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Forum: Vaccinations   Today, 03:36 PM
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Posted By kathymuggle
Really good points. My middle child has a...

Really good points.

My middle child has a fairly bad cough (yes, she has been to the doctor). Doing my part has included researching diseases over the course of several years. Doing my part is...
Forum: Vaccinations   Today, 03:25 PM
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Posted By kathymuggle
silvermoon You aksed a question earlier...

silvermoon

You aksed a question earlier about the history of herd immunity theory, and I found this article you might find interesting.
http://www.op12no2.me/stuff/herdhis.pdf

" It is a...
Forum: Vaccinations   Today, 02:55 PM
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Posted By kathymuggle
One doctor in California seeing an upswing in MMR...

One doctor in California seeing an upswing in MMR vaccination after an outbreak is not "droves." When all is said and done, the number of people who remain unvaxxed after an outbreak is much...
Forum: Vaccinations   Today, 02:51 PM
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Posted By kathymuggle
An example of such entitlement: ...

An example of such entitlement:
http://www.voicesforvaccines.org/say-something/

"That Easter, there were some bitter thoughts hanging in my mind while those clothes hung in the closet. In a...
Forum: Vaccinations   Today, 02:40 PM
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Posted By kathymuggle
Ummm…..so what? Jealous? It kind of seems this...

Ummm…..so what? Jealous? It kind of seems this way.
Forum: Vaccinations   Today, 02:32 PM
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Posted By kathymuggle
Regarding the first paragraph: it matters to me. ...

Regarding the first paragraph: it matters to me.

Steps to hiding in the herd (such as it is)

1. Do not vaccinate
2. Either keep quiet about vaccine concerns or argue pro-vax so that as...
Forum: Vaccinations   Today, 01:42 PM
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Posted By kathymuggle
From askdoctorsears "I agree with Dr. Offit...

From askdoctorsears

"I agree with Dr. Offit here. Herd immunity is very important. I state the argument in the book that “the good of the many outweighs the good of the few.” Nowhere in the book...
Forum: Vaccinations   Today, 01:02 PM
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Posted By kathymuggle
Does anyone find it ironic that some pro-vaxxers...

Does anyone find it ironic that some pro-vaxxers chastice us for "hiding in the herd" while at the same time believing we should keep quiet about our vaccine concerns (ie. "hide in the herd") ?
Forum: Vaccinations   Today, 12:39 PM
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Posted By kathymuggle
I agree. Walking a middle line in this debate...

I agree. Walking a middle line in this debate can be tricky! I am not sure he navigated this area well.

I would also like to point out that his comment centers on MMR. Measles is one of the...
Forum: Vaccinations   Today, 12:34 PM
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Posted By kathymuggle
It pains me to agree with you….:grin:….but I...

It pains me to agree with you….:grin:….but I think you are right. Claiming humour after the fact does seem like back-pedalling.
Forum: Vaccinations   Today, 12:25 PM
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Posted By kathymuggle
I think you are quite wrong. Most non-vaxxers I...

I think you are quite wrong. Most non-vaxxers I have spoken with either believe herd immunity from vaccines is fictitious or that herd immunity exists, but that pro-vaxxers wildly overstate it and...
Forum: Vaccinations   Today, 08:20 AM
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Posted By kathymuggle
Feel free to spin off and quote me if you like to...

Feel free to spin off and quote me if you like to get the ball rolling. I always feel a tad guilty when I go too OT, as I did here, anyways.
Forum: Vaccinations   Today, 06:58 AM
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Posted By kathymuggle
The quote Tea posted is a common pro-vax...

The quote Tea posted is a common pro-vax assertion: that non-vaxxers are free-loaders, reaping the benefits while letting everyone else take the risk. I expect she posted the quote because she...
Forum: Vaccinations   Today, 06:23 AM
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Posted By kathymuggle
I don't think understanding why an ingredient is...

I don't think understanding why an ingredient is in something makes it any more or less scary.

i know why asbestos was used - I still find it a "scary" thing!
Forum: Vaccinations   Yesterday, 06:19 PM
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Posted By kathymuggle
Well, call me a sucker, but I did the survey. It...

Well, call me a sucker, but I did the survey. It did not take long but parts of it were a bit too yes/no with no gray areas.

I have twice posted school related questions for my son (well he...
Forum: Vaccinations   Yesterday, 03:05 PM
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Posted By kathymuggle
Why not? People who cannot be vaccinated can...

Why not? People who cannot be vaccinated can carry and spread disease just as easy as those unvaccinated by choice. If you deliberately bring your unvaxxed baby or immune compromised child out...
Forum: Vaccinations   Yesterday, 02:59 PM
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Posted By kathymuggle
When I see a celebrity come out as pro-vaccine, i...

When I see a celebrity come out as pro-vaccine, i often woder if it is a bit of a publicity gimmick. Oh - look how caring they are - they are trying to protect babies! They could very well be...
Forum: Vaccinations   03-04-2015, 04:24 PM
Replies: 114
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Posted By kathymuggle
Many moons ago, I actively tried to persuade my...

Many moons ago, I actively tried to persuade my cousin to breastfeed. I hope I was not gauche enough to comment when she didn't...but I bet she knew my feelings on the matter.


That did not...
Forum: Vaccinations   03-04-2015, 04:16 PM
Replies: 114
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Posted By kathymuggle
There is no movement afoot to oppose vaccines. I...

There is no movement afoot to oppose vaccines. I suspect that is what is at the root of this insistence of calling pro-vaccine- choice people anti-vax. They want to make it seem like there are...
Forum: Vaccinations   03-04-2015, 03:35 PM
Replies: 114
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Posted By kathymuggle
Lol. I edited my post in an attempt at being...

Lol. I edited my post in an attempt at being concise/not going any more off topic than we already are. Perhaps that ship has sailed.


As per full moons, I have heard a full moon can influence...
Forum: Vaccinations   03-04-2015, 03:02 PM
Replies: 114
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Posted By kathymuggle
This is quite over the top.

This is quite over the top.
Forum: Vaccinations   03-04-2015, 02:59 PM
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Posted By kathymuggle
Please name a handful of real contributions...

Please name a handful of real contributions skeptic sites and organisations such as V4V have made over the last 20 years in vaccine safety. They haven't...yet they encourage vaccination.

Real...
Forum: Vaccinations   03-04-2015, 02:14 PM
Replies: 114
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Posted By kathymuggle
Not quite, lol. I think things like talk of...

Not quite, lol. I think things like talk of jailing and suing non-vaxxing parents is much lower.


That being said, I find calling NVIC anti-vax by most definitions fairly preposterous.


I...
Forum: Vaccinations   03-04-2015, 12:06 PM
Replies: 114
Views: 1,850
Posted By kathymuggle
It is done to differentiate between those who are...

It is done to differentiate between those who are pro-vax and those who are militant about it - shaming others, wanting strict school exemptions, etc. Not everyone who posts here that is pro-vax is...
Forum: Vaccinations   03-04-2015, 11:39 AM
Replies: 114
Views: 1,850
Posted By kathymuggle
We should start putting "pro-vax" in quotes and...

We should start putting "pro-vax" in quotes and then people can guess what we really mean…..
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