crying campaign". Where if an adult cried/screamed inconsolably, arching their back and then passing out for hours their spouse would call an ambulance. But if a baby does it, NORMAL!!!!
09-04-2014 10:20 AM
applejuice
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I will say that, back then, there was absolutely NOTHING in the news on vaccine reactions.
Being a lifelong non-vaxer, I have always seen vaccine news in the media. In the 1950s, I recall County trucks driving up and down residential streets to announce local polio vaccination centers and the Cutter Incident.

In the 1960s, I remember people cheering the measles vaccine in 1967; I recall classmates lining up at the nurses' office for smallpox vaccinations; I recall a 4-in-one vaccine that caused many problems - quadrigen.

In the 1970s, as a grad student, I never dated anyone who got the swine flu vaccine. I had my priorities!

In the 1980s, I listened to Dr. Mendelsohn and NVIC regarding vaccines on television and the radio. I was a young mother who was cautious about my children's vaccine status and I kept a copy of the law with me when I enrolled them in school - public, private, religious, and home.

In the 1990s, I became aware of the autism explosion and saw my classrooms fill with these children. I learned about DAN! doctors. The newsletter at Mrs. Gooch's had lots of articles about treating autism with vitamins and detox.

The truth is out there. I am being honest.
09-04-2014 10:19 AM
MyFillingQuiver
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Originally Posted by Taximom5 View Post
Well, I expect that they would think similarly to how my husband and I thought, when our kids had a reaction.

We weren't so much "extremely pro-vax" as we were naive and trusting, as we assumed that every vaccine was necessary, safe, and effective. And we were told over and over that "vaccines don't DO that," so at first, we believed that the reaction WAS a coincidence.

And so was the next one. Because it was s different reaction, different child, different age, different set of vaccines

And the next...well, then we AND the pediatrician said, "WAIT A MINUTE. This is no longer a coincidence."

I will say that, back then, there was absolutely NOTHING in the news on vaccine reactions. At the very beginning, too, we weren't on line at home. I guess that's kind of a flimsy excuse for not realizing that we WERE looking at vaccine reactions...but what excuse can people possibly have now, except that they are in such extreme denial, it's like being a member of a cult.

And when we think of it that way, it does make sense. No wonder we can't convince anyone to listen to us. Have you ever tried to reason with someone who was the member of a cult?
Wow, I'm so sorry for your experience! It makes sense. I'm so happy you have come out of that..I don't know your full story, but I hope your children are doing well, and that the harm that came to them wasn't extensive.

Blessings
09-04-2014 09:57 AM
teacozy Took a short break for a few days and haven't read all the responses yet.

@Kathy If Thompson has evidence that this is more than just a disagreement among colleagues and that the CDC covered up data or lied, he should provide it. I haven't seen a shred of evidence thus far to support that. Like I said in a previous comment, he even states in his press release that honest "reasonable" scientists can have different opinions about what should be included in a study. I don't think that was just a random, thrown in there irrelevant statement. He made that clear for a reason.

Further, the CDC has made the full data set available for any scientist or researcher to do as they see fit with. That's pretty transparent of them don't you agree?
09-04-2014 09:04 AM
Taximom5
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Originally Posted by MyFillingQuiver View Post
Yes...and for those who are extremely pro-vax..what happens when their child has a reaction? Do they believe in the safety and efficiecy of shots so much that they wouldn't call it a reaction? Would they also deny it exists with their own child? Attribute it to coincidence? Sadly, probably so. The fact that so many reactions go unreported seems to speak to that.
Well, I expect that they would think similarly to how my husband and I thought, when our kids had a reaction.

We weren't so much "extremely pro-vax" as we were naive and trusting, as we assumed that every vaccine was necessary, safe, and effective. And we were told over and over that "vaccines don't DO that," so at first, we believed that the reaction WAS a coincidence.

And so was the next one. Because it was s different reaction, different child, different age, different set of vaccines

And the next...well, then we AND the pediatrician said, "WAIT A MINUTE. This is no longer a coincidence."

I will say that, back then, there was absolutely NOTHING in the news on vaccine reactions. At the very beginning, too, we weren't on line at home. I guess that's kind of a flimsy excuse for not realizing that we WERE looking at vaccine reactions...but what excuse can people possibly have now, except that they are in such extreme denial, it's like being a member of a cult.

And when we think of it that way, it does make sense. No wonder we can't convince anyone to listen to us. Have you ever tried to reason with someone who was the member of a cult?
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