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Hi,

I am lex and I'm 33 and have a 4 year old (january birthday) who loves the, "boo boo." He has up to a couple of weeks ago been CLWing.

I have polycystic ovarian syndrom and the FDA approved a medicine for it. And I sooo want to take it and be normal. My son loves nursing and would nurse 4 or 5 times a day forever it seems. About a year ago I went to the doctor and found out this medicine was approved and she said I had to stop nursing to take it. ( She is right, I checked with the local LLL leader) But I just couldn't do that to him. So I introduced the idea to him at three years 5 months that someday in the future he would nurse anymore just like me and poppy. He never had a thought that profound before in his life. I just put it out of my mind. Then two weeks ago, I went to my dream group and they all said to stop and that I was:

#1 making him think that he owned my body and that he may think he owns his girlfriends body one day (I piped in, "OR BOYFRIEND).

#2 that I was stopping him from developing coping mechanisms and

#3 I was spoiling him!

When they found out we co-sleep too, they really freaked, I think. Before I found this site we tried going with out for one night last week (to go to sleep) and he really lost his mind. He said, "you know, there are these very rude mommies and poppies out there, AND YOU ARE THEM!!" and he almost vomited and everything! It was just like he was in a crib crying it out.

This went on for about 10 to 15 minutes and I just thought, "this isn't right!" and I nursed him. He went right to sleep and the next day he didn't nurse in the morning and fell asleep that night to Pinocchio and didn't nurse the next morning again. He just doesn't think about it on weekends sometimes. I think that all this made me untrustworthy. I have a friend that nursed her eldest to her fifth birthday. I figured that that is when they stop, 'til I met others who went to 7 and 8 years. I have a close friend that just parent weaned her 4 1/2 yr old, too. My husband wants my son to be CLWed and I did too until I found out about that medicine.

Now I am looking forward to ending nursing. I hope I haven't done to much harm in trying to stop him. I think if I go to him and tell him what happened and then say that he can nurse again as much as he wants, that it will be okay, again. It was a week ago and I told him that night he didn't have to go without at night or in the morning. But I have been saying no during the day (distracting him really) this week at least half of the time. I really believe in CLW and rearing him as non- westernly as possible. My husband forgave me too. Poor little guy! I hope he mends.

Has anyone else tried weaning for a week or so and then changed their mind after they got better info. These women in my dream group sounded so right for about three days. I think what made it even more compelling was that IF he DID wean I could take my medicine and be normal, again. If I don't take the meds I don;t get progressively worst over time (not really) but the meds reverse the disease and symptoms.

Any advise/ experience/ or help would be gladly excepted.

Thanks,

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pm me with the name of the med. I'm also waiting for dd to wean to start taking care of some medical issues, PCOS being one, but I thought most of the meds were for fertility issues. my dd has relaxed over time, just last week she was "camping" in the livingroom with Dh and she mentioned that she forgot to nurse, Dh said I was already asleep in the bedroom and dd just accepted that and went straight to bed. If I would have been awake I doubt she would have been so agreeable.
Sorry I have no real answer, you are in that cross-roads of weaning where you can continue on a mother led course. While this might have been a bump in CLW there's a good chance that if you allowed your ds to nurse anytime he wants, he should pick right back up. I think he decision to skip weekends show that weaning is near.

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chel, the med is a common one used by diabetics. It is glucaphage or glucamen (I can't remember.) There are three that are approved and they are reversing the symptoms. A person with pcos will lose weight (with no diet changes), lose the hair and the testoserine levels go way down. There is a lot of info on the internet if you google it. "new treatment pcos) works, i think. One that was approved doesn't help with the weight, but it is not the glucavance/vage one.

My son has been falling asleep to books for awhile for my husband when my mom and I have a girls night out. so sometimes when I am at home and want a break he will read him to sleep and on the weekends when my husband is in bed in the morning, DS is so excited about having DH there to wake up to he forgets to nurse and I get to sleep in. But he will sometimes nurse during the day on the weekends. The only thing is, if I am in bed he will not read to sleep. Which up to two weeks ago I didn't mind.

