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Undue industry influences that distort healthcare research

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We located abundance of consistent evidence demonstrating that the industry has created means to intervene in all steps of the processes that determine healthcare research, strategy, expenditure, practice and education. As a result of these interferences, the benefits of drugs and other products are often exaggerated and their potential harms are downplayed, and clinical guidelines, medical practice, and healthcare expenditure decisions are biased.
I think vaccines might be included under "other products". Given the difficulty of suing for vaccine damage in the US or anywhere else in the world, the temptation to push lots and lots of vaccines must be overwhelming.

See Gardasil, Denmark. The chances that any of the companies involved will actually have to suffer any consequences if they did know and cover up problems from their HPV vaccines is so low as to be impossible to measure. There is, I suspect, a good chance that the problems will continue to be covered up and the medical establishment and drug companies will continue to whine about low uptake of these vaccines.

I also suspect that the HPV vaccines will be added to the mandated group ASAP in the US.
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I really don't know which is worse: That the corruption exists at such a deep level or the fact that some people can easily excuse it. Maybe they just don't care.

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I really don't know which is worse: That the corruption exists at such a deep level or the fact that some people can easily excuse it. Maybe they just don't care.

I'm going to add this link to the "consensus" thread.
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I really don't know which is worse: That the corruption exists at such a deep level or the fact that some people can easily excuse it. Maybe they just don't care.

They cannot allow themselves to believe and will defend to the end. Who wants to admit to themselves, never mind publicly, that something they allowed to be done to their children was built on such a shaky foundation?

Harsh, I know - but what other excuse is there for dismissal and denial?

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"We located abundance of consistent evidence demonstrating that the industry has created means to intervene in all steps of the processes that determine healthcare research, strategy, expenditure, practice and education. As a result of these interferences, the benefits of drugs and other products are often exaggerated and their potential harms are downplayed, and clinical guidelines, medical practice, and healthcare expenditure decisions are biased."

That quote could reference any drug.

"How can you read that and still think insulin made by Big Pharma is effective at treating diabetes?! Or that HIV medication is effective at keeping the virus from replicating in your body and prolonging life expectancy? Did you know that there are over 30 different drugs that have been approved by the FDA to be sold by Big Pharma for HIV with tons more in the pipeline? Do you know how many billions and billions of dollars they make selling those drugs? How can you read that quote and not believe it's all a sham? Clearly it's denial."

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"We located abundance of consistent evidence demonstrating that the industry has created means to intervene in all steps of the processes that determine healthcare research, strategy, expenditure, practice and education. As a result of these interferences, the benefits of drugs and other products are often exaggerated and their potential harms are downplayed, and clinical guidelines, medical practice, and healthcare expenditure decisions are biased."

That quote could reference any drug.

"How can you read that and still think insulin made by Big Pharma is effective at treating diabetes?! Or that HIV medication is effective at keeping the virus from replicating in your body and prolonging life expectancy? Did you know that there are over 30 different drugs that have been approved by the FDA to be sold by Big Pharma for HIV with tons more in the pipeline? Do you know how many billions and billions of dollars they make selling those drugs? How can you read that quote and not believe it's all a sham? Clearly it's denial."
Neat system. Are you saying that we have a choice between absolute trust in the FDA and the drug companies (despite manipulation of evidence and signs of captive regulatory agencies) or absolute distrust? That seems a bit extreme.
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If I do get into a situation where a drug is necessary, I'll talk to a doctor and ask what they can recommend that has the lowest level of side-effects and has been on the market for at least 10 years.

I strongly recommend avoiding new, popular, blockbuster drugs unless there is absolutely no alternative.
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Neat system. Are you saying that we have a choice between absolute trust in the FDA and the drug companies (despite manipulation of evidence and signs of captive regulatory agencies) or absolute distrust? That seems a bit extreme.
It is extreme. Which is exactly the point I am trying to make. That quote does not mean vaccines aren't safe and effective anymore than it means insulin is ineffective.

I can think Big Pharma has been shady in the past with drug X but it doesn't follow that that means I then have to also believe they are being shady about drug Y now.

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It is extreme. Which is exactly the point I am trying to make. That quote does not mean vaccines aren't safe and effective anymore than it means insulin is ineffective.

I can think Big Pharma has been shady in the past with drug X but it doesn't follow that that means I then have to also believe they are being shady about drug Y now.
Well, your position strikes me as both extreme and absurd. If your trust turns out to be misplaced you could end up dead or chronically ill. High price to pay.

Why not exercise some judgement? Do some research? Get a second opinion? Use a drug that has been on the market for a few years?

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I can think Big Pharma has been shady in the past with drug X but it doesn't follow that that means I then have to also believe they are being shady about drug Y now.
So is the science settled on ALL vaccines?
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So ALL the science is settled on ALL vaccines-according to you?
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I think teacozy was referring to this comment I made: "Why not exercise some judgement? Do some research? Get a second opinion? Use a drug that has been on the market for a few years?" and saying that she feels she is exercising some judgement, has done some research and has gotten second opinions. Plus she is using vaccines that have been on the market for a few years.

It is pulling it out of context, as I was referring to drugs, not vaccines, but no problem. I'm fine with people who trust vaccines vaccinating and dealing with whatever comes. Their choice, their life.
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I think teacozy was referring to this comment I made: "Why not exercise some judgement? Do some research? Get a second opinion? Use a drug that has been on the market for a few years?" and saying that she feels she is exercising some judgement, has done some research and has gotten second opinions. Plus she is using vaccines that have been on the market for a few years.

It is pulling it out of context, as I was referring to drugs, not vaccines, but no problem. I'm fine with people who trust vaccines vaccinating and dealing with whatever comes. Their choice, their life.
I'm sure there is a reason @teacozy avoided directly answering my question and prefers to spin on the subject!!!!! I'm sure it quite clear to others too!
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I'm sure there is a reason @teacozy avoided directly answering my question and prefers to spin on the subject!!!!! I'm sure it quite clear to others too!
Generally, if someone avoids answering a question or commenting on something I do assume I'm on the right track. Who wants to deal with the difficult questions?
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I consider to see studies like the one referenced in the first post as fair warning that you just don't know what you are getting when you accept a drug, especially a new, recently approved drug. So why not exercise due diligence?

And I also see no reason why exercising due diligence with vaccines is a bad idea.

My favorite pro-vaccine slogan? "Vaccines are a no-brainer."
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