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Forum: Vaccinating on Schedule   06-27-2015, 12:20 PM
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Posted By prosciencemum
Oh sorry I missed this. I'd get advice from your...

Oh sorry I missed this. I'd get advice from your paediatrician or family doctor on this one. :)
Forum: Vaccinations   06-27-2015, 12:18 PM
Replies: 72
Views: 1,987
Posted By prosciencemum
Co-sleeping, extended BF, cloth nappy (diaper)...

Co-sleeping, extended BF, cloth nappy (diaper) using Mum here. Got a few odd looks (and a few people assuming all of that meant I wouldn't vaccinate) but nothing more.

A friend who is a social ...
Forum: Vaccinations   06-27-2015, 12:15 PM
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Posted By prosciencemum
Really sad news. I can't imagine how it must feel...

Really sad news. I can't imagine how it must feel to have lost a child to a disease that was totally preventable, but to have made a choice not to get the medicine that could have prevented it. I...
Forum: Vaccinations   06-20-2015, 12:24 AM
Replies: 33
Views: 1,163
Posted By prosciencemum
I completely agree it would be a good idea to...

I completely agree it would be a good idea to hand out a list of the ingredients in vaccines, but I'd like to see it done not just as a list of names of scary sounding ingredients, but with the...
Forum: Vaccinations   06-18-2015, 12:18 AM
Replies: 125
Views: 3,302
Posted By prosciencemum
I think this is a really important point - the...

I think this is a really important point - the point (as I see it) to ask questions it to determine conclusions, not to prove something that has already been decided to be true.

I apply this (part...
Forum: Vaccinations   06-15-2015, 11:21 PM
Replies: 125
Views: 3,302
Posted By prosciencemum
The fact that some medical interventions have...

The fact that some medical interventions have been demonstrated to be problematic, does not mean all will….

If you take this viewpoint you can never take any medicine at all (or in fact do...
Forum: Vaccinations   06-15-2015, 11:19 PM
Replies: 125
Views: 3,302
Posted By prosciencemum
The existence of websites which claim they...

The existence of websites which claim they promote vaccine safety, but almost never recommend vaccination as a good choice…

Also the continued claiming of conditions as caused by vaccines when we...
Forum: Vaccinations   06-15-2015, 11:17 PM
Replies: 125
Views: 3,302
Posted By prosciencemum
Can I just say how much I appreciate your...

Can I just say how much I appreciate your viewpoint on here. This is almost exactly what I was thinking about in response to this thread.

Actually I have had the exact similar situation in real...
Forum: Vaccinations   06-15-2015, 11:13 PM
Replies: 125
Views: 3,302
Posted By prosciencemum
It's not unacceptable - it's just tedious - this...

It's not unacceptable - it's just tedious - this assumption that anyone who has chosen to vaccinate must either

(a) not have seen the non-vax arguments, or

(b) not actually be a real mother. ...
Forum: Vaccinations   06-15-2015, 11:10 PM
Replies: 125
Views: 3,302
Posted By prosciencemum
Surely they are asking if the condition is...

Surely they are asking if the condition is medically confirmed, not if the link between vaccines and the condition (which is really hard to prove in any specific case).
Forum: Vaccinations   06-15-2015, 11:09 PM
Replies: 125
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Posted By prosciencemum
I personally do think that finding the truth is...

I personally do think that finding the truth is worth some pain. And I think anyone who goes public with a private story will have to expect questions.
Forum: Vaccinations   06-15-2015, 11:06 PM
Replies: 125
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Posted By prosciencemum
I don't think they should be interrogated or...

I don't think they should be interrogated or ridiculed. But if they post publicly that they believe that their child has had a vaccine reaction, then these seem like a good set of questions to ask to...
Forum: Vaccinations   06-15-2015, 11:01 PM
Replies: 14
Views: 567
Posted By prosciencemum
The statistical is also very weak (fishing for a...

