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Forum: Vaccinations   Yesterday, 06:18 AM
Replies: 8
Views: 300
Posted By kathymuggle
Dang! I hoped you were able to share it with...

Dang! I hoped you were able to share it with unvaxxed female children. I would have loved it if my daughters got rubella in childhood.

UL....I don't really know the answer to your question.
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Forum: Vaccinations   Yesterday, 06:04 AM
Replies: 8
Views: 317
Posted By kathymuggle
In addition to kateloves response, I would add...

In addition to kateloves response, I would add the following:

1. Compliance: the parents are in a compliant mood? Great! Get them while the parents are willing.....

2. Trying to make it...
Forum: I'm Not Vaccinating   05-01-2015, 06:22 PM
Replies: 4
Views: 216
Posted By kathymuggle
pertussis anecdote

So...I am at a meeting. A woman says all 3 of her children have all had pertussis this past winter. They are ok - although her special needs child with gag issues is struggling somewhat. She is...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-30-2015, 03:06 PM
Replies: 61
Views: 1,356
Posted By kathymuggle
Did I say you were? Our disagreement may be...

Did I say you were?

Our disagreement may be on defintion of conspiracy theorist (mine is dictionary) and definitely on how many non-vaxxers are also conspiracy theorists in relation to vaccines. ...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-30-2015, 12:58 PM
Replies: 61
Views: 1,356
Posted By kathymuggle
Sure. A conspiracy theory is an...

Sure.

A conspiracy theory is an explanatory hypothesis that accuses two or more persons, a group, or an organization of having caused or covered up, through secret planning and deliberate ...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-30-2015, 12:38 PM
Replies: 61
Views: 1,356
Posted By kathymuggle
Well, if you are pro-vax choice and vaccinate,...

Well, if you are pro-vax choice and vaccinate, then that is fine.

If you are pro-vax choice and don't vaccinate, unless your child is medically exempt, then you are a conspiracy theorist.

See...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-30-2015, 10:54 AM
Replies: 61
Views: 1,356
Posted By kathymuggle
I think you are trying to make a case where none...

I think you are trying to make a case where none exists.


It does not make one a conspiracy theorist to look at recommendation and decide those recommendations are either flawed or do not work...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-30-2015, 10:28 AM
Replies: 61
Views: 1,356
Posted By kathymuggle
Conspiracy theorist: I don't think it means...

Conspiracy theorist: I don't think it means what some would like it to mean, and I reject most revampings of the word. :smile:
Forum: Vaccinations   04-30-2015, 10:27 AM
Replies: 61
Views: 1,356
Posted By kathymuggle
In real life I know a number of families who are...

In real life I know a number of families who are non-vax. Some are religious, some are not. Some are conservative (usually the religious) and some are not. The common denominators are that they...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-30-2015, 08:55 AM
Replies: 14
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Views: 434
Posted By kathymuggle
masks

So....I am not going to discuss whether or not hospital worker should have to accept a flu vaccine in order to be employed. That has been done to death on this forum.


Let's discuss the use of...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-30-2015, 06:23 AM
Replies: 73
Views: 1,817
Posted By kathymuggle
She might. There are people who are...

She might.

There are people who are accepting of their side and skeptical of the other side, and there are people who try to look skeptically at both sides. I do not think pro-vaxxers or...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-30-2015, 06:07 AM
Replies: 61
Views: 1,356
Posted By kathymuggle
The term "conspiracy theorist" is aimed at...

The term "conspiracy theorist" is aimed at non-vaxxers at the slightest provocation. It is often an accusation based on very weak evidence. My 2 cents.

Regarding the bolded: humans have...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-30-2015, 05:35 AM
Replies: 73
Views: 1,817
Posted By kathymuggle
Really good post. I agree with almost...

Really good post. I agree with almost everything, but I would say that those doing the accusing without solid evidence are at least partly to blame. We have to own our own words. I agree it is...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-29-2015, 06:47 PM
Replies: 73
Views: 1,817
Posted By kathymuggle
I do not think there have been very many directly...

I do not think there have been very many directly paid shills on MDC. The conversations are too complex, the number of members posting is not huge - it just isn't much bang for your buck. I am not...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-29-2015, 06:34 PM
Replies: 73
Views: 1,817
Posted By kathymuggle
All of the above are annoying, but I do not...

All of the above are annoying, but I do not automatically think they are done by trolls, shills or astro-turfers.

They may very well be done by people who are acting independently. Of course,...
Forum: I'm Not Vaccinating   04-29-2015, 06:15 PM
Replies: 16
Views: 489
Posted By kathymuggle
I agree with you.... ...but at the end of the...

I agree with you....
...but at the end of the day I am a bigger proponent of parents having the right to decide whether to vaccinate or not (even if it affects others) that anything else.

Yes,...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-29-2015, 10:16 AM
Replies: 73
Views: 1,817
Posted By kathymuggle
Thanks for the discussion. Psm said: "In my...

Thanks for the discussion.

Psm said: "In my view "astroturf" is another version of the pharma shill gambit. "

I do not think that is true. Pharma shill is often a baseless accusation. ...
Forum: I'm Not Vaccinating   04-29-2015, 09:45 AM
Replies: 15
Views: 530
Posted By kathymuggle
I got the 1/100 000 stat from here: For...

I got the 1/100 000 stat from here:

For instance, among children 1–14 years of age, the fatality rate of
varicella is approximately 1 per 100,000 cases,
...
Forum: I'm Not Vaccinating   04-29-2015, 05:36 AM
Replies: 15
Views: 530
Posted By kathymuggle
Is your child healthy? Healthy school aged...

Is your child healthy? Healthy school aged children have a
1/100 000 chance of dying from the chicken pox. All 3 of my children have had the chicken pox (and I got it as a child as well) and all...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-28-2015, 07:15 AM
Replies: 73
Views: 1,817
Posted By kathymuggle
Thanks to everyone for answering. I did (in a...

Thanks to everyone for answering. I did (in a fit of non-laziness) also take a look at an online definition, and it matches the above.
Forum: I'm Not Vaccinating   04-27-2015, 11:22 AM
Replies: 7
Views: 500
Posted By kathymuggle
Saw it! I only wish it was longer.

Saw it! I only wish it was longer.
Forum: Vaccinations   04-27-2015, 11:07 AM
Replies: 73
Views: 1,817
Posted By kathymuggle
astro-turf...please explain

Would someone humour me and tell me what this terms means in terms of the current vaccine debate? I have seen this term several times, usually to describe pro-vax/skeptic sites, but I have no idea...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-27-2015, 08:34 AM
Replies: 17
Views: 566
Posted By kathymuggle
Whenever I see someone on MDC or elsewhere demand...

Whenever I see someone on MDC or elsewhere demand "peer reviewed" studies from vaccine critics, I know the person is new to vaccine debates and is regurgitating a talking point without much thought....
Forum: Vaccinations   04-27-2015, 08:20 AM
Replies: 69
Views: 1,743
Posted By kathymuggle
Somewhat. It is a pretty volatile topic. ...

Somewhat. It is a pretty volatile topic.


For myself, I would like to know if people prioritise safety over a tolerant society or vice versa...and why.


I would like a little less...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-26-2015, 07:35 PM
Replies: 69
Views: 1,743
Posted By kathymuggle
Lol. She really seemed most upset that...

Lol.

She really seemed most upset that people did not trust her and would not listen to her and that she had to have the same conversations over and over again (duh - the conversation may be...
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