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Because Going to the Dentist Just Isn't Fun Enough . . .

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A large percentage of new oral cancer diagnoses are linked to HPV, a sexually transmitted infection that can also cause cervical cancer and genital warts. But the traditional practice of dentistry doesn’t allow for easy conversations about prevention.
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ive never really understood why the mouth isn't included in regular health care, and dentistry has a whole separate title...the mouth is still part of the body, and shouldn't be excluded based on a profession. A dr checks your eyes, but an eye dr give you glasses....a dr doesn't check teeth, though -not usually...if you tell your dr you have a sore in your mouth, they send you to a dentist.

But now dentists having their hand in this, is just absurd - anyone can go anywhere to get a vaccine. The LAST place i'd ever recommend is a dentist, of all places.

And,whoever is gullible enough to have a dentist give vaccines to them or their children, won't have the slightest clue what to do in the case of an adverse event - the dentist won't know either - other than to tell them the usual rhetoric - call your dr/go to ER...no responsibility for outcome. Hell, some don't even own up to doing a lousy job on a root canal, and have the nerve to 'schedule' more appts with them, without your consent. It's happened to my son recently with lousy care.
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Huh. I get it from a hpv point of view - and if they are capable of giving hpv vaccines, then they are likely capable of giving others.

I see both pros and cons.

Pro: They likely are capable, and for those who want the vaccine, it is one less top to make. Do it when you see your dentist. I see my dentist far more often than I see a primary care physician. My dentist and his entourage spend more time with me than a primary care physician does...likely because I pay the bill, lol, and there is competition for dentist. GP, OTOH, are paid by the government and there are waitlists for GP's - they do not have any real incentive to spend a lot of time with me.

Con: partly because they are a for profit thing, there is often a question with a dentist if a procedure is really necessary...or are they doing it for profit? I actually like and trust my current dentist...but there have been many years when I wondered if a procedure they were recommending was really necessary or was it becasue they wanted the money.....
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Huh. I get it from a hpv point of view - and if they are capable of giving hpv vaccines, then they are likely capable of giving others.

I see both pros and cons.

Pro: They likely are capable, and for those who want the vaccine, it is one less top to make. Do it when you see your dentist. I see my dentist far more often than I see a primary care physician.
While I appreciate you taking a level-headed approach, I hear a two-sided message. On the one hand, we're supposed to trust those experts, with all of those years of medical school, to tell us about vaccines. If only "experts" know what to do, why are we suddenly entrusting this task to tooth specialists? (Honestly, I trust a pharmacist to know more about vaccines than my pediatrician, but that's a whole other topic).

Also, the HPV vaccine gets the least amount of my sympathy. A better case could likely be made for MMR if there's a measles outbreak and people want a way to get the vaccine without waiting for a doctor appointment.

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Con: partly because they are a for profit thing, there is often a question with a dentist if a procedure is really necessary...or are they doing it for profit? I actually like and trust my current dentist...but there have been many years when I wondered if a procedure they were recommending was really necessary or was it becasue they wanted the money.....
I don't think you're at all off-base here. Providers of all stripes are being encourage to add vaccination to their practices as a bonus money-maker and it's no longer controversial to say that vaccines are profitable.


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While I appreciate you taking a level-headed approach, I hear a two-sided message. On the one hand, we're supposed to trust those experts, with all of those years of medical school, to tell us about vaccines. If only "experts" know what to do, why are we suddenly entrusting this task to tooth specialists? (Honestly, I trust a pharmacist to know more about vaccines than my pediatrician, but that's a whole other topic).

Also, the HPV vaccine gets the least amount of my sympathy. A better case could likely be made for MMR if there's a measles outbreak and people want a way to get the vaccine without waiting for a doctor appointment.

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Also, did you ever see this?

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I agree there is a bit of a mixed message in saying "trust the doctor - they have so many years of medical school and experience wrt vaccines" and then to turn around and say "let dentist give vaccines." Pro vaxxers might want to think about that.

Personally, though, I never bought the trust the doctor gambit, so it is not an issue for me in whether or not I think doctors are the only ones who can give vaccines. To me, vaccines are something one should research (which definitely can include talking to as doctor if you have questions) and then, if you decide on a vaccine, you find a provider to give it. I do not think giving vaccines is rocket science - they should be stored properly, given properly, informed choice should be had, and reactions should be watched for. I think dentists are capable of this with a bit of training.

