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08-17-2004 03:04 PM
mum2tori The first batch of wipes that I made (3 years ago ) where one side flannel and one side cotton terry. I didn't have acces to a serger then, so I turned and topstitched them. They were nice but the flannel gets worn looking and feeling quickly. And this was quality superflannel from a quilting store too. I did a couple of them with just doing a tight zig-zag stitch and they still had lots of fray. Those fell apart after about a year. The others we still have. Then when I was pregnant with Jack I got a couple of freebie wipes from Colleen of and I *think* they were Kissaluvs wipes. They are a single layer of Burley Knit Terry serged. They are awesome. They stay soft but have that bit of nubby to be able to scrub a bit too. I bought a couple of yards of BKT and my mom and I chopped it up and she sergered them for me. It was one of our "projects" that she did right after Jack was born.

I only like to use velour for faces. Especially poor widdle noses. They don't "grip" very well when you are trying to get the poop off IMO. I don't like fleece at all, hemp fleece is okay but again I usually will use those for other kinds of wipes.

Biggest recommendation for wipes... make them BIG. 8x8 or 8x9 (my preferance) there is nothing worse than trying to handle a massive poo with a 4x5 wipe. :LOL The whole time you are trying to not get it all over your hand too and usually failing. : : BIG WIPE! The only thing little wipes like 4x5 are good for is noses. Especially when they are little, don't like to freak them out with a massive wipe that makes the head disappear. :LOL They also work well for the toddler age, not too big for them to work with either.

There are several threads over in the diapering forum in the last week about what wipes do people like best.
08-17-2004 01:47 PM
cottonwood I made up some wipes using flannel, and they're okay. I just pseudo-serged the edges. I really prefer a little nubbly texture, though, anybody know where to get good fabric like that that won't curl up? (I bought some fleece wipes at little lounging lizards that curled horribly. )
08-17-2004 01:31 PM
JenInMpls Christi we have the exact same problem in our household, Jo is extremely sensitive to dyes and perfumes (esp perfumes) and so we have to use special laundry detergent. We started out with one called Equator but have since switched to Bi-o-kleen. It works extremely well in our front-loader, starts out smelling citrusy because of the orange oils and grapefruit seed extract in it, but leaves absolutely no scent whatsoever. No kidding! Jo would have given me an earful if it had! It is widely recommended on cloth diapering sites because it is gentle and has no borates which supposedly eat up the fabric. It also does an extremely good job, the only thing that didn't come out using it was peach juice (on my white preggo t-shirt, figures, doesn't it, I've ruined so many white t-shirts eating peaches!) but I also forgot to pre-treat it.

After buying a starter kit from (they have a trial pack of detergent, oxygen bleach and enzyme treatment - I also highly recommend the enzyme treatment bac-out, it does a bang-up job on stains), we took a big (expensive!) plunge and bought a 50-lb box of premium powder and a 5-gal pail of bac-out from - through her you can get it drop-shipped directly from bi-o-kleen and pay no shipping charges! - and now we figure we are set for a little while at least - the 50-lb box will do over 1000 loads, since we use it one tablespoon at a time!! The cost looked ridiculous at first but when we calculated the cost for detergent per load if we bought 50 lbs at a time, it made complete sense because it was down to something like 9 cents a load. The 5 lb box was 14 cents per load. Ended up being a savings of around $50 plus shipping costs per 5-lb box.

Anyway, enough math, I can strongly recommend Bi-o-kleen products to you! And the kit on the earthbaby site can give you a good start with it and you can see if you like it, but I bet you will.


ps: if I had a sewing machine, I would buy flannel, cut it into squares, hem the edges, sew it onto a washcloth on 3 sides and then turn it inside out to have a little diaper wipe mitt. I've heard that the nubby side is good for cleaning off and the flannel side good for a last swipe. Alas, I have ABSOLUTELY NO DESIRE to sew wipes by hand.
08-17-2004 01:00 PM
banana girl
Originally Posted by adventuregirl
So I bought flannel for wipes, now what? It looks like it will fray, so I'll need to sew up the edges after cutting. Then I was thinking that 2-ply would be really nice, is that just way more work than I need to do? Tell me your flannel wipe making stories.
I haven't started yet, but am intending to use old towels and soft flannel. So, I will cut out peices of flannel and of towel.... match them up and use a tight zig zag stitch around the edges. You could use a serger if you have it! This way, one side is flannel the other is like a wash rag. I'm trying to be cheap about it!
08-17-2004 12:35 PM
adventuregirl Christi, I am planning on using Bio-Kleen for dipes, I've heard it reccomended, but I have no real experience.

