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Forum: Vaccinations   Yesterday, 06:52 PM
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Posted By Deborah
It is sort of pathetic that when scientists and...

It is sort of pathetic that when scientists and health-care professionals try to raise awareness of possible risks/problems with vaccines they have to sort of use coded language and slide little...
Forum: Vaccinations   09-14-2014, 06:54 PM
Replies: 14
Views: 415
Posted By Deborah
Yeah. Any two-sided discussion of vaccines in a...

Yeah. Any two-sided discussion of vaccines in a public space will be shut down if at all possible. MDC and, to a small extent, places like Facebook, are some of the only places left where both sides...
Forum: Vaccinations   09-14-2014, 04:41 PM
Replies: 14
Views: 415
Posted By Deborah
As a healthy survivor of measles, mumps,...

As a healthy survivor of measles, mumps, chickenpox, whooping cough, rubella and probably non-clinical polio (since I was born in 1950 and lived all over the US. I don't see how I could have missed...
Forum: Vaccinations   09-14-2014, 12:54 PM
Replies: 4
Views: 228
Posted By Deborah
Yeah, in "scientific" studies it always looks...

Yeah, in "scientific" studies it always looks like the unvaxed are immensely likely to get whooping cough, but in real life there are outbreaks where EVERYONE is vaxed.

The problem for the...
Forum: Vaccinations   09-14-2014, 08:11 AM
Replies: 14
Views: 415
Posted By Deborah
Thank you. I think it should have been titled...

Thank you. I think it should have been titled "Selling more Shots".
Forum: I'm Not Vaccinating   09-13-2014, 08:04 AM
Replies: 2
Views: 208
Posted By Deborah
Speaking as an active participant in the...

Speaking as an active participant in the political side of the vaccine wars, there is no safe haven and exemptions will be under attack in every state no matter how quiet people are.

We all need...
Forum: Vaccinations   09-13-2014, 06:36 AM
Replies: 72
Views: 1,712
Posted By Deborah
When courts rule AGAINST vaccination it doesn't...

When courts rule AGAINST vaccination it doesn't count, just a court case. When they rule in FAVOR of vaccination it is based on sound science and testimony and should be taken seriously.

We really...
Forum: Vaccinations   09-12-2014, 07:38 PM
Replies: 72
Views: 1,712
Posted By Deborah
It wasn't Merck that Wakefield was up against....

It wasn't Merck that Wakefield was up against. Glaxo Smith Kline, I believe. This is an older article, but it does tell us where the vaccine comes from...
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Forum: I'm Not Vaccinating   09-12-2014, 02:46 PM
Replies: 7
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Posted By Deborah
They could make necessary points without being...

They could make necessary points without being nasty. I think they've developed bad habits from the vaccination debate.
Forum: Vaccinations   09-11-2014, 10:09 AM
Replies: 31
Views: 891
Posted By Deborah
Thanks, very fair article. One thing about...

Thanks, very fair article.

One thing about the waning immunity, is that outbreaks of mumps in vaxed children might be missed. Mumps can be very mild and might be even milder in the vaccinated, so...
Forum: Vaccinations   09-11-2014, 10:02 AM
Replies: 72
Views: 1,712
Posted By Deborah
I was thinking about all this, and I'm sure that...

I was thinking about all this, and I'm sure that the pro-vaccine get it right sometimes when they critique vaccine critical articles. But I generally don't trust them for a very simple reason:

THE...
Forum: I'm Not Vaccinating   09-11-2014, 09:58 AM
Replies: 15
Views: 843
Posted By Deborah
Yeah, I really dislike Natural News sometimes. I...

Yeah, I really dislike Natural News sometimes. I think he encourages people to be sloppy and go off half-cocked, which does our movement no good at all.
Forum: Vaccinations   09-10-2014, 06:52 PM
Replies: 4
Views: 287
Posted By Deborah
Alas, pharmaceutical companies have developed...

Alas, pharmaceutical companies have developed ways around just about all of those "signs."
Forum: Vaccinations   09-10-2014, 06:50 PM
Replies: 154
Views: 3,555
Posted By Deborah
Um. Sure. I'm fine with that.

Um. Sure. I'm fine with that.
Forum: Vaccinations   09-10-2014, 02:37 PM
Replies: 40
Views: 988
Posted By Deborah
It is possible to make strong points without...

It is possible to make strong points without being personal. This is a skill that can be learned. Just concentrate on the topic, not the people. Disagree with what they say, not with them,...
Forum: Vaccinations   09-10-2014, 09:53 AM
Replies: 32
Views: 770
Posted By Deborah
Poliovirus is mostly not harmful. ONLY if it...

Poliovirus is mostly not harmful. ONLY if it leaves the digestive tract and moves into the central nervous system does it become dangerous. Poliovirus does linger in the digestive tract for two or...
Forum: Vaccinations   09-10-2014, 09:48 AM
Replies: 40
Views: 988
Posted By Deborah
Teacozy wrote: So, emotionally manipulative...

Teacozy wrote:

So, emotionally manipulative arguments are okay with you as long as YOU believe they are true? Or am I misunderstanding you?

The video and Hooker's article and many of the other...
Forum: Vaccinations   09-10-2014, 09:32 AM
Replies: 32
Views: 770
Posted By Deborah
I don't think it is a reasonable comparison. ...

I don't think it is a reasonable comparison.

Why not?

Because for most of the existence of humanity on this planet we survived exposure to poliovirus with no paralysis at all. In the 1930s...
Forum: Vaccinations   09-10-2014, 09:19 AM
Replies: 72
Views: 1,712
Posted By Deborah
An open discussion under oath would be great.

An open discussion under oath would be great.
Forum: Vaccinations   09-10-2014, 09:17 AM
Replies: 31
Views: 891
Posted By Deborah
I would say that increasing the likelihood of...

I would say that increasing the likelihood of mumps in adulthood is unsafe.

But nothing is PROVEN as yet.

And even if the whistleblowers win, it will be just a court case. Courts don't decide...
Forum: Vaccinations   09-10-2014, 06:13 AM
Replies: 72
Views: 1,712
Posted By Deborah
So. Thompson is honest. But he thinks that...

So. Thompson is honest. But he thinks that something really worrisome might have happened with that study, worrisome enough that the called up Hooker and talked to him, worrisome enough that he...
Forum: Vaccinations   09-10-2014, 05:52 AM
Replies: 35
Views: 978
Posted By Deborah
I've laid this out before, but I'm not sure if I...

I've laid this out before, but I'm not sure if I ever did so in this forum, so here goes.

I think that the vaccine program in the US should be able to have two out of three.

They could have...
Forum: Vaccinations   09-10-2014, 05:48 AM
Replies: 72
Views: 1,712
Posted By Deborah
The CDC only made one statement which didn't say...

The CDC only made one statement which didn't say anything definite. All the rest is bloggers speculating. Bloggers are really hard to sue, as are online commenters (LIKE US), so it is nice for the...
Forum: Vaccinations   09-09-2014, 07:23 PM
Replies: 72
Views: 1,712
Posted By Deborah
Hairsplitting. Careful definitions. ...

Hairsplitting.

Careful definitions.

Selective readings.

Whatever works.
Forum: Vaccinations   09-09-2014, 07:11 PM
Replies: 31
Views: 891
Posted By Deborah
All of the documents in this case are an...

All of the documents in this case are an interesting read.

I do wonder how those who like vaccines are going to explain this one away.

Probably just go for the "bad apple in every barrel"...
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