I am no lover of HPV vaccine, and agree it is never urgent, but it makes sense why dentists might be interested in giving it - they are the first line of defence where the mouth is concerned.

I have not seen the video - will give it a watch. I doubt the contents will surprise me though.
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ive never really understood why the mouth isn't included in regular health care, and dentistry has a whole separate title...the mouth is still part of the body, and shouldn't be excluded based on a profession.
I have a younger sibling who is a DDS. She is retired. In her early days she was in the ER at CHOPS.

My son had an injury to his mouth and I took him to the ER. The doctor there did NOTHING for his injury which later required the removal of four baby teeth; the ER doctor did not even look at his mouth. The ER doctor gave me a referral to a dentist in the next building; I had my own pediatric dentist. I was insulted. My son's mouth bled all night.

I complained to my sister about the treatment I received. My sister told me that the mouth is considered "dirty" and all conditions of the mouth come under the domain of the dentist, not a doctor. Even though a dentist is a "doctor of dental surgery", regular doctors consider all mouth problems to be the domain of the dentist.

MMM. Seems to me to be an old medieval attitude. I do know that barbers did some dentistry. Anyway, that was her explanation.
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A dentist is a qualified specialist who can do a lot of things. A dentist, like any nurse, can give you a vaccine. Remember that the dentist uses a syringe large enough when doing various procedures so that the patient doesn't get hurt, I don't think that is very different from vaccination. In general, there is nothing wrong with that, and now you can combine a trip to the dentist and vaccination.
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A dentist is a qualified specialist who can do a lot of things. A dentist, like any nurse, can give you a vaccine. Remember that the dentist uses a syringe large enough when doing various procedures so that the patient doesn't get hurt, I don't think that is very different from vaccination. In general, there is nothing wrong with that, and now you can combine a trip to the dentist and vaccination.
Welcome to MDC. Would you mind detailing for us the kind of education and training that dentists receive in vaccines, including contraindications, ingredients, administration, etc?
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A dentist is a qualified specialist who can do a lot of things. A dentist, like any nurse, can give you a vaccine. Remember that the dentist uses a syringe large enough when doing various procedures so that the patient doesn't get hurt, I don't think that is very different from vaccination. In general, there is nothing wrong with that, and now you can combine a trip to the dentist and vaccination.
Don't remind me. That huge syringe terrifies me!
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A dentist is a qualified specialist who can do a lot of things. A dentist, like any nurse, can give you a vaccine. Remember that the dentist uses a syringe large enough when doing various procedures so that the patient doesn't get hurt, I don't think that is very different from vaccination. In general, there is nothing wrong with that, and now you can combine a trip to the dentist and vaccination.
You don't think there a difference between injecting a local anesthetic for dental work, versus injecting a potentially unsafe, long term prophylactic vaccine with sometimes live virus in it that could have lasting harms?
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A dentist is a qualified specialist who can do a lot of things. A dentist, like any nurse, can give you a vaccine. Remember that the dentist uses a syringe large enough when doing various procedures so that the patient doesn't get hurt, I don't think that is very different from vaccination. In general, there is nothing wrong with that, and now you can combine a trip to the dentist and vaccination. I wonder if the dentist Seminole injects vaccines? The service is of sufficient quality, so I think that the range of possibilities for any dentist is very large. I hope that you are doing well during the quarantine and will be the same after it.
I do agree with you.
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I think and that is normal that all the people should go to the dentist 2 times a year to make a simple control because it can help to escape of cavity or other problems at the beginning. I abide by this rule and my teeth are in perfect condition all the time. Moreover, a lot depends by your dentist because there are some who don't have a lot of experience and can make all they want with your teeth. I can recommend the dentist from heritagedentistree.com because he has a lot of experience and you will be satisfied after his work.
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I think and that is normal that all the people should go to the dentist 2 times a year to make a simple control because it can help to escape of cavity or other problems at the beginning. I abide by this rule and my teeth are in perfect condition all the time. Moreover, a lot depends by your dentist because there are some who don't have a lot of experience and can make all they want with your teeth. I can recommend the dentist from heritagedentistree.com because he has a lot of experience and you will be satisfied after his work.
My friend was just looking for this information. Thanks
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