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12-13-2007 07:48 PM
Four&Me
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Originally Posted by NaomiMcC View Post
This tree won't be going in the landfill for many, many, many years. Not at the price we paid for it.

And nope....don't feel guilty at all actually. It's of the 'reuse' part of the three R's. And as for the chemically treated toxic petro plastic -- nope. There are more harmful things in my house than that...cleaning supplies, plastic toys, hormones in th meat, pesticides on the fruit...etc.
yeah i dont get the "oh its going to end up in the landfill" its not like you are buying a new fake tree every couple of years or something. you could most likely keep a fake one your whole life time! and you'd eventually reach the the point where the fake tree is more 'green' or whatever then a cut real one. because of all the polution & toxins required to have a real one year after year...
12-13-2007 07:34 PM
Four&Me
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Originally Posted by sunnmama View Post

I don't understand the aversion to buying and displaying a farmed tree if people buy and display fresh flowers.
eh i dont like cut flowers either. sometimes looking at a freshly amputated sex organ of a plant creeps me out. plants and trees have a natural life span. trees can live to be over 100 years old. thats amazing and i cant help but to respect them. thats why i love the idea of a real alive tree that you can plant later. thats very neat!
12-13-2007 02:10 PM
NaomiMcC
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Originally Posted by MissMommyNiceNice View Post
Not trying to flame here at all, but you don't feel guilty about putting up a chemically created toxic petro-plastic tree in your house every year and then eventually into the landfill?
This tree won't be going in the landfill for many, many, many years. Not at the price we paid for it.

And nope....don't feel guilty at all actually. It's of the 'reuse' part of the three R's. And as for the chemically treated toxic petro plastic -- nope. There are more harmful things in my house than that...cleaning supplies, plastic toys, hormones in th meat, pesticides on the fruit...etc.
12-13-2007 01:03 PM
beansricerevolt We've always done a real tree.
This year, we are getting a potted, indoor tree. Im hoping we can "love" it enough to stay alive for future celebrations of Christmas.
12-13-2007 12:43 PM
sunnmama We always use real.

The city we lived in previously did the pick up/mulching thing. But that past couple of years we let the tree dry out, and then burned it in our chimnea. That might not be the most green option, but it was mostly having a ritual for dd who had an incredibly hard time giving up the tree after Christmas . And it was "free" firewood

Now we live in another area, and in an apt, so I don't know what will happen. Maybe we can take our tree somewhere to be recycled--I'll have to look into it. It is a small tree (table top), so maybe we will just break it into smaller pieces and drop it in the forest somewhere . But I am very excited because we were able to buy a local tree this year, and previously were not!

I don't understand the aversion to buying and displaying a farmed tree if people buy and display fresh flowers. Flower beds and greenhouses aren't exactly natural or diverse either. And, no, no one *needs* a Christmas tree (or fresh flowers...)--so there is the needless consumption aspect. But, for my consumption-conscious family, the benefits of having a Christmas tree for a month each year greatly outweigh the negatives (esp when recycled)...so we have one.
12-13-2007 10:45 AM
Rigama Real.
Our city recycles them, so that's good, but mostly I just love going to get one and then enjoying the wonderful smell. It adds a sense of calm to the house. Yesterday I wasn't being the best mom I could be so I went and sat behind the tree and watched the lights flicker and breathed in the piney smell...I calmed right down.
12-12-2007 11:27 PM
MissMommyNiceNice
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Originally Posted by NaomiMcC View Post
We had a real tree for years. Bought a fake one last year. So much easier!!! The guilt of cutting down a healthy tree every year got to me
Not trying to flame here at all, but you don't feel guilty about putting up a chemically created toxic petro-plastic tree in your house every year and then eventually into the landfill?
12-12-2007 06:42 PM
NaomiMcC We had a real tree for years. Bought a fake one last year. So much easier!!! The guilt of cutting down a healthy tree every year got to me
12-12-2007 06:21 PM
jkg We get a real one. After the holidays we set it in a garden bed in the backyard until the spring. When spring comes, DH chops as much of the trunk as possible and we use it either in the chimnea at night or as landscaping borders.
12-12-2007 06:16 PM
MommyHawk
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Originally Posted by LuvMyLittles View Post
I could not justify buying a fake tree - the permanent spot in a land fill waiting for the toxins in the tree (not to mention the toxins released when it was made) when almost any other choice is "greener" just makes the choice obvious for me. Growing up in house with someone who manages forest lands (everything from forest fire fighting, endangered species management, road engineering, and policy planning facilitator) probably has a lot to do with it. I don't buy fake flowers either, don't feel guilty when I pick wild ones (where appropriate), nor do I feel bad buying fresh when I can afford it. Except that a tree is larger, I fail to see the difference.


