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Forum: Vaccinations   06-21-2017, 09:03 AM
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Posted By kathymuggle
Wanting school based vaccine mandates on one hand...

Wanting school based vaccine mandates on one hand while claiming to support informed consent on the other hand is hypocritical.
Forum: Vaccinations   06-20-2017, 08:03 AM
Replies: 18
Views: 549
Posted By kathymuggle
bumpity - bump - bump We had a nice...

bumpity - bump - bump

We had a nice discussion on non vax and hypocrisy...I would be interested in hearing from pro-vaxxers on whether they think anything on this list may have some truth to it.
Forum: Vaccinations   06-19-2017, 11:24 AM
Replies: 45
Views: 923
Posted By kathymuggle
Says who? If a bunch (thousands) of...

Says who?

If a bunch (thousands) of pro-vaxxers start to make claims that their child's excema cleared up immediately post MMR vaccination (for example) then it would be hypocritical for...
Forum: Vaccination Policies and Legislation   06-19-2017, 11:14 AM
Replies: 9
Views: 279
Posted By kathymuggle
I read the article to see if there was anything I...

I read the article to see if there was anything I missed. My initial response was going on Tea summary.

Now that I have read the article...my response does not change much.

I support...
Forum: Vaccination Policies and Legislation   06-19-2017, 04:40 AM
Replies: 9
Views: 279
Posted By kathymuggle
Off the top of my head - I am ok with exclusion...

Off the top of my head - I am ok with exclusion to school for measles, given both the potential severity of measles and the high communicability. I am not ok with him losing the "starting position"...
Forum: Vaccinations   06-18-2017, 06:49 PM
Replies: 45
Views: 923
Posted By kathymuggle
Sorry - but this is just funny. It is extremely...

Sorry - but this is just funny. It is extremely common for pro-vaxxers to share horror stories of children who got the measles, pertussis, etc. They are individual stories (anecdotes) meant to...
Forum: Vaccinations   06-18-2017, 10:34 AM
Replies: 45
Views: 923
Posted By kathymuggle
Well, the other issue with the "you accept that...

Well, the other issue with the "you accept that vaccine will cause nasty side effects (example: seizures) but do not accept that they cause good side effects (such as no seizures) " is because the...
Forum: Vaccinations   06-17-2017, 12:16 PM
Replies: 45
Views: 923
Posted By kathymuggle
There are few things going on when messages get...

There are few things going on when messages get misinterpreted

1. The non-vaxxer (or pro-vaxxers, as the case may be) write sloppily or without clarity for one reason or another.

2. The...
Forum: Vaccinations   06-17-2017, 12:02 PM
Replies: 45
Views: 923
Posted By kathymuggle
I acknowledge he did not say *all* non-vaxxers. ...

I acknowledge he did not say *all* non-vaxxers. I don't think it is a "get-out-of-jail -free-card" though. I think it is is fair to say that he was pointing our hypocrisy (as he saw them) in ideas...
Forum: Vaccinations   06-14-2017, 06:14 AM
Replies: 45
Views: 923
Posted By kathymuggle
Part 2 (end of list from article in OP): ...

Part 2 (end of list from article in OP):


6. Measles are good for you, but vaccine shedding is bad.

False - or a misinterpretation.

How non-vaxxers feel towards measles is quite...
Forum: Vaccinations   06-13-2017, 11:51 AM
Replies: 72
Views: 2,407
Posted By kathymuggle
Agreed. The thing with serotype replacement is...

Agreed. The thing with serotype replacement is it takes time to occur. We don't even have high intake of the vaccine yet. As always, once cervical cancer rates drop (outside expected levels )...
Forum: Vaccinations   06-13-2017, 11:37 AM
Replies: 45
Views: 923
Posted By kathymuggle
I made a separate post on pro-vax hypocrisy so...

I made a separate post on pro-vax hypocrisy so this thread does not become unwieldy.
Forum: Vaccinations   06-13-2017, 11:35 AM
Replies: 18
Views: 549
Posted By kathymuggle
so I made a list...hypocricy

I thought I would make my own list of pro-vax hypocricy, seeing as there is a non-vax one circulating :>:D This is clearly an "in general" list and does not apply to all pro-vaxxers.


