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Forum: I'm Not Vaccinating   Yesterday, 01:42 PM
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Posted By kathymuggle
Well, for starters, don't talk to your father...

Well, for starters, don't talk to your father about it ;) I know the conversation came about organically, but it does not seem like he knows what he is talking about. This is not a dig at him - if...
Forum: Vaccinations   Yesterday, 06:44 AM
Replies: 333
Views: 9,516
Posted By kathymuggle
Gack! My EYES!!!! The article was ok. I...

Gack! My EYES!!!!

The article was ok. I did not love it, and it certainly did not make enough of the possible 3.4 fold increased autism risk in African American boys, or the CDCs role in...
Forum: I'm Not Vaccinating   Yesterday, 06:16 AM
Replies: 3
Views: 184
Posted By kathymuggle
This might sound like blasphemy…but you do not...

This might sound like blasphemy…but you do not have to make a big deal of most cuts.

People get cuts all the time, and the vast, vast majority of the time nothing comes of it. I would just watch...
Forum: Vaccinations   Yesterday, 05:58 AM
Replies: 333
Views: 9,516
Posted By kathymuggle
[B] I agree. This is what we need to focus...

[B]

I agree. This is what we need to focus on….

Bolding and quoting to help it be seen.

If the quote concerns you, I think you (we) need to figure out ways we can safely spread this around...
Forum: Vaccinations   08-27-2014, 06:21 PM
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Views: 9,516
Posted By kathymuggle
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC412861...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4128611/

The Hooker re-analysis is still up on pub-med. To quote Gianelloni "Click that... link fast before PubMed takes it down too."
Forum: Vaccinations   08-27-2014, 05:53 PM
Replies: 333
Views: 9,516
Posted By kathymuggle
I agree. I have trouble caring that...

I agree. I have trouble caring that Hooker/Wakefield outted him. It is information that needs to be outted.

I also do not completely buy that Thompson *thought* the conversations were in...
Forum: Vaccinations   08-27-2014, 05:47 PM
Replies: 333
Views: 9,516
Posted By kathymuggle
You seem to be taking this as some sort of "win"...

You seem to be taking this as some sort of "win" for the pro-vax side, and it isn't.

The allegation was that the CDC hid or obscured data to downplay the fact the study showed that African...
Forum: Vaccinations   08-27-2014, 11:24 AM
Replies: 6
Views: 201
Posted By kathymuggle
I agree. It goes well beyond the quote,...

I agree.

It goes well beyond the quote, though.

I always laugh a little when someone says they only want want to look at articles in peer reviewed journals. Oh, I know why they say it (and...
Forum: Vaccinations   08-26-2014, 12:35 PM
Replies: 333
Views: 9,516
Posted By kathymuggle
What anti-vax spin, tea? This is my...

What anti-vax spin, tea?

This is my assessment of the letter, I did not read it on some other site, and I do not identify as anti-vax.

I will repost the intro to the letter, bolding mine.
...
Forum: Vaccinations   08-26-2014, 10:40 AM
Replies: 37
Views: 891
Posted By kathymuggle
I was wondering why she had to vaccinate. IIRC,...

I was wondering why she had to vaccinate. IIRC, she is Canadian - and Canada is an easy place to be non-vax.

MM - can you delay?

Are you in BC?

I found this on the BC site
...
Forum: Vaccinations   08-26-2014, 10:19 AM
Replies: 37
Views: 891
Posted By kathymuggle
Aw, Sorry mama. I was out of town. I was AFK...

Aw, Sorry mama. I was out of town. I was AFK for a few days, but do admit that when I came back I went straight to the whistle-blower debate. I kind of like debate, which I am not going to...
Forum: Vaccinations   08-26-2014, 10:03 AM
Replies: 333
Views: 9,516
Posted By kathymuggle
This study did not look at the overall rate of...

This study did not look at the overall rate of autism in the community in different demogrpahics. It just looked at the rate of autism given when a person had MMR.

"The author embarked on the...
Forum: Vaccinations   08-26-2014, 09:41 AM
Replies: 333
Views: 9,516
Posted By kathymuggle
The letter opens with this: "We’ve not met...