So I bought flannel for wipes, now what? It looks like it will fray, so I'll need to sew up the edges after cutting. Then I was thinking that 2-ply would be really nice, is that just way more work than I need to do? Tell me your flannel wipe making stories.
08-16-2004 03:12 PM
Robertsgirl Ok, I know this has been mentioned sporadically here, but I'm dense and haven't made up my mind yet. What kind of detergent do you guys use to wash your dipes in? We use an all natural enviro friendly for our clothes now. I want to use something natural and as gentle as possible because Robert has massive skin issues and reacts to anything remotely harsh. I'm hoping if I start out natural with Spud that he/she won't develop Daddy's skin issues. Any suggestions? I've heard that the all natural detergents aren't good for dipes???

Thanks guys!
08-14-2004 12:57 AM
mum2tori Great changing areas!! I have plans to work on that this weekend.

About wetbags...

I use Bummi bags. I've gotten most of mine through SWAPs but can highly recommend Colleen at She's awesome to get "basics" from. She also carries lots of other great products. I have a couple of the Small bags (blue) that I use for diaper bags. They hold a couple large diapers so they work well for us when we are out and about. I try to carry two in case I need to change Tori's pants if she has an accident (which is getting very rare, we have a Bjorn mini pottyseat in the truck for those "emergencies"). I have 4 X-Large (purple) bags that I use in the diaperpails. I have 2 for each pail. Tori and Jack each have their own pails in their rooms. Tori's only gets her night diaper anymore... which we are going to start trying to use panties at night next week (wish us luck ). I just found it was easiest for me to have 2 bags per pail. One would go into the machine with the diapers and the other could go into the pail. Because inevitably the diaper RIGHT after diapers go into the wash... is a "stinky". :LOL

They work great, I need to re-waterproof them because they are starting to get a little bit damp on the outside. But that's not a biggie when I consider I've been using them for almost 2 years.

I like having a pail liner because sometimes I can't put the load of diapers in RIGHT then, and that way I can leave the bag on the floor next to the W&D until I can put it in. I also figure they will get a lot of use down the road with camping trips and sports, so they are a good investment. I also will use them for dirty clothes bags when we go on trips.

ETA: no advice on the Bac-out, we don't use it.
08-13-2004 08:14 PM
chrissy Linda, the most absorbant night time diaper I have found is a Nighty Newt from It's a hemp prefold with about a million layers of hemp. Love, love, love them. I think she recommends her regular hemp prefolds for newborns, they're called Froggy Fleecers I think. I have 3 to try with this baby.

Our wash routine was/will be: wash on HOT with about 1/3 capful of Sensi-Clean (aka Sport Wash), wash on HOT with a few glugs of vinegar, wash on HOT with nothing. I think it is probably rare to have to do so many hot washes but that is the only way for us to get out all the suds (even with such little detergent).
08-13-2004 08:08 PM
cottonwood Jen, I've been looking for a good wet bag. I bought one from an online site that was terrible -- the inside edges weren't finished and unraveled, and it wasn't very waterproof. Unfortunately I don't remember where I got it. I'm gonna check out the happy tushies site.

I've never used a diaper pail -- I just throw them into a regular laundry basket, dry. I wash every day though, and the changing table is in the laundry room, so the smell isn't an issue. My wash routine is: regular unscented detergent and about 1/4 cup vinegar, with a second rinse. They always come out great!

Okay, now my question for you guys: what is THE most absorbent nighttime diaper?
08-13-2004 07:23 PM
chrissy Okay Jen....

I use a Happies Tushies wet bag and love it. I actually have 2- the first one I ordered from and the 2nd I bought on the TP here. The 2nd one is actually meant for mama cloth but it works well for diapers for me. It has 2 compartments, which is nice for storing either dirty and clean diapers or dirty diapers and dirty wool cover. I do need to rewaterproof them occasionally too, though.

