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Forum: Vaccinations   Yesterday, 07:21 PM
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Posted By Deborah
Link to the Community Solutions Team thread that...

Link to the Community Solutions Team thread that I started http://www.mothering.com/forum/18002-community-solutions-team/1596002-there-problem.html#post19670466

I think if there are people who...
Forum: Vaccinations   Yesterday, 07:17 PM
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Views: 527
Posted By Deborah
serenbat I've decided to copy your post into the...

serenbat I've decided to copy your post into the forum for discussing issues on managing the forum. Then we can have a discussion just on that topic and stop de-railing this thread.
Forum: Vaccinations   Yesterday, 07:07 PM
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Posted By Deborah
What I meant is that the moderators will...

What I meant is that the moderators will definitely contact me if they get a lot of reports on my posts. I'll be asked to remove or edit posts, for example.

And obviously, you are not a clique of...
Forum: Vaccinations   Yesterday, 06:50 PM
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Views: 527
Posted By Deborah
Frankly, I don't think I'm a super intimidating...

Frankly, I don't think I'm a super intimidating person and I don't think I come across as dominating or controlling.

If people really don't like my behavior, I'll hear about it.

But I'm not...
Forum: Vaccinations   Yesterday, 06:48 PM
Replies: 34
Views: 527
Posted By Deborah
Well, if you aren't alone I'll hear from several...

Well, if you aren't alone I'll hear from several people and then I'll step back and post less. No biggie.

I didn't say that you had liked your own post! >:D
Forum: Vaccinations   Yesterday, 06:36 PM
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Posted By Deborah
Okay, thanks for sharing your opinion.

Okay, thanks for sharing your opinion.
Forum: Vaccinations   Yesterday, 06:14 PM
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Views: 527
Posted By Deborah
serenbat I'm not sure if you actually...

serenbat

I'm not sure if you actually represent a bunch of people I'm trampling on, or if you are a clique of one.

so...I'm going to ask people who find my posts irritating or inappropriate or...
Forum: Vaccinations   Yesterday, 06:10 PM
Replies: 206
Views: 8,941
Posted By Deborah
There is a mountain of stuff in this thread! Post...

There is a mountain of stuff in this thread! Post 148 and post 205 are both on the big sugar dangers manipulation. That was what I was thinking of specifically.
Forum: Vaccinations   04-28-2017, 08:22 PM
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Views: 825
Posted By Deborah
Bumping up this thread since we are discussing...

Bumping up this thread since we are discussing how the HPV vaccines got on the schedule in Japan. It wasn't about the science!
Forum: Vaccinations   04-28-2017, 08:16 PM
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Views: 1,207
Posted By Deborah
This is an interesting and valuable thread....

This is an interesting and valuable thread. Thanks to sciencemum for finding and sharing the article.
Forum: Vaccinations   04-28-2017, 07:28 PM
Replies: 34
Views: 527
Posted By Deborah
Informal poll. How many people decided not to...

Informal poll. How many people decided not to look at the article linked in the OP because of the conflict of interest problem?

How many people have skipped looking at a journal article linked on...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-28-2017, 07:00 PM
Replies: 34
Views: 527
Posted By Deborah
This one is strongly partisan and I suggest that...

This one is strongly partisan and I suggest that people who love HPV vaccines avoid reading it....
Forum: Vaccinations   04-28-2017, 06:55 PM
Replies: 34
Views: 527
Posted By Deborah
https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/uploads/agree...

https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/uploads/agreements/morocco/pdfs/EHI%20USG%20Agenda%20Items%202-11-11%20FINAL.pdf

the medical bits start on page 8 and vaccines are described on page 9. And...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-28-2017, 06:51 PM
Replies: 34
Views: 527
Posted By Deborah
This one is all about the drug companies who make...

This one is all about the drug companies who make HPV vaccines "giving" a lot of money to certain influential people. http://www.yakugai.gr.jp/en/topics/topic.php?id=890



Somehow, the conflict...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-28-2017, 06:49 PM
Replies: 34
Views: 527
Posted By Deborah
This is a link to the Japanese law on...

This is a link to the Japanese law on immunizations, with an English translation inserted. This is to back up the claim that the HPV vaccine was added to the list of vaccines that were considered...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-28-2017, 06:46 PM
Replies: 34
Views: 527
Posted By Deborah
I don't have time to go through ALL of the...

I don't have time to go through ALL of the references, but it is interesting to just scroll through them. For one thing, they cite both the studies supporting the vaccines and the studies that are...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-28-2017, 06:38 PM
Replies: 34
Views: 527
Posted By Deborah
In addition to the attorneys, however, I want to...

In addition to the attorneys, however, I want to point out that the actual SCIENTISTS are from a non-profit organization in Japan that doesn't take money from drug companies. In other words, people...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-28-2017, 06:34 PM
Replies: 34
Views: 527
Posted By Deborah
Yeah. I thought that was pretty horrific. ...

Yeah. I thought that was pretty horrific.

And quite interesting that Japan has stuck to their position, now that we know what sort of pressure can be brought to bear to protect Merck's...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-28-2017, 06:18 PM
Replies: 206
Views: 8,941
Posted By Deborah
If it takes a long time and a lot of dead bodies...

If it takes a long time and a lot of dead bodies to figure out that science has gone astray, can we really keep insisting that our current scientific system "works"?...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-27-2017, 08:13 PM
Replies: 34
Views: 527
Posted By Deborah
Well, yes and no. I don't generally point to...

Well, yes and no. I don't generally point to conflicts of interest as the biggest problem with pro-vaccine studies.

But I do know what it is like to have people ignore all sorts of important...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-27-2017, 08:02 PM
Replies: 34
Views: 527
Posted By Deborah
Section b. on effectiveness, points out that...

Section b. on effectiveness, points out that strains 16 and 18 only appear in 50% of the cervical cancer cases in Japan.

There is also an interesting discussion of the problem of pap smears in...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-27-2017, 07:59 PM
Replies: 34
Views: 527
Posted By Deborah
Well, that certainly saves you the effort of...

Well, that certainly saves you the effort of discussing any of the actual content.

And yes, I did see that there were some conflicts of interest.
Forum: Vaccinations   04-27-2017, 07:36 PM
Replies: 1
Views: 140
Posted By Deborah
Of course some pro-vaxers have a way around the...

Of course some pro-vaxers have a way around the problems I outlined in the OP.

They simply claim that pharma is secretly financing the anti-vaccine movement so that they can make the big bucks...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-27-2017, 06:41 PM
Replies: 34
Views: 527
Posted By Deborah
Great article and covers a lot of ground on how...

Great article and covers a lot of ground on how vaccines are approved and promoted.

I look forward to hearing from Skeptical Rapture and the Oracle. I'm sure they will explain away all points...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-27-2017, 06:30 PM
Replies: 1
Views: 71
Posted By Deborah
Fence Sitters are the Real Problem

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/fence-sitting-parents-blame-falling-100000005.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw



But it is so much fun to beat up on the "anti-vaxers!":grin:
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