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Forum: I'm Not Vaccinating   Today, 10:04 AM
Replies: 19
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Posted By kathymuggle
Thanks. I do not really doubt there are PR...

Thanks. I do not really doubt there are PR firms who either drum up hate or have a vested interest in drumming up hate for their clients, although i appreciate the links. Ditto media (which, as...
Forum: I'm Not Vaccinating   Today, 07:38 AM
Replies: 19
Views: 242
Posted By kathymuggle
Can you point to some PR firms or campaigns? ...

Can you point to some PR firms or campaigns?

Aside from astro-turfing (and the only one I know of that meets the criteria for astro-turfing is V4V), I think I am a bit out of the loop on the...
Forum: I'm Not Vaccinating   Today, 06:45 AM
Replies: 19
Views: 242
Posted By kathymuggle
I can see that. If I was vaccinating to...

I can see that.

If I was vaccinating to protect my kids, then the hatefulness/proposed laws would not have changed my plans.

If I was convinced vaccinating was safe and was vaccinating for the...
Forum: I'm Not Vaccinating   Today, 06:37 AM
Replies: 19
Views: 242
Posted By kathymuggle
I will also add that I do not want to sound too...

I will also add that I do not want to sound too victum-y.

I am well aware that on MDC, non-vaxxers are capable of being nasty too.

I think there are three types of nastiness we see here and...
Forum: I'm Not Vaccinating   Today, 06:09 AM
Replies: 19
Views: 242
Posted By kathymuggle
You are kinder than I in pitying them. I...

You are kinder than I in pitying them.

I think many people who vaccinate are misled and poorly informed. They could not tell me what vaccines their kids had, what for, that pertussis is a...
Forum: I'm Not Vaccinating   Today, 06:03 AM
Replies: 19
Views: 242
Posted By kathymuggle
I think many would. It was the end game, all...

I think many would. It was the end game, all along.

I do think there are some people who engaged in ad hominem attacks who wanted to turn lurkers and fence sitters into vaxxers, but would not go...
Forum: I'm Not Vaccinating   Today, 05:42 AM
Replies: 19
Views: 242
Posted By kathymuggle
I will then :grin: Do you struggle at all...

I will then :grin:

Do you struggle at all with hating the haters?

Are you frustrated at all with MDC over their policy of not talking about mandatory vaccines? I am at the point where I am no...
Forum: I'm Not Vaccinating   Today, 05:21 AM
Replies: 19
Views: 242
Posted By kathymuggle
hey haters....I blame you for the mandatory vaccines laws in the USA.

It seems inevitable now:

a. Create hate/disdain for a group

b. (optional) have an event that "breaks the camels back" - such as Disney. If it really isn't much of an event - try and turn it...
Forum: I'm Not Vaccinating   05-04-2015, 10:55 AM
Replies: 10
Views: 362
Posted By kathymuggle
Ok. I love my sisters and have solid...

Ok. I love my sisters and have solid relationships with them.

That being said, I would ream either one of them out to the ends of the earth if they vaccinated my child without consent. I would...
Forum: Vaccinations   05-04-2015, 08:53 AM
Replies: 44
Views: 1,539
Posted By kathymuggle
The child has mostly recovered, Loop said, but...

The child has mostly recovered, Loop said, but continues to rub his eyes.....
As she reassesses how the episode played out, Loop isn’t sure skipping Disneyland would have made a difference. Sounding...
Forum: I'm Not Vaccinating   05-04-2015, 06:01 AM
Replies: 13
Views: 450
Posted By kathymuggle
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/surv-manual/chpt1...

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/surv-manual/chpt15-crs.html

It looks like if a child is born with one or more of a laundry list of complication, they (and the mother) are supposed to undergo...
Forum: Vaccinations   05-03-2015, 05:33 PM
Replies: 72
Views: 1,750
Posted By kathymuggle
:hug No one here has the truth. I don't...

