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Forum: Vaccinations   Yesterday, 02:40 PM
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Posted By kathymuggle
can causation be established where vaccinne reactions are concerned?

My hunch is "no."

There is no definitive test that clearly shows a vaccine reaction.

Statements such as "correlation is not causation" are frequently made on MDC. On face value it is true -...
Forum: Vaccinations   Yesterday, 02:15 PM
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Views: 1,329
Posted By kathymuggle
"Causal Associations are those in which changes...

"Causal Associations are those in which changes in the exposure produce changes in his outcome. In epidemiology, we cannot prove causal associations because it is impossible to account for all the...
Forum: Vaccinations   Yesterday, 09:59 AM
Replies: 43
Views: 992
Posted By kathymuggle
I know a range. It is not a cake walk for any of...

I know a range. It is not a cake walk for any of them.


I used to think that maybe those with autism used to congregate in groups - and perhaps they looked more numerous than they are. Nope. ...
Forum: Vaccinations   Yesterday, 09:48 AM
Replies: 43
Views: 992
Posted By kathymuggle
Sorry about that. Still Autism Speaks - but a...

Sorry about that. Still Autism Speaks - but a different page:


http://www.autismspeaks.org/sites/default/files/sctk_about_autism.pdf



"Each individual with autism is unique. Many of those...
Forum: Vaccinations   Yesterday, 06:33 AM
Replies: 62
Views: 1,329
Posted By kathymuggle
Unless I am reading you and tadamsar wrong, you...

Unless I am reading you and tadamsar wrong, you are both suggesting individual doctors dismiss patient/parental reports of significant reaction (and by dismiss, I mean the terms laid out in an above...
Forum: Vaccinations   Yesterday, 06:25 AM
Replies: 43
Views: 992
Posted By kathymuggle
As an aside…this description really misses the...

As an aside…this description really misses the ball. I am not sure if you are deliberately picking the mildest manifestation of autism to make your point or have little idea of what autism looks...
Forum: I'm Not Vaccinating   Yesterday, 05:49 AM
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Views: 163
Posted By kathymuggle
What state are you in?

What state are you in?
Forum: Vaccinations   Yesterday, 05:26 AM
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Views: 992
Posted By kathymuggle
"Only 63 per cent of First Nations children on...

"Only 63 per cent of First Nations children on selected reserves accessed a doctor in 2001; 46 per cent of Inuit children and 77 per cent Métis children did so, compared to 85 per cent of Canadian...
Forum: Vaccinations   Yesterday, 05:17 AM
Replies: 43
Views: 992
Posted By kathymuggle
It is a thread about autism, and aborginals were...

It is a thread about autism, and aborginals were specifically mentionned in the OP. No one is trying to brush other heath issues under the table.

I do indeed think high functioning autism might...
Forum: Vaccinations   07-30-2014, 08:15 PM
Replies: 62
Views: 1,329
Posted By kathymuggle
That is right. I said I would believe a parent if...

That is right. I said I would believe a parent if they said they witnessed a regression. Many regressions are pretty clear. How little faith in parents you seem to have. Would I swear on a stack of...
Forum: Vaccinations   07-30-2014, 05:50 PM
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Posted By kathymuggle
I think you need to reread my thread. I said if...

I think you need to reread my thread. I said if I believed my child had a serious vaccine reaction. I did not use the word "know." In order to have even close to 100% certainty that a vaccine...
Forum: Vaccinations   07-30-2014, 09:55 AM
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Posted By kathymuggle
…and back on track… #4...

…and back on track…

#4 (http://www.mothering.com/forum/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=4)

-I know it lists that reaction in the vaccine pamphlet, but those things lie!

-I know the...
Forum: Vaccinations   07-30-2014, 09:46 AM
Replies: 62
Views: 1,329
Posted By kathymuggle
I think (IIRC) the death toll in Europe in recent...

I think (IIRC) the death toll in Europe in recent outbreaks was around 1/2400 reported cases. Do not confuse reported cases from actual cases - as some cases surely went unreported. In largely...
Forum: Vaccinations   07-30-2014, 09:14 AM
Replies: 62
Views: 1,329
Posted By kathymuggle
Glad you admit they are not necessary. You...

Glad you admit they are not necessary. You should edit your post. You probably just meant "a really good idea in some places."

Here is what WHO had to say about measles deaths:

"Measles is...
Forum: Vaccinations   07-30-2014, 09:06 AM
Replies: 43
Views: 992
Posted By kathymuggle
Yes, but you kept saying MMR (post 15 and 19). ...

Yes, but you kept saying MMR (post 15 and 19). Oh, well, it doesn't really matter.

You could list places or communites with high vax, low autism…then I could turn around and list places with low...
Forum: Vaccinations   07-30-2014, 08:34 AM
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Posted By kathymuggle
This was explored on an other thread, but if I...

This was explored on an other thread, but if I had a six month who had what I believe to be a serious reaction to a vaccine and a health care professional said it was:

1. a coincidence
2. minor...
Forum: Vaccinations   07-30-2014, 07:55 AM
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Posted By kathymuggle
Deborah, #4...

Deborah, #4 (http://www.mothering.com/forum/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=4) would include:

coincidence.

It is just a coincidence your child developed xyz on the same days as the...
Forum: Vaccinations   07-30-2014, 07:42 AM
Replies: 62
Views: 1,329
Posted By kathymuggle
Most people are not worried about temporary sore...

Most people are not worried about temporary sore arms or even low grade fevers/fussiness. That is a bit of a myth.

They worry about serious reactions from vaccines and/or reactions that link to...
Forum: Vaccinations   07-30-2014, 06:20 AM
Replies: 62
Views: 1,329
Posted By kathymuggle
Deborah…I am usually game to play, but it is...

Deborah…I am usually game to play, but it is escaping me what you are doing.

Do you want us to post "excuses" about vaccine failure?
Forum: Vaccinations   07-29-2014, 04:07 PM
Replies: 43
Views: 992
Posted By kathymuggle
You are hyper focusing on MMR. What about the...

You are hyper focusing on MMR. What about the rest of the schedule?


Your original post said Arkansas was a state with a higher level of autism - yet the link only shows 11 states. What about...
Forum: Vaccinations   07-29-2014, 12:45 PM
Replies: 43
Views: 992
Posted By kathymuggle
Your link does not prove your point. If you...

Your link does not prove your point.

If you look at table 2, you will not that Arkansas ties for 5/6 place out of 11 for autism prevalence numbers.

Colorado does have lower ASD rates (#3 out...
Forum: Vaccinations   07-29-2014, 10:01 AM
Replies: 43
Views: 992
Posted By kathymuggle
http://www.aihw.gov.au/assets/0/10737418249/107374...

http://www.aihw.gov.au/assets/0/10737418249/10737418252/10737418307/4d117d40-699e-4cf5-b4c3-928d05315c01.gif...
Forum: Vaccinations   07-29-2014, 09:40 AM
Replies: 43
Views: 992
Posted By kathymuggle
So…I am not going to talk about Israel. I could...

So…I am not going to talk about Israel. I could cobble together stuff from the interent, but really, it is quite beyond my knowledge level.

I am a tad better on Canada.

It looks like First...
Forum: Vaccinations   07-29-2014, 07:56 AM
Replies: 54
Views: 1,188
Posted By kathymuggle
Bumping up this question.

Bumping up this question.
Forum: Vaccinations   07-29-2014, 07:47 AM
Replies: 54
Views: 1,188
Posted By kathymuggle
Good to know.

Good to know.
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