The letter opens with this:

"We’ve not met yet to discuss these matters, but I’m sure you’re aware of the Institute of Medicine Meeting regarding vaccines and autism that will take place on...
Forum: Vaccinations   08-26-2014, 09:13 AM
Replies: 333
Views: 9,516
Posted By kathymuggle
I read the SBM article from start to finnish on...

I read the SBM article from start to finnish on Gorski's take on the CDC whistle-blower incident. I wanted to know what the "other side" had to say….and my analysis? Not much.

He spends a lot of...
Forum: Vaccinations   08-25-2014, 07:04 PM
Replies: 333
Views: 9,516
Posted By kathymuggle
Meh. It is not about Hooker's take on the...

Meh.

It is not about Hooker's take on the study. It is about a possible whistle-blower and whether or not the CDC acted appropriately after the original study. If a study shows a significant...
Forum: Vaccinations   08-25-2014, 07:00 PM
Replies: 333
Views: 9,516
Posted By kathymuggle
As an aside, rates in Latinos also need to be...

As an aside, rates in Latinos also need to be looked at.

I was doing a bit of a google search for ASD rates among African Americans, and while I did not find anything shocking in absolute rates...
Forum: Vaccinations   08-25-2014, 06:46 PM
Replies: 333
Views: 9,516
Posted By kathymuggle
Why? Look, if you believe measles is deadly...

Why?

Look, if you believe measles is deadly and it is better to have autism than the measles (and some people absolutely do believe this) then, yeah, you *might* be OK with under-playing...
Forum: Vaccinations   08-25-2014, 06:25 PM
Replies: 333
Views: 9,516
Posted By kathymuggle
FYI: The CDC says that about 14% of...

FYI:

The CDC says that about 14% of Americans are African American. Looking just at the USA, that is 7% of the population who is at higher risk for autism from early MMR assuming this is true.
Forum: Vaccinations   08-25-2014, 06:22 PM
Replies: 333
Views: 9,516
Posted By kathymuggle
So? I think it is very possible the CDC...

So?

I think it is very possible the CDC would have (assuming it went down like this - I feel we are still in wait mode) covered up a issue in any demographic. White male. Latino females. ...
Forum: Vaccinations   08-23-2014, 08:18 AM
Replies: 19
Views: 606
Posted By kathymuggle
Thanks for the clarification, and I agree. ...

Thanks for the clarification, and I agree.


Anecdote alert:


Once upon a time I felt a school one of my children was attending had bullying issues. I brought it to the teacher and...
Forum: Vaccinations   08-23-2014, 06:03 AM
Replies: 19
Views: 606
Posted By kathymuggle
I mostly agree. Let's look at a few...

I mostly agree.

Let's look at a few countries:

USA: bitter arguments, polarisation, #$%@ exemptions

Canada: no or few (rather easy to get) exemptions, not particularly bitter IMHO
...
Forum: Vaccinations   08-22-2014, 07:53 PM
Replies: 333
Views: 9,516
Posted By kathymuggle
Absolutely not. I know you have not read the...

Absolutely not. I know you have not read the whole thread, so I will recap a post I made earlier.

"Of course not. The way to show whether or not MMR increases autism on a population level would...
Forum: Vaccinations   08-22-2014, 01:14 PM
Replies: 333
Views: 9,516
Posted By kathymuggle
Did the study look at autism rates in the...

Did the study look at autism rates in the unvaccinated? If they didn't it shows no such thing.

A higher autism rate among male African Americans who receive the vaccine on schedule compared to...
Forum: Vaccinations   08-22-2014, 12:54 PM
Replies: 333
Views: 9,516
Posted By kathymuggle
Of course not. The way to show whether or not...

Of course not. The way to show whether or not MMR increases autism on a population level would be to have several well constructed, unbiased studies where a large unvaxxed population is compared to...
Forum: The Childhood Years   08-22-2014, 11:21 AM
Replies: 10
Views: 442
Posted By kathymuggle
My mother used a harness on me as a child - and...

My mother used a harness on me as a child - and it was not a cute, non-obtrusive one, lol!

My mom rocks. Love her. No therapy over the harness. Take it easy on yourself.

Kathy
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