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Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions, Jane!

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Iodine therapy might require a large commitment to detoxing. I know it is for me and my past experiences with it just didn't jive with the chaos of my life in the last 2 years, so here I am now trying again. It doesn't seem to as big an issue for others though, the majority of cases as I understand it just improve with iodine! Only you can determine whether it's worth it for the potential of solving your current issues and preventing future ones.

Each of the supplements has a specific reason why it is recommended, mostly for antioxidant support while detoxing and support of various body functions that will not work in presence of a deficiency. Most of them (selenium, magnesium, vitamins A/D) are typically low in most people anyway! Deficiencies in any of these nutrients can cause disease states (such as depression, thyroid and immune dysfunction, et al) on their own.
I know I'm low in magnesium. I'm prone to migraine headaches AND I developed pre-eclampsia in my last pregnancy. Now, it was really late in pregnancy (36 weeks) and it was mild pre-e, but still. What does iodine detox, specifically? I have a bunch of amalgam fillings that I can't just get rid of. Will iodine cause the mercury to leach out & into my breastmilk? I really don't want to 'poison' ds.

My basal temp has been low for a long time, which I chalked up to bf, but now that I put that together with the ovarian cysts, the exhaustion, migraines and just feeling under the weather, it make sense. I switched to sea salt during pregnancy, and my body does a LOT better on it than 'regular' table salt. Even if I'm heavy handed on it, I don't bloat, etc. I'm just afraid of doing something wrong while taking iodine. Like, do I need to take a magnesium supp, cod liver oil, etc? And in what doses? I don't have the $$ for a naturopath, so I am doing this on my own. Is there any link that can give me a sort of 'if you are low on this (fill in nutrient), take this amount of *blank* in addition to this much iodine'? I just don't want to cancel out the iodine I'm taking by either not taking a supporting supplement or taking a blocking one (like a calcium one).

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Did anyone get pins and needles and twitching/spasms w/iodine? I woke up w/pins and needles in my hand, muscle twitching in my hand and a headache...the headache subsided w/mag...is this iodine/potassium related or something else? I'm taking 2 iodoral in the am and 2 in the pm. I wish we could all amass our experiences w/iodine supplementation....a spreadsheet w/how much we're taking, what else we're taking and our symptoms....I know I know who has the time...*sigh*

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What would be a good way to get B vitamins? I prefer whole food sources if possible or else whatever would be most effective.
Raw, grass-fed beef liver. I swallow small pieces whole, sprinkled with Celtic salt & kelp - with a glass of water.

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I'm a BF mamma who's debating iodine supp as well but scared for dd(almost 12 months). I have hypo/hashis/adrenal fatigue. It's really the hashis that has me still avoiding iodine supp.
What to do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I've been thinking a lot about iodine lately - there's a book I think I saw recommended in A Grain of Salt (the Grain & Salt Society's newsletter) - or maybe I'm thinking of the sea salt book...

Anywho, I've been trying to add more sea veggies to our diet for iodine, but I'm thinking that Lugol's might be the way to go. I'm also avoiding high costs - how much are the loading tests?

I'm also still nursing Ds, so I think I'd rather start slow.

How much would you give to children? They already take D, K2 & CLO drops, what's one more?

I've always thought of the Japanese' iodine intake when their good health was brought up.

I already take Blue Ice, selenium & magnesium, so it looks like I'm all set. Can someone tell me about the salt flush? Headaches tend to be my usual reaction to toxins (or anything, really) & I need to be able to function.

Thanks for starting this thread, Jane.

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Ok, I am doing the iodine loading test today. So I had to take a full 50mg Iodoral pill. Now I feel nauseous. Could it be from the iodine?

I'm taking the rest of my supplements as usual.

ETA: I"m interested in the salt flush as well. Someone recommended I do a C flush for other reasons. I'm wondering if its ok to do both, maybe alternating weeks.

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Lyme patients will do salt & C simultaneously....

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Lyme patients will do salt & C simultaneously....
Do Lyme patients do Salt & C flushes together? That sounds rather harsh to me. I always thought they just drank salt/c water throughout the day.