My mom wants me to stop, who thought I was killing my baby by starvation (He nursed every 30 minutes for 4 months) at first. She later changed her mind and became a nursing cheerleader and thought I was so smart, even up to six months ago when she said, "he really does still need it, huh?" She now really wants me to take my meds. saying that I have done my duty and it is time to put me first.

Thanks for your reply,

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Is it Metformin? I thought that one was ok to nurse?? Especially an older child, who is getting nutrition from solids already. try dr hale's website:
http://neonatal.ama.ttuhsc.edu/lact/


edited to add the link to the study itself (PDF file)
http://neonatal.ama.ttuhsc.edu/discu...tformin-69.pdf
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chel, the med is a common one used by diabetics. It is glucaphage or glucamen (I can't remember.)
Glucophage (also known as metformin) is generally, AFAIK, considered okay for nursing. I have PCOS, too, and needed metformin to conceive ds. When I went in for an annual exam with my midwives last year, I mentioned that we might want to start ttc when ds was a year old (although, as it turns out, my body only recently decided it was time to ovulate again ). I asked the m/w if I'd have to go back to the fertility specialist at that point to get metformin or if they could prescribe it. She said they could give it to me, and that it would be fine if ds was still nursing. Actually, it's used in some cases of PCOS to increase milk supply (since some women with PCOS have problems with low supply). If I were you, I'd definitely keep researching it. I think you can meet your ds's needs and still meet your own. Good luck!

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Thank you to all that did and are going to respond. I am relieved by your words and glad to know others are out there with PCOS and have children and are nursing in the way I also chose (CLW).

Yes, that is what it is. Metmorphane. But my doctor and LLL person told me that it is on the list of questionable drugs because it is classified as a type that, in other drugs of that same type, get into milk. My doctor and lll person, who both knew and loved my nursing three year old, (4 or 5 times a day at the time), thought it was too questionable and I should not take it because it deals with how the body treats insolin and effects the organs involved in producing and cycling that hormone. The following is what I found just now on the pcos drugs and nursing:

"Because of the potential for serious side effects (e.g., lactic acidosis, hepatotoxicity) in adults, it may be advisable to avoid the use of metformin (Glucophage) and thiazolidinediones (e.g., rosiglitazone [Avandia], pioglitazone [Actos]) until more information is available on their use in breast-feeding. "

http://www.aafp.org/afp/20010701/119.html

The following about pregnancy and breastfeeding was found at "

http://ctispregnancy.org/pdf/metformin.pdf :

The site is a pdf and I cannot copy and paste but read it at the link above for clarity,

-3 to 5% birth defect when using during pregnancy

- Higher chance of getting pregnant with Metmorphan and it decreases your chance of 1st trimester miscarrage

-it is transfered to the child in breast milk and found in the babies blood at the same level as it is in the mother. (this is kinda scary if they are talking about mililiters in the blood becasue that would be different than Parts per million or something which would be ratios and percetages)

- It can break down in the babies stomach (but this is skeptical since it begs the question " why is it in the babies blood at the same level as the mother's blood?" which means it paced the stomache wall and got into tohe blood anyway)

- other meds that lower blood sugar are recomended that do not enter the babies blood as easily

- if a mother does choose to take it the baby has to have its blood tested regularly for low blood sugar levels

_ the pediatrician should be told of this drug being taken by the mother

- the drug is associated with still births and pre-eclapsia in pregnant women


So, the above sounds too risky for us. I also found this info. Which is important since the nursling has the same levels of metmorphan in his blood as his mother does. taken from:

http://www.drugdigest.org/DD/DVH/Use...ophage,00.html

What side effects may I notice from taking metformin?

