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Forum: Vaccinations   Today, 06:44 AM
Replies: 48
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Posted By Deborah
I've spent a fair amount of time digging through...

I've spent a fair amount of time digging through the references on pro-vaccine sites and sometimes the references on pro-vaccine articles and it isn't uncommon for the back-up info to fail to align...
Forum: Vaccinations   Today, 06:41 AM
Replies: 4
Views: 132
Posted By Deborah
Yes, I've seen two well-known pro-vaccine...

Yes, I've seen two well-known pro-vaccine commenters explaining over and over again why it isn't the vaccine. They haven't tried Becky's explanations...yet.
Forum: Vaccinations   Yesterday, 07:49 PM
Replies: 48
Views: 1,309
Posted By Deborah
Bumping up, I think the last post above might...

Bumping up, I think the last post above might have been missed and it is interesting!
Forum: Vaccinations   Yesterday, 06:18 PM
Replies: 402
Views: 12,518
Posted By Deborah
Any smart scientist who is criticizing vaccines...

Any smart scientist who is criticizing vaccines says some variation on the following:

Vaccines are wonderful and have saved countless lives and everyone should get every single vaccine recommended...
Forum: Vaccinations   Yesterday, 06:15 PM
Replies: 19
Views: 503
Posted By Deborah
So three studies showing a link between tics and...

So three studies showing a link between tics and thimerosal aren't enough to prevent someone who trusts vaccines from getting a thimerosal containing vaccine during pregnancy.

Or at least...
Forum: Vaccinations   Yesterday, 06:11 PM
Replies: 7
Views: 273
Posted By Deborah
Hm. But there really aren't many therapies for...

Hm. But there really aren't many therapies for autism, although the drug companies are working hard on various drugs. And all the other stuff, like speech therapy and occupational therapy were...
Forum: Vaccinations   Yesterday, 05:06 PM
Replies: 7
Views: 273
Posted By Deborah
He just didn't notice them before. Until they...

He just didn't notice them before. Until they were labeled as autistic, no one was able to spot that there were children with major problems...doesn't that make sense?
Forum: Vaccinations   Yesterday, 05:02 AM
Replies: 402
Views: 12,518
Posted By Deborah
I offered up the Fombonne study for discussion. ...

I offered up the Fombonne study for discussion.

You and teacozy both turned me down flat. I'm just going to keep bringing it up. And no, I won't start a new thread. You had your opportunity.
...
Forum: I'm Not Vaccinating   08-30-2014, 06:12 PM
Replies: 7
Views: 275
Posted By Deborah
Mothers are just such pests and fussbudgets! ...

Mothers are just such pests and fussbudgets!

All that emphasis on boring stuff like bedtime and cleanliness and eating regular meals with real food.

I don't know why children put up with us...
Forum: Vaccinations   08-30-2014, 05:29 PM
Replies: 19
Views: 503
Posted By Deborah
If there is the slightest risk from using...

If there is the slightest risk from using thimerosal in vaccines during pregnancy, then do not use it. Seems obvious to me. And no, it shouldn't be up to the pregnant woman to track down a thimerosal...
Forum: Vaccinations   08-30-2014, 05:26 PM
Replies: 402
Views: 12,518
Posted By Deborah
In my experience, the pro-vaccine do not like to...

In my experience, the pro-vaccine do not like to look critically at any study that supports the safety or efficacy of vaccines.

On the other hand, they go over any study critical of vaccines with...
Forum: Vaccinations   08-30-2014, 05:17 PM
Replies: 52
Views: 881
Posted By Deborah
Okay, let us consider one set of supposed facts. ...

Okay, let us consider one set of supposed facts.

Here is Brian Deer, definitively stating that the children in the case series DID NOT HAVE BOWEL DISEASE....
Forum: Vaccinations   08-29-2014, 04:51 PM
Replies: 52
Views: 881
Posted By Deborah
Here is the "everyone vaccinates" version...

Here is the "everyone vaccinates" version http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25166924
Forum: Vaccinations   08-29-2014, 01:28 PM
Replies: 1
Views: 195
Posted By Deborah
Contamination of Gardasil

This is a good analysis, but alas, surprise, it was ignored. http://www.i-sis.org.uk/DNA_contamination_of_HPV_vaccines.php

be sure and read this entire section
Forum: I'm Not Vaccinating   08-29-2014, 01:16 PM
Replies: 4
Views: 233
Posted By Deborah
Thorsen was so happy with the cash that he...

Thorsen was so happy with the cash that he absconded with the extra.
Forum: Vaccinations   08-29-2014, 08:59 AM
Replies: 52
Views: 881
Posted By Deborah
I think a significant percentage now fall into...

I think a significant percentage now fall into the selective and delayed camp.

Which is actually sort of handy for the pro-vaccine forces, because they can call anyone who selects or delays...
Forum: Vaccinations   08-29-2014, 08:54 AM
Replies: 402
Views: 12,518
Posted By Deborah
Is vaccine science good science? After...

Is vaccine science good science?

After reading quite a pile of it, generally, my answer is no.
Forum: Vaccinations   08-29-2014, 08:53 AM
Replies: 402
Views: 12,518
Posted By Deborah
I'm reposting this bit, just to emphasize that...

I'm reposting this bit, just to emphasize that there was no response or discussion on this point:

From the link Mirzam supplied in post 328



This is the sort of...
Forum: Vaccinations   08-29-2014, 08:50 AM
Replies: 402
Views: 12,518
Posted By Deborah
So Time hasn't covered the story. They have put...

So Time hasn't covered the story. They have put out an OPINION piece on the story.

Clarity and accuracy are good.
Forum: Vaccinations   08-29-2014, 08:49 AM
Replies: 402
Views: 12,518
Posted By Deborah
Thanks for adding the context, Teacozy. ...

Thanks for adding the context, Teacozy.

Nevertheless, a number of "scientific beliefs" that were considered totally solid have fallen away as new research was carried out.

Generally, as soon as...
Forum: Vaccinations   08-29-2014, 08:42 AM
Replies: 52
Views: 881
Posted By Deborah
That is one of the ways that they collect data....

That is one of the ways that they collect data. There are several others.

And yes, phone surveys aren't super dependable.
Forum: I'm Not Vaccinating   08-29-2014, 08:18 AM
Replies: 7
Views: 275
Posted By Deborah
Slightly aside, but a few years ago a teenager,...

Slightly aside, but a few years ago a teenager, with her parents, was telling a few of us that she had always assumed that her splinters "just came out on their own". She had recently discovered that...
Forum: Vaccinations   08-29-2014, 08:12 AM
Replies: 402
Views: 12,518
Posted By Deborah
I do find this amusing. My undergraduate degree...

I do find this amusing. My undergraduate degree is in history and my master's is in Library and Information studies.

History shows us that one eras fact is another eras superstition. And the main...
Forum: Vaccinations   08-29-2014, 08:07 AM
Replies: 52
Views: 881
Posted By Deborah
The CDC does a very large study every year to see...

The CDC does a very large study every year to see who is vaxing on schedule and who isn't and then the results are published by state and used to harass states where a lot of people opt out.

For...
Forum: Vaccinations   08-29-2014, 07:08 AM
Replies: 7
Views: 273
Posted By Deborah
Thanks. I've seen it. I got a friend of mine to...

Thanks. I've seen it. I got a friend of mine to watch it and she is now very much questioning vaccines.
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