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I knew I had read about detox pathways & iodine before! In the August 2007 issue of Grain of Salt, there's an article on breast health that starts on page 7 but continues on page 24. Page 24 talks about iodine & detox pathways.

http://www.celticseasalt.com/PDF/SNL07.pdf

What about Iodoral? How does it compare to Lugol's?

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what's blue ice?

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Do Lyme patients do Salt & C flushes together? That sounds rather harsh to me. I always thought they just drank salt/c water throughout the day.
I don't know. I'm unclear on the specifics of salt & C flushes. I know that Lyme patients following the salt & C protocol take massive doses of both salt & C many times throughout the day.

Can you tell me (or link me) the specifics of salt/c flushes?

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what's blue ice?
A brand of cod liver oil. *Fermented* Blue Ice is currently the only brand of CLO that doesn't use synthetic vitamins. (AFAIK)

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Dd is 2.5, but still nurses a lot. I'm hoping that this will be one of the last pieces of the puzzle, though, so hopefully that frequency will drop pretty soon.

Thanks for clearing up some of the nursing stuff. I was getting scared from reading the iodine list, but it sounds like that could have been largely just an issue of we don't know so don't do it.

So how important is the loading test? Or can we just assume we're deficient and start supping? Is it really useful to have that starting value to come back and compare?

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So how important is the loading test? Or can we just assume we're deficient and start supping? Is it really useful to have that starting value to come back and compare?
whoMe, you keep asking all of the same questions that I have!

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I'm reading about salt flushes for bromide here:
http://www.breastcancerchoices.org/iprotocol.html
and have to ask... Are there any extra issues with salt flushes while nursing that we know of?

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Jane, I would love to hear more info about why NOT to choose organic kelp or dulse which has been tested free of heavy metals, instead for the iodine. Those absorb/bind with heavy metals in the large intestine, from my understanding; and help to excrete it, in addition to the whole food benefits AND iodine. Seems to 'kill two birds with one stone' as it were: iodine and helps with the (released/circulating) mercury/heavy metal stores (bromides too?). I'm not completely clear on the physiology of it. But, I'm just a whole foods gal.

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Pat - do you know if the natural sources have both iodine and iodide? That would be an important consideration.

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great questions!!!! I'm waiting on my liquid dulse now.
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Just ordered Dr Brownstein's book.

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Thanks for starting the thread Jane and all the information! Dh and I started Iodoral a few weeks back - 1/2 pill each. I am now up to 2 pills a day; he is stuck at 1 (apparently, I didn't tell him I was increasing each week ). We also do magnesium (and I've realized how deficient we are as we can both do 600 mg at bedtime with no bowel tolerance), CLO, fish oil (for extra omega 3), vitamin D, B-complex, and extra C. The one thing we don't have is extra selenium (only what we take in our multi, which, I think, is 125 mcg). So, I might add extra selenium.

I have a feeling my boys need iodine supplementation given my history. They are almost 8, 5 1/2, and almost 3. The youngest is still nursing 2x a day, so he is probably getting some through me. How should I start with them? Should I get the liquid Iosol because it is such a low dose, and start them slowly to see how they respond? They all get selenium through their multi (Brainchild Nutritional for the younger two and a smaller dose of the same multi dh and I take for my oldest). They also get CLO (when I remember ) and magnesium (again, when I remember), and take extra S.A. during the day.

For me, hypothyroidism (or, shall I say highly suspected as my tests always came back "normal") is "genetic" - both my mom and her mom have suffered from the symptoms most of our lives. I am working on getting my mom on iodine; her otherwise alternative minded MD prescribed her Synthroid recently.

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Have things changed? As far as I know the loading test is 25 mg, not 50. One pill of Iodoral is 12.5 mg. The loading test uses 2. At least it always did.
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Did anyone get pins and needles and twitching/spasms w/iodine? I woke up w/pins and needles in my hand, muscle twitching in my hand and a headache...the headache subsided w/mag...is this iodine/potassium related or something else? I'm taking 2 iodoral in the am and 2 in the pm. I wish we could all amass our experiences w/iodine supplementation....a spreadsheet w/how much we're taking, what else we're taking and our symptoms....I know I know who has the time...*sigh*
Are you just starting? that's a pretty high dose off the bat. generally people work up to that. If you are just starting unless you have been advised otherwise you might think about backing down and working your way up.
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For me, hypothyroidism (or, shall I say highly suspected as my tests always came back "normal") is "genetic" - both my mom and her mom have suffered from the symptoms most of our lives.
So many things that people assume are genetic are simply inadequate stores being handed down. Seems like you may be able to break this "genetic" issue!
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So many things that people assume are genetic are simply inadequate stores being handed down. Seems like you may be able to break this "genetic" issue!
Most definitely! That is why I like to use "genetic" in quotes; I don't think that most things are truly genetic.

