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DarrensMom 06-13-2015 03:09 PM

Beware of this Nickelodeon show
 
Hi all. I'm trying to let other parents know about this situation with Nickelodeon where they hired a softcore pornographer to create a kids show (Bella and the Bulldogs) seemingly based on a sexual fetish. Most of the relevant info is contained in the picture attached. It's fairly bizarre and inappropriate all around.

MeepyCat 06-13-2015 06:01 PM

The poster is pretty bizarre. Are you genuinely suggesting that the sign "Vanilla Swirl Chocolate" is about fetishes and not about ice cream?

The show really needs to be judged on its own merits.

Polliwog 06-13-2015 08:20 PM

I won't click on the attachment, but it looks like a cute show.

cynthia mosher 06-13-2015 10:17 PM

I removed the image. You don't need to post an image of soft porn to convince anyone of a need to protest a real issue. Just inform us of where you got your information and where it can be found online associated directly with Nickelodeon and we can check it out directly.

DarrensMom 06-14-2015 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by cynthia mosher (Post 18836881)
I removed the image. You don't need to post an image of soft porn to convince anyone of a need to protest a real issue. Just inform us of where you got your information and where it can be found online associated directly with Nickelodeon and we can check it out directly.

Hi. No porn was posted! Softcore or otherwise (unattached image is here if anyone is interested: http://imgur.com/rxMMkPJ - there's no nudity or porn). The show is on Nickelodeon - apparently it's their top rated show. My son (16) actually brought this to my attention and I thought it sounded really weird and not good. I looked into it and the information does check out.

I guess there are people out there who wouldn't mind their kids watching a show created by a pornographer with subliminal fetish messages in it (designed to go over their heads, most likely) but it's nothing I'd want to let either of my two daughters watch.

Just thought others might be interested in knowing about it.

MeepyCat 06-14-2015 06:27 PM

The image included a picture of a woman in a bikini posing suggestively with a statue of a bull. IT was pretty out there. (And not safe for work, if anyone is wondering about that.)

The show does not appear to me to be a problem.

DarrensMom 06-16-2015 02:07 PM

So a picture of a woman in a bikini is a bit too much but a kids show created by a pornographer is just fine. That's... interesting.

MeepyCat 06-16-2015 02:38 PM

A picture of a woman in a bikini posing with a bull statue is not an image I would want to explain to my kids or my boss.

A children's show - whoever it was created by - should be evaluated on whatever merits it has or doesn't. Many kids shows appear to me to be oversexualized, but that's an issue I prefer to call out on the basis of material in the actual show, not on the basis of what else the creators of the show have been involved with. When we run across material inconsistent with our family values, I explain how and why I don't want to watch. There is a big difference between "I don't like the way these characters treat each other, or behave to their families," and "I am worried that the guy who wrote this may be sneaking in subliminal messages about a sexual fetish."

A lot of people in the entertainment industry have some porn credits, for a variety of reasons. Most use better pseudonyms than this guy.

DarrensMom 06-21-2015 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by MeepyCat (Post 18842705)
A picture of a woman in a bikini posing with a bull statue is not an image I would want to explain to my kids or my boss.

Fair enough. I have to say, I would have been happy to not learn and see a bunch of the things I've seen in the course of looking into this.

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Originally Posted by MeepyCat (Post 18842705)
Many kids shows appear to me to be oversexualized

Same here. This one left a trail of evidence of intent, though.

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Originally Posted by MeepyCat (Post 18842705)
...but that's an issue I prefer to call out on the basis of material in the actual show, not on the basis of what else the creators of the show have been involved with.

That's fair enough too, and in this case I think it's pretty clear that Butler has indeed slipped quite a few references to his favored sex fetish into his kids show. He actually joked about doing such a thing when he was first hired by Nickelodeon. Would anyone have ever noticed if he hadn't previously made a film about this same fetish? Probably not. But he did, and people noticed.

DarrensMom 06-21-2015 10:55 AM

There's a petition about the show now:
https://www.change.org/p/nickelodeon...n-s-television

Please sign and share if you agree with it.

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After being hired by Nickelodeon, Butler joked on Facebook about turning “Nick” into the “Kinc” network, posting a photo of himself posing in front of a giant Nickelodeon logo with the letters rearranged and suggesting titles for sex fetish-inspired kids shows. Joking about such a thing would have been inappropriate enough for a Nickelodeon employee but Butler went on to do exactly what he joked about doing.
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References to such an abusive and psychologically violent fetish clearly have no place in a children’s show.
https://www.change.org/p/nickelodeon...n-s-television

Dawn's mom 07-08-2015 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DarrensMom (Post 18837577)


I see there is a lot of reference to race and it almost seems like the reviewer has an issue with interracial dating,


I don't condone shady initiations. It looks as if this show is about a girl who makes onto a men's football team, breaking a barrier in a male dominated sport. I think that is the bigger picture that kids would take notice first. But just that initiation factor is not encouraging anyone to want to join a football team. It makes a good start for a discussion since initiations in sports is very real and alive and it can get sexual and dangerous in real life.


If the porn wasn't brought up I would have never noticed any subliminal porn messages. I still don't see this as being the same as the porn. What? The boy eating ice cream straight from the dispenser? How many times has that been done?


I think the reviewer needs to get their minds out of the gutter. I've seen more hanky panky porn at the zoo.

LindaWassman 10-06-2015 11:17 AM

Seems like a perfectly safe show to me. I think some people are REALLY trying to find something risque with this show, and are drawing fairly vague connections to do so. I think that says more about those people than the creators of the actual show.

NathalieM 10-08-2015 05:15 AM

Can't say I see much of a problem with this. The shows are obviously aimed at very different audiences, and isn't it up to parents to ensure the content their children observe is suitable? There's far worse things on TV you should be concerned about your children watching; after all, this show sending a good message to children as far as I see. I don't see any references to anything untoward, which is what I'll judge appropriate viewing material on.


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