Originally Posted by teacozy
NO one one either death was worth less than the other. It is about looking at the big picture.
As was put by another person (they got the roughly 11 deaths a year from MMR number from the VAERS data non-vaxers often cite)
"So-called wild measles was merely an unpleasant experience for 90% of the victims, but it hospitalized an estimated 48,000 per year and killed 400. No antivaxer has ever been able to explain why trading 400 wild measles deaths for even the alleged 11 vaccine deaths is a bad deal. Or why 400 deaths and thousands of cases of deafness, blindness, and brain damage are the signs of a "mild" disease.
Ah, measles. Measles is always trotted out because it is a bit of an ace in the pro-vax pocket. Shall we talk about the flu, or how about pertussis - which in 2012 reached levels not seen since the 1950's?
But....let's talk about measles. It is one of the only diseases where the argument of "do it or we will return to mass complications and deaths" might resonate with anyone with any knowledge on the subject.. Flu, pertussis? Nope - vaccines are lousy. Chicken pox, rotavirus, hep a , mumps, rubella? Nope - diseases are not scary in developed countries. No mass complications or mass deaths expected (although an argument can be made that teens who have not had mumps, rubella and CP by adolescent could consider vaccination to keep complications low). Diptheria? Scary - but sooo unlikely to return. Diphtheria is largely a disease of social disintegration. Tetanus? Not contagious. etc.
I will also add that many non-vaxxers would put measles in with chicken pox, rubella, rotavirus, etc. It really isn't scary to a lot of them.
So...back to measles for a second,
now that lurkers know why
it is trotted out. Other diseases are just not so convincing. With the exception of a vaccinated, very sick woman who got measles in a hospital (the hospital should have done a better job of keeping her away from the public) no one has died of measles in the USA in over 10 years.
As a parent, my number one job is to protect my children. 11 deaths from MMR versus 1 from the disease. Cast my vote for the "1" crowd, please.
To a large degree I think the public is duped. The media does not help in this area. People truly think measles is out there just waiting to get their child, and if they do not vaccinate, their child will get it and will suffer horribly. Or they think they have to vaccinate for their child to go to school, or tthey simply always do exactly as their doctor says.....
I suspect that only a small percentage of people (less than 10% perhaps) know that in the last 10 years or so the average number of measles cases in the USA has been around 200, and that only one very sick, vaccinated person died form it.
I acknowledge that measles numbers would spike if
more people declined MMR. Measles is endemic in some parts of the world and highly contagious. I am still going to skip the MMR vaccine - because not vaccinating for measles is currently safer than vaccinating for measles in many countries, by virtually any matrix. I do not care if you think this selfish (shrug). I am not going to put my children at higher risk for the "greater good." I am, frankly, very confused how any parent can choose to put their child's safety below the "greater good".....the only conclusion I can come to is that many pro-vaxxers do not really believe that vaccines put their child at any risk. This is evident in their denial of court cases, lack of concern with vaccine inserts, refusing to name *any* person they believe hurt by vaccines, the continual dismissal of parent stories and "coincident disorder" etc.