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while watching the relief fund for the hurrican i realize how proud i am to be an ec mama. i don't need diapers. i may use them as back ups but i don't need them. one woman in new orleans had her baby in the same diaper for three days. even hubby was shocked who does not ec our baby. i am sending my baby slings so that these mamas can carry their little ones around. i just thought i'd share how happy i am to find this wonderful way to bond with my child but to also use in all wakes of life
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We started late, but I am really grateful that we ec'd our daughter. I heard of moms in the dome being told to scrape off poop and reuse sposie diapers and I was shocked. There was poop everywhere anyway...and it was so hot in there...why make the baby sit in a filthy diaper when s/he could go bare-bummed? But the pre-ec me wouldn't have thought of it either.
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i hear you on the pre ec. i wouldnt have dared let my baby so without a dipe no way. now he loves to be bare bummed. its so cute to see DH and his brothers playing with him and he is bare bummed!!

its so sad about those babies...... hard for me even to tak about.
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DH and I EC'ing. I can't believe there was a time where we used sposie's! Now it's all cloth and nakey bums! I've learned so much in DS very short 8 months on this Earth!

I feel so sorry for those infants and their mothers!

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I was thinking the same things when I read the stories about the scraping poo off the diapers. I am grateful that I am breastfeeding as well when I heard the urgent need for baby formula.
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i had to do formula do to medications i took would pass into the breast milk. i wish i didn't have to take the meds but i was having loss of vision and the docs scared me. so anyway if i was in that situation i would be trying to find a breast feeding mama to feed my baby too. no joke i would. i figure booby can feed the world. next baby i have will be a breast feed baby.
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Wow! I know these poor people are desperate, but I can't believe people would be reusing disposable diapers. That's completely disgusting! Couldn't they at least use some sort of cloth (even just the readily available Gerber prefolds) and wash them, for heaven's sake?!! I can't imagine the poor red bums those babies must have. It hurts just to think about it

Yeah, by now I sort of take it for granted that I can walk out the door without a diaper bag weighing me down. Funny thing is that now that my ec baby is not really a baby anymore (she's nearly 18 mo.), people just think she was potty trained early when they see her wearing undies. They'll say, "potty trained already?!" and I am always sort of taken aback, because she's been going on the potty since 7 weeks old, so it doesn't seem like a new development to me LOL!

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I'm sure I'll love being an EC mama too I already enjoy telling people about it and convincing them that yes, it is a great alternative to diapers. They always ask what I'll do if it doesn't work and I tell them about my wonderful online community of mamas (MDC ) who have done or are doing EC successfully to help me out by being role models. Usually just telling people that others in modern "civilised" society have done this successfully is enough to convince skeptics that this is a viable option.

I also feel really terrible for those babies... I wish that what we do was mainstream and that the detachment practices were only done by fringe lunatics...

Just another example of how almost nobody could survive without the system. What are most people doing without diapers available at the local store? Not cloth diapering or no diapering.... I'm trying hard not to get a mental picture of what they are doing because it's really disturbing to me.

One reason I like EC is because it gives more self-reliance to us, and less power to and dependence on commercialism Not to mention the environmental benefits!

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I know what you mean about how most mainstreamers cannot live without the system. I shudder to think of what katrina parents who usually let there babies CIO are doing to get them to sleep now that they have no cribs to rely on. My friend who is very mainstream once took a weekend trip with her kids, who were then about 2 1/2 and 9 months old. Well, she couldn't get them to stay in the hotel bed and go to sleep because they were not restrained in a crib and shut in their own room. They just kept climbing off the bed and playing. They didn't go to sleep until 2 am both nights, when they were finally utterly exhausted. She decided never to take her kids on trips with her again, so she always has to hire a babysitter for the weekend. I'm so glad that because of not relying on the system and doing things like breastfeeding, ECing, cosleeping, babywearing, etc. I have the freedom to go just about anywhere under lots of different circumstances. From camping in the wilderness to flying on an airplane, my little ones never seem to have their lives disrupted...

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I think we might try to remember that the folks in the Astrodome have absolutely nothing. They don't even have a place to EC their kids if they wanted to. They have to stand in line, with their children, for up to 3 hours at a time just to walk away with a meal to eat on their cot. They can't take more than 1 meal per person, and that person must be present, so every single child must stand in line with their parents. If they leave the line, they lose their place. At risk of being horribly flamed here, how could these women possibly practice ec in that situation? No garbage can to hold them over, no dirt floor or grass to absorb the pee, just a hard cold concrete floor that the pee will puddle on, someone will slip an fall in that pee, etc. They have portable toilets set up around the stadium, and during "peak hours" the wait for a toilet can be as long as 30 minutes. I really think we need to remember that these living conditions aren't conducive to the lifestyles that you and I may embrace. They sleep on cots, with no mattresses and no extra sheets. If baby pees on the sheets, you're then sleeping in and on that for who knows how long. They can't use cloth diapers b/c there is nowhere to wash them. Period.
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It's not that I'm not trying to be sympathetic to the plight of these people. I can't imagine how hard it must be. I guess I'm just saying there has to be something better to do than reuse a disposable diaper. I would say that's nothing short of a health hazard. Are these people not getting showers or have no access to sinks or running water of any sort? If you really had to, couldn't you wash cloth diapers in a sink, and drape them over something to dry? I have done that on camping trips in a pinch. At least then it'd be a clean diaper... As an EC mom, if I were waiting in line and couldn't leave, I'd be carrying a bucket with me for my babe to go in. I would just squat down and have her go in there, while keeping my place in line, and just dump it later. Heck I've peed my baby in a bucket on a moving public bus because she couldn't wait and there were no toilets on the bus. Sure it may take some creativity, but I'd do anything but reuse a disposable diaper. JMO.