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Just adding my 2 cents... I first started looking into iodine supp because of a fibroadenoma I'm trying to shrink before considering another pregnancy (my midwife advises me to "take care of it" but I am not wild about the idea of surgery, especially while still breastfeeding my 18mo DD). Also because I am originally from the midwest, where iodine deficiency is apparently even more common. So after reading a lot of the research, I ordered myself some Iodoral and worked my way up over the course of a few weeks to 50mg/day. Have been at that level for 2 months now. So far I haven't really had any detox symptoms, and I have been feeling great. One unexpected benefit was that DD's eczema (flare-ups are tied to food allergies, but she had a very mild baseline that I couldn't get to go away even with a careful diet) finally completely went away! (We have also been seeing a homeopath, so we've had a lot of improving in general lately, but I am pretty sure that the eczema clearing was solely due to the addition of iodine.)

I am thinking about doing the loading test soon to see how close I am to "sufficiency", since I'd like to go down to a maintenance dose before getting pregnant - I just don't see enough research on high doses during pregnancy, but I can convince myself that 12.5mg/day during pregnancy is ok based on that being the average amound consumed by Japanese women. I have an appointment (couldn't get in until July) to see a local ND who has experience with iodine supplementation, and I will probably ask him to ordering the loading test for me.

One question I do have - I thought full strength Lugol's solution was only available with a prescription. Is that true? My understanding is that it's much cheaper than Iodoral, but that it tastes awful. So I'm considering trying to get ahold of some just to see if I could stand it and save a few $$.

Not sure yet if it's helping with my fibroadenoma...might need to give it a little longer, apparently it can take awhile.

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Have things changed? As far as I know the loading test is 25 mg, not 50. One pill of Iodoral is 12.5 mg. The loading test uses 2. At least it always did.
This site says 50mg
http://www.breastcancerchoices.org/loading.html

But it looks like Doctor's Data has a test where your doctor can decide the appropriate loading dose.
http://iodine4health.com/ortho/iodin...st_sources.htm

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This thread is so so timely and perfect, thank you Jane. I just got a hypoT diagnosis and waiting to see if I have hashis. I am currently on Armour, but I would love to support my body to make it's own thyroid hormone.

For anyone interested in Bromide Testing, Stephanie, the owner of the Iodine Yahoo group rec's this lab:

http://hakalalabs.com/

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interesting!
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I'm reading about salt flushes for bromide here:
http://www.breastcancerchoices.org/iprotocol.html
and have to ask... Are there any extra issues with salt flushes while nursing that we know of?
I'd love to know too

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I don't know. I'm unclear on the specifics of salt & C flushes. I know that Lyme patients following the salt & C protocol take massive doses of both salt & C many times throughout the day.

Can you tell me (or link me) the specifics of salt/c flushes?
http://www.breastcancerchoices.org/drshevin.html

http://www.perque.com/pdfs/Pt_Ascorbate_Slush_FIN.pdf

So one flushes fluid and the other flushes solids.

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Have things changed? As far as I know the loading test is 25 mg, not 50. One pill of Iodoral is 12.5 mg. The loading test uses 2. At least it always did.
Only for you, PB, would I look through the trash (and to satisfy myself that I did read correctly). The little envelope that had the pill in it says Iodoral 50mg. So the dose they sent was 50 mg but it was only one pill.

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Only for you, PB, would I look through the trash (and to satisfy myself that I did read correctly). The little envelope that had the pill in it says Iodoral 50mg. So the dose they sent was 50 mg but it was only one pill.
: I appreciate it! Off to look now. I haven't seen it offered in 50 mg pills. That's good info to have!
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