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Forum: Vaccinations   04-25-2015, 03:19 PM
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Posted By kathymuggle
Formula, for example. ________ I am...

Formula, for example.
________

I am willing to believe the individual mentioned in the first post did it at least partly for benevolence. Sure, why not? Lots of people are philanthropic.
...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-25-2015, 03:09 PM
Replies: 49
Views: 1,078
Posted By kathymuggle
I am sort of surprised that no one has said it is...

I am sort of surprised that no one has said it is justified, in the name of saving lives.

I do get that point of view, even if I disagree.

If I had to choose between a semi fascist state...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-25-2015, 02:58 PM
Replies: 49
Views: 1,078
Posted By kathymuggle
Glad to hear it. No snark. It can be easy...

Glad to hear it. No snark.

It can be easy to forget that there are people out there who are just pro-vax without being pro-mandatory vaccine, pro nastiness, etc. I think the more moderate...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-25-2015, 12:02 PM
Replies: 49
Views: 1,078
Posted By kathymuggle
so, lets say everything pro-vaxxers worry about is right.....

Pro-vax POV:

If non-vaxxing or selective/delaying becomes an acceptable option and grows in number, then diseases (with the related deaths and complications) will also grow in number.

Let's...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-25-2015, 06:29 AM
Replies: 80
Views: 1,573
Posted By kathymuggle
The word you have used repeatedly is recommended....

The word you have used repeatedly is recommended. Recommended=/=required.

Saying the FDA hasn't changed it because of paperwork seems weak.

A woman is pregnant. Her employer wants her to...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-24-2015, 05:51 PM
Replies: 108
Views: 2,114
Posted By kathymuggle
I am not claiming you are lying and I know...

I am not claiming you are lying and I know like-minded people do congregate...but I thought it would be fun to do some math.

Chance of being completely unvaxxed:

3/1000

Chance of any given...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-24-2015, 05:44 PM
Replies: 80
Views: 1,573
Posted By kathymuggle
It might not be changing views on vaccination. ...

It might not be changing views on vaccination. Many women probably do not look into vaccines during pregnancy until they are pregnant or ttc. I can easily imagine a woman being fine with vaccines...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-24-2015, 03:17 PM
Replies: 12
Views: 335
Posted By kathymuggle
I suppose I am more asking if it is reasonable. ...

I suppose I am more asking if it is reasonable.

Is it reasonable to be annoyed that you took a voluntary risk that someone else did not take? If it isn't reasonable - then why should I care?
Forum: Vaccinations   04-24-2015, 03:11 PM
Replies: 80
Views: 1,573
Posted By kathymuggle
I do not think agreeing to yearly flu vaccines...

I do not think agreeing to yearly flu vaccines and regular boosters as conditions of employment in non pregnancy should mean that you have to accept vaccination during pregnancy. Do you?
Forum: Vaccinations   04-24-2015, 01:13 PM
Replies: 12
Views: 335
Posted By kathymuggle
Vaccines are voluntary (sort of...for now). ...

Vaccines are voluntary (sort of...for now).

I do not understand resenting someone because they did not take a risk that you (general you) did not have to take.

I live in snow-land. I...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-24-2015, 12:59 PM
Replies: 80
Views: 1,573
Posted By kathymuggle
You are too fast on the keyboard, lol. I...

You are too fast on the keyboard, lol. I deleted it - not because I have changed my mind, but because getting into a nasty-fest does not seem productive.
Forum: Vaccinations   04-24-2015, 12:56 PM
Replies: 80
Views: 1,573
Posted By kathymuggle
I think there is a bit of talking circles: ...

I think there is a bit of talking circles:

ss834 - do you think pregnant nurses should lose their jobs if they refuse DTaP and flu vaccines?
Forum: Vaccinations   04-24-2015, 12:45 PM
Replies: 80
Views: 1,573
Posted By kathymuggle
nm - darn thing won't delete

nm - darn thing won't delete
Forum: Vaccinations   04-24-2015, 12:40 PM
Replies: 80
Views: 1,573
Posted By kathymuggle
Actually, pregnant women do have different rights...

Actually, pregnant women do have different rights than the regular population in terms of employment.

My sister was placed on paid leave during her pregnancy because her work environment at the...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-24-2015, 12:28 PM
Replies: 80
Views: 1,573
Posted By kathymuggle
Cross-posted. Great minds and all that.....

Cross-posted. Great minds and all that.....
Forum: Vaccinations   04-24-2015, 12:27 PM
Replies: 80
Views: 1,573
Posted By kathymuggle
Generally speaking where I live: a pregnant...

Generally speaking where I live: a pregnant women should be excused from duties that are deemed dangerous to fetuses.

If a woman works with toxic chemicals, she will be on desk duty or on paid ...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-24-2015, 10:31 AM
Replies: 108
Views: 2,114
Posted By kathymuggle
My earlier point was addressed to tea. Tea...

My earlier point was addressed to tea. Tea loves science. I was simply pointing out the thing she was mocking (epigenetics) is something scientists are studying in relation to ASD. Perhaps she...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-24-2015, 08:34 AM
Replies: 108
Views: 2,114
Posted By kathymuggle
Lol. Did you see the graph I posted on the...

Lol.

Did you see the graph I posted on the MMR/ASD thread on how research dollars were spent? If IIRC properly, 7% goes towards epigenetics. Scientists are interested in this field. Find them...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-24-2015, 08:23 AM
Replies: 108
Views: 2,114
Posted By kathymuggle
You might think some of us set the bar too high...

You might think some of us set the bar too high (although given the fact we are dealing with prophylactic measure in healthy, often very young populations - the bar should be high) I suspect some...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-24-2015, 07:58 AM
Replies: 108
Views: 2,114
Posted By kathymuggle
The scientists who said loudly and clearly...

The scientists who said loudly and clearly "tobacco is bad for you" were not scientists from the tobacco industry. The tobacco industry (naturally) defended itself and denied problems with its...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-24-2015, 07:31 AM
Replies: 87
Views: 2,791
Posted By kathymuggle
Many kids hand flap, have poor eye contact,...

Many kids hand flap, have poor eye contact, tippy-toe etc without developping ASD. These are very soft markers.

Hindsight videos are fairly useless in my opinion. You can just cobble together...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-24-2015, 07:14 AM
Replies: 108
Views: 2,114
Posted By kathymuggle
I think humans as a species probably do take a...

I think humans as a species probably do take a long time to change their minds...and maybe that is ok.

I suspects minds change easier when the consequences of being wrong are not so grave.
Forum: Vaccinations   04-24-2015, 07:05 AM
Replies: 108
Views: 2,114
Posted By kathymuggle
If all correlations equaled all causations we...

If all correlations equaled all causations we would feel completely powerless to effect change and would probably throw up our hands in defeat. :wink:

It happens a fair bit, actually. There...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-24-2015, 06:50 AM
Replies: 108
Views: 2,114
Posted By kathymuggle
:frown: Sucks, eh? I will probably keep my...

:frown: Sucks, eh?

I will probably keep my mouth shut on the issue, while fervently praying to a god I only quasi believe in for female grandchildren, which induces a fair bit of guilt in me, to...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-24-2015, 06:42 AM
Replies: 108
Views: 2,114
Posted By kathymuggle
Correlation is not causation is a true...

Correlation is not causation is a true statement.....but it is not the whole picture. Correlation can be a signal that something needs to be looked at. There are correlation that upon...
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