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09-12-2014 12:50 PM
MyFillingQuiver Best overview I have read.

Thank you!
09-12-2014 12:28 PM
Mirzam #CDCwhistleblower timeline - everything in one place.

http://www.omsj.org/authors/thompson-timeline/2
09-08-2014 10:52 AM
Mirzam
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Originally Posted by samaxtics View Post


Dear Mirzam,

Those are Ikea catalogues.

Signed,
Not Orac
09-08-2014 10:43 AM
samaxtics [QUOTE=Mirzam;17993833]Congressman Bill Posey has 100,000 documents that #CDCWhistleblower William Thompson has handed over.



Dear Mirzam,

Those are Ikea catalogues.

Signed,
Not Orac
09-08-2014 10:37 AM
Mirzam Congressman Bill Posey has 100,000 documents that #CDCWhistleblower William Thompson has handed over.

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According to Congressman Posey’s spokesman, George Cecala, “I can confirm that we have received a very large number of documents and we are going through those documents now. There are a lot of them, so it will take some time.” Cecala could not say exactly how many documents are in possession of the Congressman’s staff though sources tell me that as many as 100,000 documents have been handed over.
http://benswann.com/update-congressm...wer-documents/
09-05-2014 07:34 AM
Mirzam Charting the fraud at the CDC

http://www.ashotoftruth.org/blog/tho...search-project

09-04-2014 07:36 PM
bethross
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Originally Posted by serenbat View Post
for those who didn't see this - or care to know - http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/blog...accine-debate/ -

there is a written statement some might want to read
Thank you so much for sharing this! It is very well written.
09-04-2014 10:49 AM
serenbat
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Originally Posted by teacozy View Post

@Kathy If Thompson has evidence that this is more than just a disagreement among colleagues and that the CDC covered up data or lied, he should provide it. I haven't seen a shred of evidence thus far to support that. Like I said in a previous comment, he even states in his press release that honest "reasonable" scientists can have different opinions about what should be included in a study. I don't think that was just a random, thrown in there irrelevant statement. He made that clear for a reason.

Further, the CDC has made the full data set available for any scientist or researcher to do as they see fit with. That's pretty transparent laughlaughof them don't you agree?
I don't speak for Kathy (has she does a GREAT job herself!!)

I do hope you can do some catch up - I feel this is a "good read" - http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/blog...accine-debate/

......and I'm sure you don't care, but I totally disagree with your assessment.

"he should PROVE it" - I wish to hear it in a Congressional Hearing! Did everyone call & email!!!!!!! Tell your friends too!!!!
09-04-2014 10:20 AM
samaxtics
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Originally Posted by Deborah View Post
When reactions occur they are called normal. The only reactions I've seen admitted lately are extreme allergic reactions.
That reminds me of the "purple crying campaign". Where if an adult cried/screamed inconsolably, arching their back and then passing out for hours their spouse would call an ambulance. But if a baby does it, NORMAL!!!!
09-04-2014 10:20 AM
applejuice
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I will say that, back then, there was absolutely NOTHING in the news on vaccine reactions.
Being a lifelong non-vaxer, I have always seen vaccine news in the media. In the 1950s, I recall County trucks driving up and down residential streets to announce local polio vaccination centers and the Cutter Incident.

In the 1960s, I remember people cheering the measles vaccine in 1967; I recall classmates lining up at the nurses' office for smallpox vaccinations; I recall a 4-in-one vaccine that caused many problems - quadrigen.

In the 1970s, as a grad student, I never dated anyone who got the swine flu vaccine. I had my priorities!

In the 1980s, I listened to Dr. Mendelsohn and NVIC regarding vaccines on television and the radio. I was a young mother who was cautious about my children's vaccine status and I kept a copy of the law with me when I enrolled them in school - public, private, religious, and home.

In the 1990s, I became aware of the autism explosion and saw my classrooms fill with these children. I learned about DAN! doctors. The newsletter at Mrs. Gooch's had lots of articles about treating autism with vitamins and detox.

The truth is out there. I am being honest.
09-04-2014 10:19 AM
MyFillingQuiver
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Originally Posted by Taximom5 View Post
Well, I expect that they would think similarly to how my husband and I thought, when our kids had a reaction.

We weren't so much "extremely pro-vax" as we were naive and trusting, as we assumed that every vaccine was necessary, safe, and effective. And we were told over and over that "vaccines don't DO that," so at first, we believed that the reaction WAS a coincidence.

And so was the next one. Because it was s different reaction, different child, different age, different set of vaccines

And the next...well, then we AND the pediatrician said, "WAIT A MINUTE. This is no longer a coincidence."

I will say that, back then, there was absolutely NOTHING in the news on vaccine reactions. At the very beginning, too, we weren't on line at home. I guess that's kind of a flimsy excuse for not realizing that we WERE looking at vaccine reactions...but what excuse can people possibly have now, except that they are in such extreme denial, it's like being a member of a cult.

