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Forum: Vaccinations   Today, 05:53 AM
Replies: 23
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Posted By Deborah
Just to make it absolutely clear, I'm saying that...

Just to make it absolutely clear, I'm saying that those who promote vaccines are cherry-picking their measles complications statistics to make the vaccine look safe in comparison.

When you...
Forum: Vaccinations   Today, 05:48 AM
Replies: 23
Views: 696
Posted By Deborah
According to the "authorities" vaccine reactions...

According to the "authorities" vaccine reactions are so rare as to be not worth quantifying. Although, even if reactions are "one in a million" if that is one in a million doses, and if each vaccine...
Forum: I'm Not Vaccinating   Yesterday, 07:34 PM
Replies: 21
Views: 1,215
Posted By Deborah
It can be very educational to observe which...

It can be very educational to observe which disasters make the news and which do not.
Forum: I'm Not Vaccinating   Yesterday, 07:33 PM
Replies: 3
Views: 112
Posted By Deborah
I love this: from the link in the previous post....

I love this: from the link in the previous post.

Merck being described as reckless is delightful.

I wonder if this is their new strategy under development?
Forum: I'm Not Vaccinating   Yesterday, 07:29 PM
Replies: 8
Views: 368
Posted By Deborah
I think that the Pink Book is still a valid...

I think that the Pink Book is still a valid source.

And I think it is incredibly effective to take stuff from the public immunization pages at the CDC and put them next to the data from the Pink...
Forum: I'm Not Vaccinating   Yesterday, 08:16 AM
Replies: 8
Views: 368
Posted By Deborah
An interesting area for comparison is the battle...

An interesting area for comparison is the battle over shaken baby syndrome, renamed Abusive Head Trauma.

Increasing number of overturned legal cases haven't shaken the dogma at all, but the...
Forum: I'm Not Vaccinating   Yesterday, 07:18 AM
Replies: 8
Views: 368
Posted By Deborah
I have private sources I use and as often as...

I have private sources I use and as often as possible I go to the actual medical literature. When I do cite a study I try to make sure I understand what they are talking about.

This is a...
Forum: I'm Not Vaccinating   Yesterday, 07:14 AM
Replies: 21
Views: 1,215
Posted By Deborah
kathymuggle wrote: If there isn't a...

kathymuggle wrote:

If there isn't a vaccine, then the illness will be treated as okay if at all possible. If there is a vaccine in development (see Ebola) then the illness is a world crisis and...
Forum: Vaccinations   09-15-2014, 06:52 PM
Replies: 23
Views: 696
Posted By Deborah
It is sort of pathetic that when scientists and...

It is sort of pathetic that when scientists and health-care professionals try to raise awareness of possible risks/problems with vaccines they have to sort of use coded language and slide little...
Forum: Vaccinations   09-14-2014, 06:54 PM
Replies: 23
Views: 696
Posted By Deborah
Yeah. Any two-sided discussion of vaccines in a...

Yeah. Any two-sided discussion of vaccines in a public space will be shut down if at all possible. MDC and, to a small extent, places like Facebook, are some of the only places left where both sides...
Forum: Vaccinations   09-14-2014, 04:41 PM
Replies: 23
Views: 696
Posted By Deborah
As a healthy survivor of measles, mumps,...

As a healthy survivor of measles, mumps, chickenpox, whooping cough, rubella and probably non-clinical polio (since I was born in 1950 and lived all over the US. I don't see how I could have missed...
Forum: Vaccinations   09-14-2014, 12:54 PM
Replies: 4
Views: 267
Posted By Deborah
Yeah, in "scientific" studies it always looks...

Yeah, in "scientific" studies it always looks like the unvaxed are immensely likely to get whooping cough, but in real life there are outbreaks where EVERYONE is vaxed.

The problem for the...
Forum: Vaccinations   09-14-2014, 08:11 AM
Replies: 23
Views: 696
Posted By Deborah
Thank you. I think it should have been titled...

Thank you. I think it should have been titled "Selling more Shots".
Forum: I'm Not Vaccinating   09-13-2014, 08:04 AM
Replies: 2
Views: 253
Posted By Deborah
Speaking as an active participant in the...

Speaking as an active participant in the political side of the vaccine wars, there is no safe haven and exemptions will be under attack in every state no matter how quiet people are.

We all need...
Forum: Vaccinations   09-13-2014, 06:36 AM
Replies: 72
Views: 1,745
Posted By Deborah
When courts rule AGAINST vaccination it doesn't...

When courts rule AGAINST vaccination it doesn't count, just a court case. When they rule in FAVOR of vaccination it is based on sound science and testimony and should be taken seriously.

We really...
Forum: Vaccinations   09-12-2014, 07:38 PM
Replies: 72
Views: 1,745
Posted By Deborah
It wasn't Merck that Wakefield was up against....

It wasn't Merck that Wakefield was up against. Glaxo Smith Kline, I believe. This is an older article, but it does tell us where the vaccine comes from...
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Forum: I'm Not Vaccinating   09-12-2014, 02:46 PM
Replies: 7
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Views: 466
Posted By Deborah
They could make necessary points without being...

They could make necessary points without being nasty. I think they've developed bad habits from the vaccination debate.
Forum: Vaccinations   09-11-2014, 10:09 AM
Replies: 31
Views: 922
Posted By Deborah
Thanks, very fair article. One thing about...

Thanks, very fair article.

One thing about the waning immunity, is that outbreaks of mumps in vaxed children might be missed. Mumps can be very mild and might be even milder in the vaccinated, so...
Forum: Vaccinations   09-11-2014, 10:02 AM
Replies: 72
Views: 1,745
Posted By Deborah
I was thinking about all this, and I'm sure that...

I was thinking about all this, and I'm sure that the pro-vaccine get it right sometimes when they critique vaccine critical articles. But I generally don't trust them for a very simple reason:

THE...
Forum: I'm Not Vaccinating   09-11-2014, 09:58 AM
Replies: 21
Views: 1,215
Posted By Deborah
Yeah, I really dislike Natural News sometimes. I...

Yeah, I really dislike Natural News sometimes. I think he encourages people to be sloppy and go off half-cocked, which does our movement no good at all.
Forum: Vaccinations   09-10-2014, 06:52 PM
Replies: 4
Views: 302
Posted By Deborah
Alas, pharmaceutical companies have developed...

Alas, pharmaceutical companies have developed ways around just about all of those "signs."
Forum: Vaccinations   09-10-2014, 06:50 PM
Replies: 154
Views: 3,562
Posted By Deborah
Um. Sure. I'm fine with that.

Um. Sure. I'm fine with that.
Forum: Vaccinations   09-10-2014, 02:37 PM
Replies: 41
Views: 1,137
Posted By Deborah
It is possible to make strong points without...

It is possible to make strong points without being personal. This is a skill that can be learned. Just concentrate on the topic, not the people. Disagree with what they say, not with them,...
Forum: Vaccinations   09-10-2014, 09:53 AM
Replies: 32
Views: 794
Posted By Deborah
Poliovirus is mostly not harmful. ONLY if it...

Poliovirus is mostly not harmful. ONLY if it leaves the digestive tract and moves into the central nervous system does it become dangerous. Poliovirus does linger in the digestive tract for two or...
Forum: Vaccinations   09-10-2014, 09:48 AM
Replies: 41
Views: 1,137
Posted By Deborah
Teacozy wrote: So, emotionally manipulative...

Teacozy wrote:

So, emotionally manipulative arguments are okay with you as long as YOU believe they are true? Or am I misunderstanding you?

The video and Hooker's article and many of the other...
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