I don't use a pail liner. I have a Rubbermaid trash can with one of those dome lids that swings open and closed (do you know what I mean?) After I dump the diapers in the wash I squirt some Bac-Out in the pail, wet a wash cloth and wipe it out. If it smells a little stinky I'll put a few drops of some good smelling essential oil in the bottom. For me, having a pail liner is just something else to wash.

I like Bac Out but that's the only time I really use it. The sun is amazing for getting stains out, better than anything else.
08-13-2004 06:55 PM
chumani Wet bags-

With my first two I used grocery bags (I also used gerber dipes from wally world too). They are noisy and we had several incidents where the dipes were mistaken for trash and tossed.

I currently use small waterproof stuff sacks from the outdoor outlet here at about $3. They have drawstrings and hold 6 large dipes. They do need re-waterproofing every couple of months with nikwax.

I just ordered some PUL from to make some zippered wetbags. I will let you know how I like them after they are made up. I know there are several wahm that make zippered PUL wetbags but don't know the links.

I haven't ever used a pail liner. I put 1/2 cup baking soda and 1 quart of water in the bottom of the pail after rinsing it out in the tub. My pail is now almost 9 years old, it has a foot pedal to open it. I haven't ever had a problem with a stinky pail. It is in the "boys" room where the changing station is currently for 2yo Jonah.

I haven't ever used bac-out, but have read of other moms spraying it on the dipes. Stains don't bother me. I do like to hang them outside to dry and that gets rid of any stains.

08-13-2004 06:02 PM
JenInMpls We are looking for advice on wet bags. Please cast your vote:

1. I use a _________ wet bag and bought it at ___________ , I love it.

2. I bought a __________ wet bag and found it a complete waste of money because ________ .

3. We just bring along a plastic shopping bag and it does the job just fine.

Also: do you line your pails with a cloth bag or otherwise?

SECONDLY: We love bac-out. It makes us really happy. The big question is, though: how much, and when to apply?

Add bac-out to cold pre-wash in washer? If so, how much?
Squirt diaper with bac-out before putting in diaper pail?
Keep a little bac-out in the bottom of the diaper pail? Won't the bottom diaper soak it all up?

Thank you for your thoughts, Sept mamas

08-12-2004 02:08 AM
SiValleySteph Savannah, I love how you have the changing area set up on the vanity! Our bath doesn't have the counter space, so we have our changing area in the nusery. I hope this isn't too much of a problem later on when we need to mini-shower!
08-11-2004 12:32 AM
greenbeing Thanks Samantha!
08-10-2004 11:57 PM
msrog OK, here are pictures of my changing area... I'm so excited! All I'm missing is the diaper pail and some liners.

08-10-2004 07:31 PM
08-10-2004 07:30 PM
Originally Posted by mum2tori
Did that make sense?


:LOL yes, it did. There are just so many things to know about CD'ing!

08-10-2004 07:27 PM
mum2tori A liner typically doesn't have any absorbing layer. It will be a single layer of microfleece, silk or wool. The wool liner is actually a form of doubler, it isn't placed against the skin, it is placed within the soaker section of the diaper to boost the absorbancy of the diaper material (confusing?? ).

A doubler is an addictional insert to boost absorbeancy. It will consist of several layers of an absorbing material. Flannel, cotton knit, cotton terry, hemp, BKT or combination of such, pretty much anything that will absorb. Some doublers are topped with microfleece or suedecloth.

There are two kinds of 'soakers'. One refers to a knitted cover (usually made of wool but can be acrylic) and the other refers to the absorbing section of material of a fitted or AIO.

Oh MOE refers to 'Mother Of Eden" which is the company name for FuzziBunz.

Did that make sense?
08-10-2004 07:05 PM
greenbeing Thanks for the link Sarah!

This shows how much I still need to learn...What's the difference between a liner and a doubler??? Is it just the thickness??
08-10-2004 05:45 PM
sistermama On this one page at Baby Belle Bottoms, they've got the fuzzi bunz inserts, which I like (plus they are cheaper than the Joey Bunz and you can use them in any pocket dipe), they've got the Joey Bunz and they have the Fuzzi Bunz stay dry liners (this are the ones I have, and the size works out great - (13 X 5.5). Plus, now I'm eyeing that Fuzzibunz mattress pad...
08-10-2004 05:36 PM
greenbeing I got my birth kit and there's a peri bottle, so I'll try that out for awhile!