And when we think of it that way, it does make sense. No wonder we can't convince anyone to listen to us. Have you ever tried to reason with someone who was the member of a cult?
Wow, I'm so sorry for your experience! It makes sense. I'm so happy you have come out of that..I don't know your full story, but I hope your children are doing well, and that the harm that came to them wasn't extensive.

Blessings
09-04-2014 09:57 AM
teacozy Took a short break for a few days and haven't read all the responses yet.

@Kathy If Thompson has evidence that this is more than just a disagreement among colleagues and that the CDC covered up data or lied, he should provide it. I haven't seen a shred of evidence thus far to support that. Like I said in a previous comment, he even states in his press release that honest "reasonable" scientists can have different opinions about what should be included in a study. I don't think that was just a random, thrown in there irrelevant statement. He made that clear for a reason.

Further, the CDC has made the full data set available for any scientist or researcher to do as they see fit with. That's pretty transparent of them don't you agree?
09-04-2014 09:04 AM
Taximom5
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Originally Posted by MyFillingQuiver View Post
Yes...and for those who are extremely pro-vax..what happens when their child has a reaction? Do they believe in the safety and efficiecy of shots so much that they wouldn't call it a reaction? Would they also deny it exists with their own child? Attribute it to coincidence? Sadly, probably so. The fact that so many reactions go unreported seems to speak to that.
Well, I expect that they would think similarly to how my husband and I thought, when our kids had a reaction.

We weren't so much "extremely pro-vax" as we were naive and trusting, as we assumed that every vaccine was necessary, safe, and effective. And we were told over and over that "vaccines don't DO that," so at first, we believed that the reaction WAS a coincidence.

And so was the next one. Because it was s different reaction, different child, different age, different set of vaccines

And the next...well, then we AND the pediatrician said, "WAIT A MINUTE. This is no longer a coincidence."

I will say that, back then, there was absolutely NOTHING in the news on vaccine reactions. At the very beginning, too, we weren't on line at home. I guess that's kind of a flimsy excuse for not realizing that we WERE looking at vaccine reactions...but what excuse can people possibly have now, except that they are in such extreme denial, it's like being a member of a cult.

And when we think of it that way, it does make sense. No wonder we can't convince anyone to listen to us. Have you ever tried to reason with someone who was the member of a cult?
09-04-2014 09:02 AM
Deborah When reactions occur they are called normal. The only reactions I've seen admitted lately are extreme allergic reactions.
09-04-2014 08:11 AM
MyFillingQuiver
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Originally Posted by serenbat View Post
cough, cough, ah...... Vaccine Damage Deniers

remember, reaction DO happen, SUPER SUPER rare and ....... just not to ANYONE - according to some! Sometime I would love to know who actually according to these Deniers actually has the rare reaction they CLAIM do happen yet can't ever acknowledge - and a number would be nice too! ..............asking for the moon? and seeming nothing but "start" spreading crap around!!
Yes...and for those who are extremely pro-vax..what happens when their child has a reaction? Do they believe in the safety and efficiecy of shots so much that they wouldn't call it a reaction? Would they also deny it exists with their own child? Attribute it to coincidence? Sadly, probably so. The fact that so many reactions go unreported seems to speak to that.
09-04-2014 08:04 AM
serenbat
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Originally Posted by samaxtics View Post
I can't help but think that the reason a system like VAERS is so unreliable is intentional: The authorities get to claim adverse effects are "rare".
cough, cough, ah...... Vaccine Damage Deniers

remember, reaction DO happen, SUPER SUPER rare and ....... just not to ANYONE - according to some! Sometime I would love to know who actually according to these Deniers actually has the rare reaction they CLAIM do happen yet can't ever acknowledge - and a number would be nice too! ..............asking for the moon? and seeming nothing but "start" spreading crap around!!
09-04-2014 07:43 AM
Deborah Yes, however, when the pro-vaccine boast that the system is unreliable, they never seem to realize what else they are saying. Weird blind-spot.
09-04-2014 07:29 AM
samaxtics I can't help but think that the reason a system like VAERS is so unreliable is intentional: The authorities get to claim adverse effects are "rare".
09-04-2014 06:55 AM
Deborah What I find most chilling is that the vaccine defenders I encounter online NEVER admit that any particular person is accurate when they report a vaccine reaction. They'll say something like this: "vaccine reactions do occur, but they are extremely rare." And then they will dismiss the actual vaccine reaction being reported as something else. Like a coincidence.
09-03-2014 09:10 PM
Taximom5
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Originally Posted by beckybird View Post
Serenbat, that was a fantastic article! I enjoyed every bit of it. Here is more proof of media censorship when it comes to vaccines....as we are seeing now, the media is covering this whistleblower scandal, but not in the proper way. I don't consider it true coverage at all.

“There are groups out there that insist that vaccines are responsible for a variety of problems despite all scientific evidence to the contrary. We have reached out to media outlets to try to get them to not give the views of these people equal weight in their reporting to what science has shown and continues to show about the safety of vaccines,” Kathleen Sebelius [former head of HHS] for Readers Digest interview with Arthur Allen February 5, 2010.


