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Forum: Vaccinations   Today, 10:44 AM
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Posted By kathymuggle
I think it is incredibly hard to judge a...

I think it is incredibly hard to judge a situation such as this - we are not involved, and for many of us it is very far away.

That being said, I do think non-mainstream choices, or non-compliant...
Forum: Vaccinations   05-20-2017, 05:34 AM
Replies: 27
Views: 642
Posted By kathymuggle
I don't think that is common usage. I have never...

I don't think that is common usage. I have never heard anyone use "that statement is hyoerbolic" to mean anything other than "that statement is an exaggeration." Either way, it does not hugely...
Forum: Vaccinations   05-19-2017, 11:57 AM
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Posted By kathymuggle
Playing with words: I think the suggestion...

Playing with words:

I think the suggestion to hang people is more than hyperbole. Hyperbole means to exaggerate. What exactly is being exaggerated with "ought to be a hanging offence?" I...
Forum: Vaccinations   05-19-2017, 11:06 AM
Replies: 87
Views: 1,625
Posted By kathymuggle
here is the abstract, if you do not want to visit...

here is the abstract, if you do not want to visit Greenmedia
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28388516
Forum: Vaccinations   05-19-2017, 10:27 AM
Replies: 87
Views: 1,625
Posted By kathymuggle
It is not a simple equation, but given the...

It is not a simple equation, but given the current rate of about 100 cases per year in your highly populated country, your chance of getting measles is currently very low in the USA, no matter which...
Forum: Vaccinations   05-19-2017, 10:00 AM
Replies: 87
Views: 1,625
Posted By kathymuggle
I still think the lifetime risk of getting...

I still think the lifetime risk of getting measles is lower than wining the lottery in the USA.

Your other points are valid.

Let's do it your way - let's say 10% of the population is not immune...
Forum: Vaccinations   05-19-2017, 09:47 AM
Replies: 51
Views: 974
Posted By kathymuggle
Valid points, Serenbat. The end game likely...

Valid points, Serenbat.

The end game likely is riling up the masses over taxes for political gain.
Forum: Vaccinations   05-19-2017, 09:40 AM
Replies: 87
Views: 1,625
Posted By kathymuggle
Minor quibble. 34 were treated and sent...

Minor quibble.

34 were treated and sent home, per your quote. We do not know how many were admitted to hospital.

ETA: read the article: 14 were admitted to children's hospital in Minn, as...
Forum: Vaccinations   05-19-2017, 09:37 AM
Replies: 87
Views: 1,625
Posted By kathymuggle
Thanks for the links. I did see the 30/500 one...

Thanks for the links. I did see the 30/500 one - but whether higher vaccination rates of MMR continue after the outbreak remains to be seen. My suspicion is outbreaks cause a temporary increase in...
Forum: Vaccinations   05-19-2017, 06:51 AM
Replies: 27
Views: 642
Posted By kathymuggle
Here is the offending quote: "These are the...

Here is the offending quote:

"These are the facts: Vaccines don’t cause autism. Measles can kill. And lying to vulnerable people about the health and safety of their children ought to be a hanging...
Forum: Vaccinations   05-19-2017, 06:23 AM
Replies: 51
Views: 974
Posted By kathymuggle
The article in the Op was spurred on by a...

The article in the Op was spurred on by a outbreak of measles in the Somali - Minnesota community.

Are they really suggesting cost shaming a refugee community with high poverty over their decision...
Forum: Vaccinations   05-19-2017, 06:02 AM
Replies: 87
Views: 1,625
Posted By kathymuggle
Did any pro-vaxxer consider the fact that...

Did any pro-vaxxer consider the fact that non-vaxxers, including Somali's, might have made peace with the fact their child is at slightly higher risk of getting VAD, including measles, and accept...
Forum: Vaccinations   05-19-2017, 05:56 AM
Replies: 87
Views: 1,625
Posted By kathymuggle
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/minnesota-meas...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/minnesota-measles-outbreak_us_591224dfe4b05e1ca202a154

It is pretty basic, but speaks to the fact that one of the reasons Minnesota Somalians stopped...
Forum: Vaccinations   05-18-2017, 05:23 PM
Replies: 27
Views: 642
Posted By kathymuggle
Originally Posted by teacozy View Post ...

Originally Posted by teacozy View Post
"@kathymuggle , anti/non vaxxers use violent imagery and hyperbole ALL the time."


I disagree that it is ALL the time...but moving along.

1. Your side...
Forum: Vaccinations   05-18-2017, 05:19 PM
Replies: 87
Views: 1,625
Posted By kathymuggle
moved comment to other thread

moved comment to other thread
Forum: Vaccinations   05-18-2017, 02:09 PM
Replies: 87
Views: 1,625
Posted By kathymuggle
And the fact they "aren't a protected class"...

And the fact they "aren't a protected class" means what exactly? That it is ok to harass people who aren't a protected class? That is what this kind of statement infers.
Forum: Vaccinations   05-18-2017, 02:02 PM
Replies: 87
Views: 1,625
Posted By kathymuggle
It is inappropriate (naive, stupid, hyperbolic)...

It is inappropriate (naive, stupid, hyperbolic) for the media to use that kind of phrase with such a volatile topic.
Forum: Vaccinations   05-18-2017, 06:19 AM
Replies: 10
Views: 288
Posted By kathymuggle
I think how the Somali's are being referred to is...

I think how the Somali's are being referred to is worse.

Why the distinction?

a) racism

b) calling people stupid for making a decision you do not agree with is the default Provax...
Forum: Vaccinations   05-18-2017, 05:27 AM
Replies: 27
Views: 638
Posted By kathymuggle
This discussion of large versus tiny quantities...

This discussion of large versus tiny quantities is silly.

What is really important is if the amount of toxin xyz in a vaccines is above safety levels, or if using a vaccine puts exposure above...
Forum: Vaccinations   05-17-2017, 08:13 PM
Replies: 51
Views: 974
Posted By kathymuggle
For anyone who does not have Serenbat blocked, I...

For anyone who does not have Serenbat blocked, I posted this, and then deleted it as I have no time atm to discuss it. Goodness knows why she considers the link rude.
...
Forum: Vaccinations   05-17-2017, 10:17 AM
Replies: 51
Views: 974
Posted By kathymuggle
About what? That I sometimes find complaining...

About what? That I sometimes find complaining about taxes, especially when done by the rich, distasteful? I am not alone in this and this is hardly a national issue. Everyone has taxes and...
Forum: Vaccinations   05-17-2017, 09:06 AM
Replies: 51
Views: 974
Posted By kathymuggle
Lol. Ok. Throwing stones at who? Those who...

Lol. Ok. Throwing stones at who? Those who attempt to cost shame people for not vaccinating, even though there is no evidence not vaccinating costs the government oodles of money (especially...
Forum: Vaccinations   05-17-2017, 08:27 AM
Replies: 51
Views: 974
Posted By kathymuggle
I understand it is not just about vaccines,...

I understand it is not just about vaccines, although that naturally does need to be the focus on this forum.

I get people like to complain about taxes or costing the public money. For some...
Forum: Vaccinations   05-17-2017, 08:00 AM
Replies: 51
Views: 974
Posted By kathymuggle
I looked up "cost shaming and health for kicks"...

I looked up "cost shaming and health for kicks" and got this:
...
Forum: Vaccinations   05-17-2017, 07:38 AM
Replies: 5
Views: 242
Posted By kathymuggle
adults skip recommended measles vaccine

Scroll down to this article:

U.S. Travelers Skip Measles Vaccines, Study Finds

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/u-s-travelers-skip-measles-vaccines-study-finds-n759961

It seems like...
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