1. " We...
Forum: Vaccinations   06-13-2017, 11:29 AM
Replies: 45
Views: 923
Posted By kathymuggle
It is a bit of a cop out - isn't it? I will...

It is a bit of a cop out - isn't it?

I will also point out that not trusting studies is the result of continually ignoring/dismissing serious issues with studies. Pro-vaxxers created this...
Forum: Vaccinations   06-13-2017, 08:44 AM
Replies: 45
Views: 923
Posted By kathymuggle
To be clear, in case I wasn't, when I said point...

To be clear, in case I wasn't, when I said point one was a bit of a strawman, I was referring to point one in the link that said this:

"1. Only parents know what is best for their children…unless...
Forum: Vaccinations   06-13-2017, 08:38 AM
Replies: 45
Views: 923
Posted By kathymuggle
To a degree, I think point one is a bit of a...

To a degree, I think point one is a bit of a strawman...or just worded badly.

I don't think people say "Only parents know what is best for their children" very often when arguing why they are...
Forum: Vaccinations   06-13-2017, 06:21 AM
Replies: 45
Views: 923
Posted By kathymuggle
Going through the list from the link (there are 5...

Going through the list from the link (there are 5 more - I will get to them later)

1. Only parents know what is best for their children…unless you’re pro-vaccine, then you are a blind sheeple that...
Forum: Vaccinations   06-13-2017, 05:44 AM
Replies: 45
Views: 923
Posted By kathymuggle
hypocrisy/double standards....

Got this from somewhere >:D

https://thelogicofscience.com/2015/07/13/10-hypocrisiesdouble-standards-of-the-anti-vaccine-movement/

I thought it might be a fun and reflective exercise to go...
Forum: Vaccination Policies and Legislation   06-13-2017, 05:20 AM
Replies: 42
Views: 1,027
Posted By kathymuggle
The schools in this area have always sent home...

The schools in this area have always sent home letters saying when immunize day was, and giving me a consent form. Once they cancelled - I do not remember why, but I found the follow up was...
Forum: Vaccination Policies and Legislation   06-12-2017, 11:59 AM
Replies: 42
Views: 1,027
Posted By kathymuggle
Right. But sometimes proof does not...

Right. But sometimes proof does not exist...that does not mean something did not happen. It just means it wasn't recorded or measured.

I *personally* think the bar of "proof" before one is...
Forum: Vaccinations   06-12-2017, 11:35 AM
Replies: 72
Views: 2,407
Posted By kathymuggle
How old is your child? Welcome to MDC!

How old is your child?

Welcome to MDC!
Forum: Vaccination Policies and Legislation   06-12-2017, 11:33 AM
Replies: 42
Views: 1,027
Posted By kathymuggle
I am not sure why "proof" is required - and I am...

I am not sure why "proof" is required - and I am pretty darn sure proof doesn't exist. (there aren't studies on how many times schools reschedule vaccines days - and how well they communicate said...
Forum: Vaccination Policies and Legislation   06-11-2017, 08:14 PM
Replies: 42
Views: 1,027
Posted By kathymuggle
I suspect that most of the time an unvaxxed child...

I suspect that most of the time an unvaxxed child goes to school on vaccine day everything goes smoothly and they come home unvaxxed. Things like sharpies could help. While I have no statistics,...
Forum: Vaccination Policies and Legislation   06-11-2017, 05:16 PM
Replies: 42
Views: 1,027
Posted By kathymuggle
Straight up true. My middle child had a...

Straight up true.

My middle child had a "vaccine day" at school cancelled for one reason or another - and we were not told when they rebooked.
Forum: Vaccinations   06-11-2017, 09:07 AM
Replies: 72
Views: 2,407
Posted By kathymuggle
I disagree. A drop in lesions that are known to...

I disagree. A drop in lesions that are known to cause cancer is a good thing, however there are so many strains of HPV, that it is plausible (likely?) that other strains that also cause cancer...
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