:hug

No one here has the truth. I don't think anyone knows the truth. I am not sure what you are looking for - is it just an admission that our poisonous environment is harming children? You...
Forum: Vaccinations   05-03-2015, 05:23 PM
Replies: 20
Views: 694
Posted By kathymuggle
I agree with you. Science is partly about...

I agree with you.

Science is partly about observation and gathering statistics about what we observe.

We can figure out what the tetanus rate is based on reporting. We can figure out its...
Forum: Vaccinations   05-03-2015, 07:59 AM
Replies: 29
Views: 692
Posted By kathymuggle
I am the mother of two children who have chosen...

I am the mother of two children who have chosen to be vegetarians. I am what I call a minimalist - I eat maybe 2 ounces of meat a week. The primary impetus for this is to avoid eating animals...
Forum: Vaccinations   05-02-2015, 06:18 AM
Replies: 12
Views: 467
Posted By kathymuggle
Dang! I hoped you were able to share it with...

Dang! I hoped you were able to share it with unvaxxed female children. I would have loved it if my daughters got rubella in childhood.

UL....I don't really know the answer to your question.
...
Forum: Vaccinations   05-02-2015, 06:04 AM
Replies: 20
Views: 694
Posted By kathymuggle
In addition to kateloves response, I would add...

In addition to kateloves response, I would add the following:

1. Compliance: the parents are in a compliant mood? Great! Get them while the parents are willing.....

2. Trying to make it...
Forum: I'm Not Vaccinating   05-01-2015, 06:22 PM
Replies: 4
Views: 278
Posted By kathymuggle
pertussis anecdote

So...I am at a meeting. A woman says all 3 of her children have all had pertussis this past winter. They are ok - although her special needs child with gag issues is struggling somewhat. She is...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-30-2015, 03:06 PM
Replies: 72
Views: 1,750
Posted By kathymuggle
Did I say you were? Our disagreement may be...

Did I say you were?

Our disagreement may be on defintion of conspiracy theorist (mine is dictionary) and definitely on how many non-vaxxers are also conspiracy theorists in relation to vaccines. ...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-30-2015, 12:58 PM
Replies: 72
Views: 1,750
Posted By kathymuggle
Sure. A conspiracy theory is an...

Sure.

A conspiracy theory is an explanatory hypothesis that accuses two or more persons, a group, or an organization of having caused or covered up, through secret planning and deliberate ...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-30-2015, 12:38 PM
Replies: 72
Views: 1,750
Posted By kathymuggle
Well, if you are pro-vax choice and vaccinate,...

Well, if you are pro-vax choice and vaccinate, then that is fine.

If you are pro-vax choice and don't vaccinate, unless your child is medically exempt, then you are a conspiracy theorist.

See...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-30-2015, 10:54 AM
Replies: 72
Views: 1,750
Posted By kathymuggle
I think you are trying to make a case where none...

I think you are trying to make a case where none exists.


It does not make one a conspiracy theorist to look at recommendation and decide those recommendations are either flawed or do not work...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-30-2015, 10:28 AM
Replies: 72
Views: 1,750
Posted By kathymuggle
Conspiracy theorist: I don't think it means...

Conspiracy theorist: I don't think it means what some would like it to mean, and I reject most revampings of the word. :smile:
Forum: Vaccinations   04-30-2015, 10:27 AM
Replies: 72
Views: 1,750
Posted By kathymuggle
In real life I know a number of families who are...

In real life I know a number of families who are non-vax. Some are religious, some are not. Some are conservative (usually the religious) and some are not. The common denominators are that they...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-30-2015, 08:55 AM
Replies: 14
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Views: 470
Posted By kathymuggle
masks

So....I am not going to discuss whether or not hospital worker should have to accept a flu vaccine in order to be employed. That has been done to death on this forum.


Let's discuss the use of...
Forum: Vaccinations   04-30-2015, 06:23 AM
Replies: 73
Views: 1,888
Posted By kathymuggle
She might. There are people who are...

She might.

There are people who are accepting of their side and skeptical of the other side, and there are people who try to look skeptically at both sides. I do not think pro-vaxxers or...
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