There was a thread on the diapering forum about what to stuff pocket dipes with. Someone mentioned MOE...what does that stand for????? Also, where do you get JoeyBunz???

08-10-2004 05:25 PM
sistermama I'll measure the liners I have at home that I bought last time, because they are the perfect size and I'll let you both know how big they are!

Jen - I bought my microfleece on sale on line. The color is a really pukey green, but I figured, who is really going to be looking at them?
08-10-2004 03:59 PM
hjohnson Jen I am not sure how many liners I can get out of 2 yards. I am definitely not sewing savy LOL. Right now I am planning on ordering 2 dozen preemie prefolds and 2 dozen infant prefolds. I am hoping to get at least 40 liners out of the 2 yards. I will probally know better once I get the prefolds into my hot little hands.

BTW I got two small ClothBaby AIOs and a small Mollytog Fitted (I thought it was supposed to be a large AIO) in the mail. I forgot I had paid for those.
08-10-2004 11:47 AM
JenInMpls What size do you cut your microfleece into for liners? I don't think I have the patience to go to any more rummage sales and look for old sweatshirts, so I will probably hit a fabric store. Heather, your 2 yards will = how many liners? And how many do you all think would be a good start, since all we currently have are cotton liners?

thank you!!!!

08-10-2004 02:53 AM
SiValleySteph Can you pick up a peri bottle at the store? I'm assumming I'll get one at the hospital, but just in case I don't for some reason, is there somewhere to pick one up? Or a similar type bottle? I do have a little squirt bottle from Happy Tushies for the diaper bag.


I had my baby shower this weekend and I took a couple of dipes to show off since the hostess mentioned some guests had asked about them. (I asked for no diapers/wipes.) They were a big hit! I took a newborn loveybums fitted (in the PRR monkeys print) with a NB proraps cover, modeled by a teddy. And then a small green fuzzi bunz. I am pretty mainstream by this board's standards (as are my friends) so it's great to feel supported in my choices. I think some of my friends may look into cloth in the future with their (future) babies now that they've seen the new options available. We are in the Bay Area, so all are environmentally concious!
08-10-2004 02:01 AM
sistermama A fleece liner can really make a difference overnight or if you are going out for a while. Keeps baby much more dry. I really like pocket dipes like fuzzybuns for night, because they are so easy to use and only fleece is in contact with the baby's skin. But also don't underestimate the convenience at night (when baby is really little) of just laying him/her bare butted on a couple of dipes! We used to do that with Jack if it looked like he was getting a little red or irritated. (Yes, we put him on his tummy at night, but we were right next to him!) Then when he would pee his little bit, I would just take the top dipe off and toss it off the bed until morning. This obviously doesn't work when they can move around on their own!
08-10-2004 12:31 AM
mum2tori Yes, the microfleece wicks urine away from the skin and into the soaker.

The fleece is very breathable. We always use it for nighttime since we don't change Jack from when he goes to sleep until he wakes up 10-12 hours later. His bum is soft, smooth, cool and dry in the morning (unless he poops :LOL) when we don't use the fleece... he doesn't sleep as restful, his bum is clammy and often a little bit red from the the wetness in the morning.

Some people don't like to use it on principle because its a "synthetic". Some children do react to the microfleece, just as some react to wool or hemp. I think it comes down to personal preferance.
08-09-2004 10:19 PM
hjohnson Poop washes out well out of Microfleece and any fleece for that matter. The more solid poop will even fall off easier from the fleece when you are dumping the contents. That's why I like the Happy Heinys so much or any other diaper that is fleece on the inside. I have 2 yards of microfleece to cut up into liners.
08-09-2004 10:14 PM
JenInMpls So the whole idea with the microfleece is to use it as a liner and it wicks the urine away from the skin into the diaper, right?

Does poop wash out of it well, and does it breathe? I'm just thinking about the fact that it's usually made of a synthetic fiber.

Thanks for sharing your wisdom, experienced CD'ers!

08-09-2004 07:16 PM
mum2tori Yes, unbleached prefolds take a LONG prep time. One way to cut the time down is to turn your hot water heater up as HIGH as possible and use Tide (but not a lot or you'll have sudsing for a week :LOL). Both will strip the oils quickly. Just remember to turn your water heater BACK down, don't want to scald anyone.
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