Side effects that you should report to your prescriber or health care professional as soon as possible:

•breathing difficulties or shortness of breath
•dizziness
•muscle aches or pains
•passing out or fainting
•severe vomiting or diarrhea
•slow or irregular heartbeat
•unusual stomach pain or discomfort
•unusual weakness, fatigue or discomfort

All of the above except vomiting would be near imposible for my son to notice and then articulate to me. Also, my husband and I try very hard to live a healthy life. Our son eats 95% Organic food, (everything from soap, shampoo and dishsoap to yogurt, oatmeal, eggs, flour, milk, corn chips, butter, sugars and yeasts to make bread and soda pop, soy sauce, raisins, cereal, cheeses and about 90% of all the vegies and fruits we consume are organic). We are very nearly vegetarian and try to avoid environmentally unsafe places, products and people. I just can't see me taking this drug in light of the above symptoms and info. We have put so much effort into safegarding his consumables that I wouldn't want his "boo boo" to be questionable and "unorganic" -so to speak.

But maybe those of you who have taken the drug while nursing can let me know if you have seen any thing of concern in your children. Are your kids normal height and weight for their ages? Do or have they experienced any of the above symptoms in their lifetimes? How often did you nurse while on it? Are you still on it and what's the age of your child(ren)?

Maybe I just need to hear that others have done it and their kids are okay. If I cut down (without him knowing it) to an average maximum of 4 nursings a day (each breast) maybe My son would be okay.

He has found other coping mechanisms for pain, thirst, hunger, bordom, fright, happiness and is currently finding out that if I am lying down he sometimes doesn't want to nurse. He still needs it to sleep (he doesn't nap anymore). He wants it to wake, after stressful redirection from me, in church (a habbit he hasn't broken yet - He calls it, "the boo boo church"), when he sees a friend nursing, or just to get a sweet nip during the day. I really think he is almost at an average of four nursings aday. A lot of these situations I mentioned above are a once a week thing except sleeping and waking. I just can't believe he would get the amount of medicine a baby would get at 4-6 months. I'm sure they weren't studying mothers who nursed toddlers and above.

If I took my meds after he was done in the morning and after he fell asleep at night (his longest nursing sessions), there would be less meds in my blood at those times, I think.

Let me know what you think. And again THANK YOU for all the help/experience/ advise. I hope I wasn't too long winded. This message board is so helpful, I might have gone crazy a few days ago if I had not found it.

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Stafl,

You were right! :

After I posted my message, I read the posts one last time. I can't believe I missed it the first time around.

I don't know how to express the joy I feel. I get to follow my dream and get well. My PCOS symptoms are very advanced. I have had this since before puberty. You can't imagine what it is like to be a girl and have a mustache in seventh grade. I have the one with gushingly high cortosol levels. By pointing me in the right direction, you have increased my lifespan (literally). The sooner I start theropy the sooner I can halt the damage the disease does to me.

It was all there and it said that it was safe for all but neonatals and those with renal disfunctions. I can still CLW and get better at the same time. It said that metmorphane was even better than another drug mentioned. And that it should be encouraged for nursing moms.

Thank you Thank you Thank you

I will remember you and send positive thoughts your way for ever more.

I am going to make an appointment on monday! I couldn't find a date on the study but, my doctor is going to get a copy of it.

Hurrah!

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Dr. Mercola promotes healing from pcos (and many other diseases) without drugs. Have you ever searched his site for info on pcos? www.mercola.com

Also, check out Dr. Tom Lee's book "What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Premenopause." www.drtomlee.com is his site I think. (He's dead now but his site is alive and well.) There is a lot of good information about using drugs to fix women's problems and hormone stuff, and how to treat yourself without drugs.

Both of the above doctors stress that PCOS is not a disease, it's a symptom of something else entirely. The drug doesn't get to the heart of the problem to actually heal you... your symptoms might go away, but you aren't really fixing the problem.

Anyhow.... hope this helps...
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Stafl,

You were right! :

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Thank you Thank you Thank you

I will remember you and send positive thoughts your way for ever more.

awwww shucks! Some days I really really need those positive thoughts!
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