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I hear what you're saying, I really do. But say you're a mom of 4 kids, living in the Astrodome. You've got 5 cots pushed together in a sea of other families. It's a twisty, windy, maze of a walk to the restroom and when you arrived you came with nothing but the clothes on your back and a backpack filled with your important paperwork, etc. So you've got no bucket to use when you're not near a portable toilet. And yes, you have access to a sink but you've got to drag your 4 kids with you to the restroom, keep track of them while you rinse out diapers and then trek back to your area. When you get back, you have nowhere but one of the cots to drape the diapers on.

Have you guys seen the news footage of how these people are crammed in? Some of the families I've heard interviewed say they sleep with their cots jammed together, with the girls/women in the middle and the men/boys on the exterior of the grouping, just to make the females less accessible at night when the lights are dimmed. I totally agree with you that there may be better alternatives than re-using a disposable diaper, but in those kinds of environments it might be near impossible to make it happen, if you *did* know how to do it.

I'm also a little disappointed to see CIO being equated with no co-sleeping. I know this is OT for this forum, but it is absolutely possible to sleep baby in his/her own area without resorting to CIO. Both my children have slept in their own space since day 1, and they've never been required to cry themselves to sleep. Staying in tune with your baby is more than just knowing when they need to eat and pee, it's also knowing when they need to rest and sleep. My 4 month old absolutely cannot sleep in our bed at all, but cries and fusses until I lay him in his crib, where he falls sleep almost immediately. He's been like this since he was a few weeks old. Before then he was in my bed with me nursing constantly and never really sleeping anyway. My 4 year old was the same way. For some, family bed doesn't work from the beginning. Please don't equate CIO with sleeping your children in separate spaces, becuase that's not an equitable comparison.
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I'm sorry if I was unclear about what I mean with CIO. I wasn't trying to equate it with crib-sleeping. I know many very AP moms who use a crib, and I totally respect that. But the friend I referred to only knows how to get her kids to sleep by simply letting them cry alone until they fall asleep. And since CIO can only really happen in a crib or other enclosed area, unless you're talking about a baby who is not at all mobile, otherwise the baby would just come crawling/rolling back to you, I was just wondering what a family who was used to just tossing the baby in the crib and shutting the door would do to get their baby to sleep when they couldn't do that. Sorry if I sounded rude or smug... I didn't mean it that way; just pondering the implications of the lack of "the system."

No, I haven't seen the footage, but it sounds absolutely terrible. I guess it's really even beyond what I would have imagined. I hope these people can find a better place soon, that's partly why I offered up the spare bedroom in my home to katrina refugees (too bad I'm not closer)... Very sad...

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hmmm... hundreds of families have come to maryland, i am sure there are some in PA too. but i think you have to be prepared to house them for the whole academic year if they have children.

if we are going to start being judgemental about people invovled in the hurricane, i have a number of people higher up I'd like to start with....
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I'm not sure what you mean about being judgemental. I don't think anyone here was doing that. All I meant is that it's sad that disposable diapering is considered by our society to be so necessary that they don't know of any alternative, even if it means reusing them. I wasn't judging them for doing so anymore than I'd judge someone who didn't realize there was an alternative to bottlefeeding. Just saying that the situation is a shame (ie. that mainstream notions are so entrenched in society that they can't see past them, even in a disaster), not that the people themselves are doing something wrong. Geez, I mean, this is an awful disaster, why on earth would I judge the victims of it? That is not at all what I intended.

And fwiw, I would house any of these victims as long as they needed it (a school year or more, if necessary). I just put myself in their shoes and think about how horrible it would be to lose everything and have nowhere to go. If I can help them get back on their feet, I certainly would, because I know how much it would mean to me if the situation were reversed.

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instead of arguing about the victims lets remember why i started the post it was infact that i was PROUD to be an ecing mama. that if this tragedy hit home my daughter would not have to wear a disposable for three days. why because after i got a cup of water i would save the cup and use it to ec. also if theres no where to ec where are the parents going. it's very unsanitory there because people are just going in the corner of the place. no they do not have running water but if someone is going to pee in the corner than so is my child. do i care if someone stepped in my dd pee no i don't my daughters comfort is more important. also my point was that i felt sorry for the mothers that had no choice because they have no other means but to do as they are told. some woman where trying to ec their kids and where forced to put disposables on for sanitory reasons even though adults were not being sanitary. we have 27 families moving near us and i sent baby clothes, baby food, and cloth diapers. i would just like to reiterate that i feel horrible for these mothers its like they are living where the tsunami hit. i hope i made some sorty point
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It's amazing how a simple point can be so easily misconstrued....

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