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Forum: Vaccination Policies and Legislation   Yesterday, 11:10 AM
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Posted By kathymuggle
You might be right. I see them as a partner...

You might be right.

I see them as a partner in healthcare in that ideally we work together to ensure I have the information I need and the best options laid out.

I don't see them as a...
Forum: Vaccination Policies and Legislation   Yesterday, 08:11 AM
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Views: 677
Posted By kathymuggle
I am not sure anyone should typically have their...

I am not sure anyone should typically have their license revoked over holding a controversial opinion. That is a bit over the top. For example, a doctor should be able to say "I think people...
Forum: Vaccination Policies and Legislation   Yesterday, 08:04 AM
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Views: 677
Posted By kathymuggle
Does anyone here think medical boards should be...

Does anyone here think medical boards should be able to revoke licenses for being vaccine critical?

I think spreading straight up fallacies, such as "no one should ever get a vaccine - they are...
Forum: Vaccinations   09-26-2016, 01:44 PM
Replies: 54
Views: 1,092
Posted By kathymuggle
Overly broad strokes, Tea, I think the idea...

Overly broad strokes, Tea,

I think the idea of polio provocation is interesting, I have not bought into or dismissed any hypothesis based on this thread.

As a general rule, I see things...
Forum: Vaccination Policies and Legislation   09-26-2016, 01:10 PM
Replies: 30
Views: 677
Posted By kathymuggle
I am pretty sure the standard of care around...

I am pretty sure the standard of care around vaccine for doctor is to discuss the pros and cons of vaccines with their client, answer questions, and state the schedule. This certainly does leave...
Forum: Vaccinations   09-26-2016, 01:05 PM
Replies: 55
Views: 1,094
Posted By kathymuggle
Then everyone can decide whether to risk the...

Then everyone can decide whether to risk the vaccine or the potential disease.

When there is risk, there must be real choice.
Forum: Vaccinations   09-26-2016, 05:25 AM
Replies: 55
Views: 1,094
Posted By kathymuggle
It turns out blame is easier to place when the...

It turns out blame is easier to place when the judger feels the person is :

a) privileged
b) had a choice.


This supports my theory that choice might be a frame that is deliberately used (or...
Forum: Vaccinations   09-25-2016, 03:13 PM
Replies: 55
Views: 1,094
Posted By kathymuggle
Children with hep b are allowed in school, while...

Children with hep b are allowed in school, while children without hep b., but who are unvaccinated against hep. b are not. Very topsy turvy.
Forum: Vaccinations   09-25-2016, 02:30 PM
Replies: 55
Views: 1,094
Posted By kathymuggle
Then don't play, :) (no snark - but this thread...

Then don't play, :) (no snark - but this thread is about whether something can be called a choice if it is untenable. If you think this question is moot, skip the thread)

This thread is about...
Forum: Vaccinations   09-25-2016, 12:50 PM
Replies: 55
Views: 1,094
Posted By kathymuggle
I think this is moot to the question of whether...

I think this is moot to the question of whether it is a choice if it is untenable.
Forum: Vaccinations   09-25-2016, 12:49 PM
Replies: 55
Views: 1,094
Posted By kathymuggle
Thanks for answering.

Thanks for answering.
Forum: Vaccinations   09-25-2016, 11:38 AM
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Views: 1,094
Posted By kathymuggle
So, Dakotacake and Dear Rosemary...would you...

So, Dakotacake and Dear Rosemary...would you agree that abortion/a particular medication is still a choice if it is costed out of reach of most people (such as income of 50K, while the procedures...
Forum: Vaccinations   09-25-2016, 11:28 AM
Replies: 55
Views: 1,094
Posted By kathymuggle
But then we run into this situation....

But then we run into this situation....
Forum: Vaccinations   09-25-2016, 11:02 AM
Replies: 55
Views: 1,094
Posted By kathymuggle
This conversation came about because people have...

This conversation came about because people have argued that it is ok to have mandates because people are free to choose whether to vaccinate, as they can always HS if they do not vaccinate.
...
Forum: Vaccinations   09-25-2016, 08:18 AM
Replies: 55
Views: 1,094
Posted By kathymuggle
Oops. Forgot. Alternate example so we...

Oops. Forgot.

Alternate example so we discuss freedom of choice versus an abortion debate:

You have a serious chronic disease. It impacts greatly your quality of life. Your family earns...
Forum: Vaccinations   09-25-2016, 08:10 AM
Replies: 55
Views: 1,094
Posted By kathymuggle
I do not want this thread to became about...

I do not want this thread to became about pro-life or pro-choice. We really are not allowed to debate abortion, anyways.

I used abortion as an example, but I will propose an alternate example in...
Forum: Vaccinations   09-24-2016, 11:24 AM
Replies: 55
Views: 1,094
Posted By kathymuggle
choice.....

I asked a question on another thread, and I think it is a good one, so i am going to give it its own thread.

Zuloo has declared that abortion is legal is zuloo.

The average family income in...
Forum: Vaccinations   09-23-2016, 10:58 AM
Replies: 6
Views: 226
Posted By kathymuggle
This is a tricky question, and I think you need...

This is a tricky question, and I think you need to look at each disease individually.

What were the rates pre-vaccine? How do we know? What are the rates now? How do we know? Are there...
Forum: Vaccinations   09-23-2016, 10:15 AM
Replies: 649
Views: 19,684
Posted By kathymuggle
Bumping this question in case it was missed.

Bumping this question in case it was missed.
Forum: Vaccinations   09-23-2016, 10:12 AM
Replies: 649
Views: 19,684
Posted By kathymuggle
I do not equate pro-compliance with pro-forced...

I do not equate pro-compliance with pro-forced vaccine. Lots of people think we should just defer to the schedule/doctors/CDC because they are the experts, but some would not go so far as mandating...
Forum: Vaccinations   09-23-2016, 09:35 AM
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Views: 19,684
Posted By kathymuggle
Would abortion still be said to be "a choice" if...

Would abortion still be said to be "a choice" if you had to pay $100 000 and visit several doctors till you find one willing to do it?
Forum: Vaccinations   09-23-2016, 09:29 AM
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Views: 19,684
Posted By kathymuggle
I disagree. Mandates are coercive. ...

I disagree.

Mandates are coercive.

If you believe in coercion, you cannot simultaneously believe in informed choice.
Forum: Vaccinations   09-23-2016, 09:27 AM
Replies: 649
Views: 19,684
Posted By kathymuggle
I missed this. The answer is yes. If you...

I missed this. The answer is yes. If you believe someone should comply with seatbelt laws for the sake of compliance, then you are pro-compliance. Are you thus anti informed choice in this...
Forum: Vaccinations   09-23-2016, 09:11 AM
Replies: 649
Views: 19,684
Posted By kathymuggle
Being in favour of strict school exemptions is...

Being in favour of strict school exemptions is being anti informed choice.


It is very entitled to think everyone has a choice about going to school. Some kids need (not a word I use lightly)...
Forum: Vaccinations   09-23-2016, 08:50 AM
Replies: 6
Views: 226
Posted By kathymuggle
Please take a look at vaccine intake stats and...

Please take a look at vaccine intake stats and get back to us.

Vaccine intake is high and stable. The outbreak in measles in the USA was not caused by low vaccination rate in the USA.

There...
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