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Forum: Vaccinations   Yesterday, 07:35 PM
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Posted By kathymuggle
Lol. She really seemed most upset that...

Lol.

She really seemed most upset that people did not trust her and would not listen to her and that she had to have the same conversations over and over again (duh - the conversation may be...
Forum: Vaccinations   Yesterday, 07:25 PM
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Views: 1,573
Posted By kathymuggle
I can't make you answer...but I should think you...

I can't make you answer...but I should think you would understand that it is difficult to understand your position if you say you do not believe in employees losing their job on one hand, while...
Forum: Vaccinations   Yesterday, 07:15 PM
Replies: 49
Views: 1,078
Posted By kathymuggle
I am not entirely buying any of this post. ...

I am not entirely buying any of this post.

Doctors who will see vaxxed children but not unvaxxed children are not promoting equitable access to health care. There really isn't any way around...
Forum: Vaccinations   Yesterday, 03:23 PM
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Views: 1,078
Posted By kathymuggle
KSL - so, vote please: Do you place...

KSL - so, vote please:

Do you place tolerance or safety higher in society?
Forum: Vaccinations   Yesterday, 03:06 PM
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Views: 1,078
Posted By kathymuggle
kathy

kathy
Forum: Vaccinations   Yesterday, 06:40 AM
Replies: 80
Views: 1,573
Posted By kathymuggle
bumping this question. If you maintain...

bumping this question.

If you maintain employees should not lose their jobs, but also maintain pregnant women should not have extra workplace based rights, then what do you think should happen...
Forum: Vaccinations   Yesterday, 06:12 AM
Replies: 1
Views: 188
Posted By kathymuggle
If you look in the supplementary material, you...

If you look in the supplementary material, you will note numbers in each group are quite small:

http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/wp-content/uploads/advpub/2015/2/ehp.1408257.s001.508.pdf
Forum: Vaccinations   04-25-2015, 03:19 PM
Replies: 34
Views: 989
Posted By kathymuggle
Formula, for example. ________ I am...

Formula, for example.
________

I am willing to believe the individual mentioned in the first post did it at least partly for benevolence. Sure, why not? Lots of people are philanthropic.
...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-25-2015, 03:09 PM
Replies: 49
Views: 1,078
Posted By kathymuggle
I am sort of surprised that no one has said it is...

I am sort of surprised that no one has said it is justified, in the name of saving lives.

I do get that point of view, even if I disagree.

If I had to choose between a semi fascist state...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-25-2015, 02:58 PM
Replies: 49
Views: 1,078
Posted By kathymuggle
Glad to hear it. No snark. It can be easy...

Glad to hear it. No snark.

It can be easy to forget that there are people out there who are just pro-vax without being pro-mandatory vaccine, pro nastiness, etc. I think the more moderate...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-25-2015, 12:02 PM
Replies: 49
Views: 1,078
Posted By kathymuggle
so, lets say everything pro-vaxxers worry about is right.....

Pro-vax POV:

If non-vaxxing or selective/delaying becomes an acceptable option and grows in number, then diseases (with the related deaths and complications) will also grow in number.

Let's...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-25-2015, 06:29 AM
Replies: 80
Views: 1,573
Posted By kathymuggle
The word you have used repeatedly is recommended....

The word you have used repeatedly is recommended. Recommended=/=required.

Saying the FDA hasn't changed it because of paperwork seems weak.

A woman is pregnant. Her employer wants her to...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-24-2015, 05:51 PM
Replies: 108
Views: 2,114
Posted By kathymuggle
I am not claiming you are lying and I know...

I am not claiming you are lying and I know like-minded people do congregate...but I thought it would be fun to do some math.

Chance of being completely unvaxxed:

3/1000

Chance of any given...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-24-2015, 05:44 PM
Replies: 80
Views: 1,573
Posted By kathymuggle
It might not be changing views on vaccination. ...

It might not be changing views on vaccination. Many women probably do not look into vaccines during pregnancy until they are pregnant or ttc. I can easily imagine a woman being fine with vaccines...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-24-2015, 03:17 PM
Replies: 12
Views: 335
Posted By kathymuggle
I suppose I am more asking if it is reasonable. ...

I suppose I am more asking if it is reasonable.

Is it reasonable to be annoyed that you took a voluntary risk that someone else did not take? If it isn't reasonable - then why should I care?
Forum: Vaccinations   04-24-2015, 03:11 PM
Replies: 80
Views: 1,573
Posted By kathymuggle
I do not think agreeing to yearly flu vaccines...

I do not think agreeing to yearly flu vaccines and regular boosters as conditions of employment in non pregnancy should mean that you have to accept vaccination during pregnancy. Do you?
Forum: Vaccinations   04-24-2015, 01:13 PM
Replies: 12
Views: 335
Posted By kathymuggle
Vaccines are voluntary (sort of...for now). ...

Vaccines are voluntary (sort of...for now).

I do not understand resenting someone because they did not take a risk that you (general you) did not have to take.

I live in snow-land. I...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-24-2015, 12:59 PM
Replies: 80
Views: 1,573
Posted By kathymuggle
You are too fast on the keyboard, lol. I...

You are too fast on the keyboard, lol. I deleted it - not because I have changed my mind, but because getting into a nasty-fest does not seem productive.
Forum: Vaccinations   04-24-2015, 12:56 PM
Replies: 80
Views: 1,573
Posted By kathymuggle
I think there is a bit of talking circles: ...

I think there is a bit of talking circles:

ss834 - do you think pregnant nurses should lose their jobs if they refuse DTaP and flu vaccines?
Forum: Vaccinations   04-24-2015, 12:45 PM
Replies: 80
Views: 1,573
Posted By kathymuggle
nm - darn thing won't delete

nm - darn thing won't delete
Forum: Vaccinations   04-24-2015, 12:40 PM
Replies: 80
Views: 1,573
Posted By kathymuggle
Actually, pregnant women do have different rights...

Actually, pregnant women do have different rights than the regular population in terms of employment.

My sister was placed on paid leave during her pregnancy because her work environment at the...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-24-2015, 12:28 PM
Replies: 80
Views: 1,573
Posted By kathymuggle
Cross-posted. Great minds and all that.....

Cross-posted. Great minds and all that.....
Forum: Vaccinations   04-24-2015, 12:27 PM
Replies: 80
Views: 1,573
Posted By kathymuggle
Generally speaking where I live: a pregnant...

Generally speaking where I live: a pregnant women should be excused from duties that are deemed dangerous to fetuses.

If a woman works with toxic chemicals, she will be on desk duty or on paid ...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-24-2015, 10:31 AM
Replies: 108
Views: 2,114
Posted By kathymuggle
My earlier point was addressed to tea. Tea...

My earlier point was addressed to tea. Tea loves science. I was simply pointing out the thing she was mocking (epigenetics) is something scientists are studying in relation to ASD. Perhaps she...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-24-2015, 08:34 AM
Replies: 108
Views: 2,114
Posted By kathymuggle
Lol. Did you see the graph I posted on the...

Lol.

Did you see the graph I posted on the MMR/ASD thread on how research dollars were spent? If IIRC properly, 7% goes towards epigenetics. Scientists are interested in this field. Find them...
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