The statistical is also very weak (fishing for a correlation with green jelly beans) as we have discussed, so perhaps he just doesn't believe it's going to hold up to further study….
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Forum: Vaccinations   06-14-2015, 10:50 AM
Replies: 114
Views: 2,736
Posted By prosciencemum
I think knitting is a much safer waiting activity...

I think knitting is a much safer waiting activity than eating popcorn - there's might be as much mercury in a serving of popcorn as there is in 10 thousand multi vial flu vaccines (note I totally...
Forum: Vaccinations   06-13-2015, 09:08 AM
Replies: 114
Views: 2,736
Posted By prosciencemum
They are not vaccines. They are antigens in the...

They are not vaccines. They are antigens in the environment. This is the point I am trying to make… (and what Paul Offit was aiming at too).

It combats the idea that the number of antigens in the...
Forum: Vaccinations   06-13-2015, 09:06 AM
Replies: 114
Views: 2,736
Posted By prosciencemum
I have no agenda there - I only mention it...

I have no agenda there - I only mention it because Deborah keeps hinting at amazing evidence which has been ignored for 40 years…. I have no recollection of that evidence ever actually being...
Forum: Vaccinations   06-13-2015, 09:05 AM
Replies: 125
Views: 3,302
Posted By prosciencemum
So we're supposed to accept the stories with no...

So we're supposed to accept the stories with no questioning at all? I can have compassion, without agreeing with someone's viewpoint on the cause of a bad event.

I see nothing wrong with any of...
Forum: Vaccinations   06-13-2015, 04:56 AM
Replies: 114
Views: 2,736
Posted By prosciencemum
Well mostly because I didn't think you'd really...

Well mostly because I didn't think you'd really listen.

But you're right I'm forgetting the lurkers.

The science really isn't against me. Paul Offit said a babies immune system deals with...
Forum: Vaccinations   06-13-2015, 04:53 AM
Replies: 24
Views: 694
Posted By prosciencemum
Why do you see lobbying as a conflict of...

Why do you see lobbying as a conflict of interest? The lobbyists are paid to represent something which will help a company (or a certain industry/point of view) - where the conflict?

(PS. as I...
Forum: Vaccinations   06-13-2015, 04:51 AM
Replies: 83
Views: 2,424
Posted By prosciencemum
I find it ironic as it's a misrepresentation of...

I find it ironic as it's a misrepresentation of what most pro vaccine people say.

We really talk past each other a lot in this "debate".
Forum: Vaccinations   06-13-2015, 04:50 AM
Replies: 83
Views: 2,424
Posted By prosciencemum
But I see this exact opinion as a complete...

But I see this exact opinion as a complete misrepresentation of western medicine, which says look after your health to boost your immune system - but also vaccines can help to train it to recognise...
Forum: Vaccinations   06-12-2015, 02:34 PM
Replies: 24
Views: 694
Posted By prosciencemum
I don't know that I'd call it a conflict of...

I don't know that I'd call it a conflict of interest. I don't think it should be allowed, because I don't think the rich should have more political sway than he poor.
Forum: Vaccinations   06-12-2015, 02:33 PM
Replies: 24
Views: 694
Posted By prosciencemum
That show might be on bbc America in the U.S.,...

That show might be on bbc America in the U.S., but in the UK it's made by a different channel which does have adverts.
Forum: Vaccinations   06-12-2015, 02:30 PM
Replies: 83
Views: 2,424
Posted By prosciencemum
Ironic - posting misrepresentations of provax...

Ironic - posting misrepresentations of provax viewpoints in a thread about feeling misrepresented.....
Forum: Vaccinations   06-11-2015, 01:37 PM
Replies: 83
Views: 2,424
Posted By prosciencemum
Just wanted to say I completely recognise this....

Just wanted to say I completely recognise this. It's a big privilege to be able to shut this stuff off. My kids are vaccinated and were just fine. I could stop thinking and caring about it and go...
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