WELL SAID!!! It only took one poster to help me 'see the green light' and now I'm just tickled...well, green to see even more clearly from everyone's opinions how this is truly the better choice.
12-12-2007 06:07 PM
MommyHawk
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Originally Posted by MamaRabbit View Post
Our fake one has been passed down to us and is sooo dusty. I'm planning on wiping it down. I'd say we'd do no tree but my kids want it up so bad.
we had a 25yo tree that we were using. I would take the tree outside and dip each 'branch' into a huge bucket of water with 1:1 water and vinegar to clean off the dust and whatnot. That's probably why it lasted so long! But the 'needles' were starting to shed big time...maybe that's why I don't see such a big deal with the real tree loosing it's needles...so what? just clean it up seems to be the 'reason' why most people around here don't use a real tree.
12-12-2007 02:52 PM
LuvMyLittles Wow - a lot of strong feelings about our tree choices!

While I was growing up, my dad worked for the state forestry dept., so he would just bring one home. As an adult in southern Oregon, I often had friends ask to have me come take a tree from their property to cut down on fire hazard come summer (small trees and brush burn faster than big established trees). W/o that option, we would get a permit to go cut a tree in the woods).

Being a broke single mom city dweller with small children this year, I have a "fake tree". I took the tule I usually use as a tree skirt and tacked it to the wall in the shape of a tree and arranged the lights inside. Its above the reach of toddler and baby hands, actually looks really cool and we have just my older daughter and my favorite hand made ornaments on it.

I could not justify buying a fake tree - the permanent spot in a land fill waiting for the toxins in the tree (not to mention the toxins released when it was made) when almost any other choice is "greener" just makes the choice obvious for me. Growing up in house with someone who manages forest lands (everything from forest fire fighting, endangered species management, road engineering, and policy planning facilitator) probably has a lot to do with it. I don't buy fake flowers either, don't feel guilty when I pick wild ones (where appropriate), nor do I feel bad buying fresh when I can afford it. Except that a tree is larger, I fail to see the difference.
12-11-2007 04:25 PM
MommyErin We do a real tree we cut ourselves at a local Christmas Tree Farm. We make a ritual of burning it in our fireplace on Epiphany and then spread the ashes out in the yard. It's our way of sending "Mr. Tree" back to the "planet of earth" as DD says.

Otherwise, one of our local public radio stations sponsors a tree mulching day right after the first of the year -- you bring your tree and a garbage can to take mulch home with you.

I do feel what the PP said. I find using a real tree and then putting it out to the trash after the holidays is very wasteful and it really bothers me for some reason. It's taking without giving back.
12-11-2007 12:10 PM
dharmamama
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Originally Posted by boingo82 View Post
It seems murderous
Trees don't have central nervous systems and they don't suffer.

dm
12-11-2007 11:07 AM
dharmamama
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Originally Posted by MommyHawk View Post
then again, chopping down a live tree isn't 'green' either!
I don't think there's anything wrong with real trees. It's not like they are virgin forest. Trees come from tree farms, where they are replaced after they are cut.

I supposed one could argue that tree farms use chemicals in their farming, but around here we have at least one and possibly two organic tree farms.

We got a real tree this year after spending all our married life (six years!!) with a fake tree and, although I was skeptical about spending the money on something that wasn't reusable, I am thrilled with the real tree. MUCH nicer than a fake one.

dm
12-11-2007 10:07 AM
mamadelbosque We've always had real christmas trees... and all but one of them were out of the woods aruond here. Thus we have always had "Charlie Brown" christmas tree's Some years they've been better than others... I don't know what we're doign this year yet. I'd kind of like to have a little one, but finding one that'd fit ontop of the icebox is gonna be tricky! But, we shall see
12-11-2007 04:29 AM
MamaRabbit Can't get a real tree over here

Our fake one has been passed down to us and is sooo dusty. I'm planning on wiping it down. I'd say we'd do no tree but my kids want it up so bad.
12-11-2007 03:39 AM
MommyHawk
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Originally Posted by Mahtob View Post
There are trees you can buy and re-plant. With the lead thing and all I wouldn't use the old tree. Maybe you could make a tree out of reusable materials? Or would that be too hard and too funky? Or else just decorate a tree outside and put your presents under the stockings?
I've been thinking that that might be what we do next year. We got a real tree (DH and my first one! Neither of us have ever had a real tree)...oh, my, does it smell soooo good! But I did feel very queezy watching it get chopped down. I do eat broccoli and I don't get that feeling from harvesting corn...but man oh man, was that hard. But I will be composting it to use on the paths in my garden, so it's just like buying pine mulch anyway, just I get to enjoy it alive too...I don't know. I'm still new to this whole thing. ANYWAY, I think we might do some gifts under/in the stockings since that is how St. Nick does it anyway. Why should he have to search the house for the tree? Just toss the stuff down the chimney and go to the next house!
12-11-2007 12:49 AM
EdnaMarie There are trees you can buy and re-plant. With the lead thing and all I wouldn't use the old tree. Maybe you could make a tree out of reusable materials? Or would that be too hard and too funky? Or else just decorate a tree outside and put your presents under the stockings?

