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Forum: Vaccinations   Yesterday, 09:18 PM
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Posted By kathymuggle
I know you asked this of becky, and maybe I...

I know you asked this of becky, and maybe I should just let this thread die…but I will briefly answer.

Vaccine decisions are made by those concerned with public health. I am primarily concerned...
Forum: Vaccinations   Yesterday, 07:42 PM
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Views: 684
Posted By kathymuggle
Are we arguing about conspiracy theories agian? ...

Are we arguing about conspiracy theories agian? It is wearying.

Here is the bottom line:

There are lots of non-vaxxers. Most are NOT conspiracy theorists - although some are. Big whoop. ...
Forum: Vaccinations   Yesterday, 07:25 PM
Replies: 349
Views: 4,101
Posted By kathymuggle
Well, then…. There is a vaccine for measles....

Well, then….

There is a vaccine for measles. It is relatively effective. There are people who can not be vaccinated or choose not to - it really does not matter which or why. Viruses do not...
Forum: Vaccinations   Yesterday, 01:16 PM
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Views: 4,101
Posted By kathymuggle
When I first read that post, I thought you were...

When I first read that post, I thought you were bang on- even though you undoubtably meant to be snarky.

Oh, and I do not think he is the King of Evil Doctors (was that the quote?) but I do not...
Forum: Vaccinations   Yesterday, 01:10 PM
Replies: 349
Views: 4,101
Posted By kathymuggle
kathy

kathy
Forum: Vaccinations   Yesterday, 12:52 PM
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Posted By kathymuggle
he benefits with: 1. Money!!! 2. if...

he benefits with:

1. Money!!!

2. if not money for himself, then his cronies.

3. And, more important that money, it indulges his paternalist god complex. Not only is he so certain he is...
Forum: Vaccinations   Yesterday, 12:41 PM
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Views: 4,101
Posted By kathymuggle
Right, I probably should not post, but have 15...

Right, I probably should not post, but have 15 minutes to spare and a coffee to drink….

I do not care if Offitt saw 5-7 people die of mealses in his hospital. The number, *to me*, is not worth...
Forum: Vaccinations   Yesterday, 06:55 AM
Replies: 10
Views: 154
Posted By kathymuggle
OTOH, bacteria wants to surivie and if a large...

OTOH, bacteria wants to surivie and if a large percentage of a population is vaccinted, bacteria will change in order to survive…i.e serotype replacement. Pneumococcal vaccine is offered up as an...
Forum: Vaccinations   01-23-2015, 12:32 PM
Replies: 349
Views: 4,101
Posted By kathymuggle
My defintion of health includes more than...

My defintion of health includes more than temporal, acute illness. I do not think a child with the measles is automatically unhealthy. They are just temporarily sick.
Forum: I'm Not Vaccinating   01-23-2015, 11:05 AM
Replies: 9
Views: 140
Posted By kathymuggle
Curiousity: any reaction from the recent MMR...

Curiousity: any reaction from the recent MMR dose? I had MMR as a 16 year old, and I was so sick for about 12 hours afterward! High fever, hallucination. I also passed out after the shot. I had...
Forum: I'm Not Vaccinating   01-23-2015, 11:02 AM
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Views: 140
Posted By kathymuggle
You're welcome. I found this from...

You're welcome.

I found this from Illinois. I would double check with info elsewhere, but if the incubation period typcially lasts for 10-14 days, there really might only have to be 4 days...
Forum: Vaccinations   01-23-2015, 10:54 AM
Replies: 349
Views: 4,101
Posted By kathymuggle
You know what ss834? I just do not know what the...

You know what ss834? I just do not know what the risks are of MMR. I don't think anyone does - the mechanism for collecting data on vaccine safety and vaccine reactions is incredibly flawed.

I...
Forum: Vaccinations   01-23-2015, 10:17 AM
Replies: 349
Views: 4,101
Posted By kathymuggle
Bolding mine. I hate the way this is worded. ...

Bolding mine. I hate the way this is worded. It is deliberately misinforming. 1-2/1000 fatalities for reported cases . The fatality rate in both the USA and Canada in the prevaccine era...
Forum: Vaccinations   01-23-2015, 06:55 AM
Replies: 349
Views: 4,101
Posted By kathymuggle
The measles component of the MMR is fairly...

The measles component of the MMR is fairly effective, IMHO. I am sure we could bicker about degrees, but who really cares? If you bring a vaxxed child to a closed area where someone has the...
Forum: Vaccinations   01-23-2015, 05:25 AM
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Posted By kathymuggle
This, plus opportunistic vaxxing. Person is...

This, plus opportunistic vaxxing. Person is scared, perhaps a little ignorant (or their knowledge flies out the window due to stress) and a hcp sees this as a good time to bring them up to date on...
Forum: I'm Not Vaccinating   01-22-2015, 08:28 PM
Replies: 9
Views: 140
Posted By kathymuggle
Do you have tickets for Disneyland? Does he know...

Do you have tickets for Disneyland? Does he know that is the destination?

My suspicion is that the outbreak might be over by then in that area. If it isn't you can play it by ear.

Is he...
Forum: Vaccinations   01-22-2015, 03:22 PM
Replies: 79
Views: 729
Posted By kathymuggle
kathy

kathy
Forum: Vaccinations   01-22-2015, 10:48 AM
Replies: 79
Views: 729
Posted By kathymuggle
Not sure whether to laugh or cry.... Flu...

Not sure whether to laugh or cry....


Flu vaccines take 2 weeks or so to be "effective". By mid March flu season is either over or almost over.


This case is not about science - it is...
Forum: Vaccinations   01-22-2015, 10:43 AM
Replies: 79
Views: 729
Posted By kathymuggle
kathy

kathy
Forum: Vaccinations   01-22-2015, 05:42 AM
Replies: 79
Views: 729
Posted By kathymuggle
I don't think the vaccine requirement insisting...

I don't think the vaccine requirement insisting everyone else in the house be vaccinated for the flu is in the best interest of the child. You asked if court decisions should stand up to scientific...
Forum: Vaccinations   01-21-2015, 09:26 PM
Replies: 79
Views: 729
Posted By kathymuggle
Yes and no. I believe judges can get things...

Yes and no. I believe judges can get things wrong, just like doctors and the scientific community can get things wrong. I do not automatically believe someone is right because they are in a...
Forum: Vaccinations   01-21-2015, 08:44 PM
Replies: 79
Views: 729
Posted By kathymuggle
The bolded is good enough for me when the chances...

The bolded is good enough for me when the chances of getting something like Polio is close to zero :wink:
Forum: I'm Not Vaccinating   01-21-2015, 08:40 PM
Replies: 20
Views: 180
Posted By kathymuggle
I found this further result on the Holmes study: ...

I found this further result on the Holmes study:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/27/us-amish-parents-idUSTRE75Q5SO20110627

"Ohio records showed about 45 percent of the Holmes county...
Forum: I'm Not Vaccinating   01-21-2015, 07:28 PM
Replies: 20
Views: 180
Posted By kathymuggle
Here is one: ...

Here is one:

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2011/06/23/peds.2009-2599.abstract
It is problematic only 37% responded.

"In January 2007, questionnaires for assessing...
Forum: I'm Not Vaccinating   01-21-2015, 07:23 PM
Replies: 20
Views: 180
Posted By kathymuggle
I will find you a link within the next 24 hours...

I will find you a link within the next 24 hours or so.

Suffice to say the Amish vaccinate less, and perhap substantially less, than the general public.
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