I find that statement from Kathleen Sebelius to be absolutely chilling.

Of course there is evidence that vaccines are responsible for a variety of problems. We don't even have to include autism (and she didn't, in that statement). She is basically claiming that vaccines don't cause ANY problems. Ever. And that the government is reaching out to media outlets to shut up anyone who claims otherwise.

Meanwhile, the HHS she was head of was paying out millions of dollars to people for whom vaccines caused....a variety of problems.
09-03-2014 08:29 PM
MyFillingQuiver Wonderful article!

My favorite quote from the article:

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The CDC’s own website acknowledges that there are side effects to vaccines. One side effect of vaccines is Guillane Barre Syndrome. The fact that seizures are one acknowledged vaccine side effect and over 30% of autistic children have seizures should be at least investigated, shouldn’t it? Many parents of autistic children report seizures after the MMR.
09-03-2014 07:31 PM
beckybird Serenbat, that was a fantastic article! I enjoyed every bit of it. Here is more proof of media censorship when it comes to vaccines....as we are seeing now, the media is covering this whistleblower scandal, but not in the proper way. I don't consider it true coverage at all.

“There are groups out there that insist that vaccines are responsible for a variety of problems despite all scientific evidence to the contrary. We have reached out to media outlets to try to get them to not give the views of these people equal weight in their reporting to what science has shown and continues to show about the safety of vaccines,” Kathleen Sebelius [former head of HHS] for Readers Digest interview with Arthur Allen February 5, 2010.
09-03-2014 06:23 PM
serenbat for those who didn't see this - or care to know - http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/blog...accine-debate/ -

there is a written statement some might want to read
09-03-2014 05:35 PM
Deborah Smells like desperation to me.
09-03-2014 02:34 PM
Mirzam NBC Today Show doing their bit for the CDC. They were supposed to have Kate Tieje, Modern Alternative Mama blogger, the topic was supposed to be parents who choose not to vaccinate. At the last minute they cancelled Kate and instead had a doctor representing the AAP. You can imagine what the result was!

Here is an ireport on the story.

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-1167305
09-03-2014 02:07 PM
applejuice Here in LALA land, there are four talkradio AM stations. Two of them had discussions with local media doctors discussing the high exemption rates in kindergarten in different counties here in the land of fruits and nuts. The tone was that it is the herd immunity that supports our good health but outbreaks will occur if the rates drop below 92%. Discussions surrounded the fact that all you silly millenialists do not remember iron lungs or leg braces so you think your high education and income will save you from all those terrible diseases that ravaged past generations.

I am one babyboomer who remembers the Cutter Incident. Quadrigen and the swine flu fiasco. My first grade classroom had 57 students with one teacher and no aides. We listened and did our work. There were no ADD, ADHD, or autistic students. There was one asthmatic and one student had a leg brace - from her polio shot!

Apparently the media is figuring out a way to cover the CDC whistleblower problem by simply complaining about all you silly nudniks who are questioning vaccines.
09-02-2014 05:59 PM
Deborah
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Originally Posted by samaxtics View Post
Furiously texting your stock broker to dump your Pharma stocks whilst being interviewed on the land line makes for a very disjointed call.
Good point. I follow the business press, which usually picks up on vaccine regulatory stories (for example, they were the ONLY news sources that noted the Merck mumps MMR whistleblower story) and I have not seen the Thompson story there, either. Which means that CDC folks can unload their stock before the general panic hits.
09-02-2014 05:55 PM
samaxtics
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Originally Posted by littlec View Post
"Um, yeah, like, you know, um, yeah." That's all I could see in the transcript. He seriously looks like he has no idea what he is talking about. It reads like a teenager is being interviewed. I am not trying to be unnecessarily inflammatory, but the man could not put together one cohesive, intelligent statement in that interview.
Furiously texting your stock broker to dump your Pharma stocks whilst being interviewed on the land line makes for a very disjointed call.
09-02-2014 05:05 PM
serenbat
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Originally Posted by Deborah View Post
I've been wondering why the CDC is depending on bloggers to argue their "case." That might be why. Incoherence.
Com on now! Let's remember this isn't even a story! Last week people, it was just nothing! Look back at the post in the first few pages of this thread

Poor CDC head, he was in Africa and has to come home to this........this nothing of a story that every "expert" on the PRO vaccine side is logging daily hours into posting on!!!!!!!!

I love hearing about how this is NOTHING especially from a lawyer with NO medical anything! Some people must never sleep! and get reports on EVERY story out there to post on!!!!!!!!! I love it!!!!!!!!

Penn and Teller where are you??!!!
09-02-2014 04:39 PM
Deborah
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Originally Posted by littlec View Post
"Um, yeah, like, you know, um, yeah." That's all I could see in the transcript. He seriously looks like he has no idea what he is talking about. It reads like a teenager is being interviewed. I am not trying to be unnecessarily inflammatory, but the man could not put together one cohesive, intelligent statement in that interview.
I've been wondering why the CDC is depending on bloggers to argue their "case." That might be why. Incoherence.
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