BSM, thanks for the list. That's great.
12-09-2007 11:56 AM
MommyHawk
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Originally Posted by lindberg99 View Post
Personally, I would just buy some kind of big house plant or a Norfolk pine and decorate that at Christmas
is a Norfolk Pine a tree that would be in a planter and live indoors all year round?
12-09-2007 11:50 AM
MommyHawk
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Originally Posted by celestialdreamer View Post
We aren't doing lights this year because of the lead concerns.
can you expand on this - why are lights an issue?
12-08-2007 09:57 PM
SleeplessMommy If you plan ahead, you can make a feather tree:

http://legonutty.blogspot.com/

(scroll down to see pictures)
12-08-2007 09:49 PM
Four&Me
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Originally Posted by boingo82 View Post
Because they mostly get thrown out after the holiday? It seems murderous and wasteful somehow.
yes that.

i like the idea of having a live one that you can plant later though. or a rosemary tree. trees are noble to me. like horses or something i dont know. lol.
fake trees with lead are scary! right now we have a 2 foot fake tree and a live wreath both given to us by dds grandmother. i havent really gotten into the whole holiday celebration thing. all my kids are on the younger side and arent totally into it yet.
12-03-2007 01:41 AM
incorrigible .
12-03-2007 12:22 AM
boingo82
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Originally Posted by MissMommyNiceNice View Post
But doesn't your town compost them? Most municipalities do, so it gets turned back into earth to be used again and replenish the soil.
I don't know if this town does. None of the previous towns did. They all got put in the dump.
12-02-2007 11:52 PM
MissMommyNiceNice But doesn't your town compost them? Most municipalities do, so it gets turned back into earth to be used again and replenish the soil.
12-02-2007 11:51 PM
lindberg99
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Originally Posted by boingo82 View Post
Because they mostly get thrown out after the holiday? It seems murderous and wasteful somehow.
That's exactly how I feel! But I don't want a fake one either.

Personally, I would just buy some kind of big house plant or a Norfolk pine and decorate that at Christmas but DH would NEVER go for that. We went and cut down a tree from the Izaak Walton League (they have a small tree farm) so at least our money is hopefully going into conservation efforts. But I did feel kind of sick when I watched the tree fall down.
12-02-2007 08:40 PM
MissMommyNiceNice
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Originally Posted by sunshinesister View Post
the problem with tree farms..."we plant two trees for every one we cut down" is that they are typically planting in rows and without diversity and they mow between them. So the outcome is a very productive tree farm but essentially no biodiversity. not so environmentally friendly.
Actually, christmas tree farms are an important part of the crop rotation cycle. Corn can only be grown for so long on the land before the soil is completely depleted. So, instead of covering the field in harmful chemicals and fertilizers, farmers plant christmas trees. After 4 to 6 years, they are big enough to harvest and have held the topsoil in place and replenished the nutrients into the ground. Then the farmer can plant beans. After a year or two of that, corn can easily grow for several years before the ground is depleted again, and the cycle begins over with trees. It's about a ten year cycle and much more earth friendly and conscientious than spraying petro-chemicals willy nilly. And around here, if they mow in the fields, it's maybe once a season to keep the trees from choking when they're small. Why mow if you don't need to? FWIW, anyway.

Oh, and only ever real here! :
12-02-2007 06:49 PM
Mama Poot If you go for the real tree, get one with the root ball still attached and plant the tree in the spring when the ground thaws. We did this once when I was a kid and that tree is now easily 40 feet high. You'll have to either keep the tree in the house or outside somewhere where its protected from the elements, and water it continuously. The root ball is messy too, but I think if you want a real tree that bad, this is the best way to go.
12-02-2007 05:25 PM
Learnintolaugh I would like to keep supporting local by buying a real tree from local growers, but as much as I've tried to ignore it, I have realized in the past few years that real pine makes me miserable, and ds #1 is probably allergic as well. So I think we will be treeless this year and then trying to buy a nice fake one on sale after the holiday.

I do, however, have a lovely real wreath on my front door...the bank sent it to the business I do bookkeeping for and neither of the partners wanted it, so I got it!
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