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2010 raport from Cochrane Collaboration says flu vaccines doesn't provide any benefit
Just as an FYI in case you like these sort of things: Cochrane has a new report on flu vaccine, but it isn't any better:

http://www.cochrane.org/CD001269/ARI...healthy-adults
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It is not better and I think it will not be, since they've been present failures for so many decades. What's worse, they test vaccines on children with cancer.

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The retrospective study looked at rates of flu infection during three successive flu seasons in 498 St. Jude patients being treated for acute leukemia. Researchers found the 354 patients who received flu shots, including 98 who received booster doses, and the 144 patients who were not vaccinated had almost identical rates of confirmed flu and flu-like illness." - Flu vaccine failed to protect young leukemia patients during cancer treatment
https://www.stjude.org/media-resourc...-patients.html

Danuta Skowronski, an epidemiologist at the BC Centre for Disease Control in Vancouver, Canada said something interesting:
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"This immunization program has been predicated on assumptions on top of assumptions. Unless we have these discussions, we'll never have improved vaccine options. And I don't think it's antivaccine to want your vaccine program to be the best that it can be." - Why flu vaccines so often fail
or another guy in the same article named Michael Osterholm, an epidemiologist at the University of Minnesota in Minneapolis.
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"10% to 60% protection is better than nothing... But it's a terribly inadequate vaccine for a serious public health threat... It's much more complicated than we thought... I know less about influenza today than I did 10 years ago." - Why flu vaccines so often fail
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/...-so-often-fail
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from link above
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Further complicating the picture is the immunologic legacy of multiple exposures to influenza each year—from the vaccine and from wild-type virus. "What is the effect of primary and subsequent exposure to the virus?" asks Adolfo García-Sastre, an influenza vaccine researcher at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai in New York City. "It makes it very difficult to come up with hard data about what's going on."
That was an excellent compilation of information in one article.

Wonder how many people understand any of this when giving "informed," consent.

As long as they can produce something that convinces people (10% effectiveness) that H3N2 appearing in almost every US state at the same time, is not in any way related to roughly 40% of the population receiving flu vaccines, repeatedly, they might get away without adding to the growing number of those questioning the ever expanding schedule.
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I wonder how many people would be happy with a contraceptive that has a 10% effective rate?
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It is not better and I think it will not be, since they've been present failures for so many decades. What's worse, they test vaccines on children with cancer.


https://www.stjude.org/media-resourc...-patients.html

Danuta Skowronski, an epidemiologist at the BC Centre for Disease Control in Vancouver, Canada said something interesting:


or another guy in the same article named Michael Osterholm, an epidemiologist at the University of Minnesota in Minneapolis.

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/...-so-often-fail
Nice to meet you Matty80, welcome to Vaccinations.

I've been wondering if the US is indeed reaping what it has sown in terms of influenza and influenza like illnesses. It seems as though a steadily growing portion of the population is terribly vulnerable to getting sick.
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On a different topic: http://www.precisionvaccinations.com...mortality-rate

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This is the latest study looking at whether all-cause mortality is lower when a child's most recent immunization is a measles vaccine.
Using routine vaccination and survival data for more than 38,000 children involving an annual cohort of children aged 9-23 months from 1996-2012, using Cox proportional hazards models, the proportion of children in Ghana who received the measles vaccine after DTP3 increased from 45% in 1996 to 95% in 2012.
"Evaluations of immunization programs are usually based on the assumption that vaccines only protect against specific diseases," says the study's lead author, Dr. Paul Welaga from the Navrongo Health Research Centre in Ghana.
"Our new study adds to growing evidence that, when administered in the recommended sequence, measles vaccination helps to reduce child mortality through non-specific effects as well."
What they aren't telling you, is that a scientist named Aaby has been studying all this for years and he is the one that figured out that the DTP was killing the children. Giving the measles vaccine reduces the death rate.

https://academic.oup.com/trstmh/arti...10/570/2548939

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In the early 2000 s, we suggested that diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis vaccine (DTP) was associated with increased mortality.1-3 Subsequently, WHO's Global Advisory Committee on Vaccine Safety (GACVS) sponsored the reanalysis of some existing data sets4-9 and concluded in 2004 that there was no basis for the suggestion that DTP might be associated with increased female mortality.10 However, the analysis of the WHO-sponsored studies introduced survival bias.1,11,12 Following recognition of this methodological error 10 years ago, together with researchers at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine, we formulated a set of testable hypotheses about the non-specific effects of vaccines, which were published in Tropical Medicine and International Health (the ‘TMIH-hypotheses’).1
The hypotheses were largely based on previous reports which had suggested, first, that DTP was associated with increased child mortality in rural Guinea-Bissau2 and, second, that the real reason why the high-titre measles vaccine (HTMV) had been associated with increased female mortality was that children had received DTP after measles vaccination (MV).3
Basically, the new research is another attempt to cover up the increased mortality following the DTP vaccine.

part of that big pile of science supporting the vaccine paradigm!
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I've been wondering if the US is indeed reaping what it has sown in terms of influenza and influenza like illnesses. It seems as though a steadily growing portion of the population is terribly vulnerable to getting sick.
There is evidence that the flu vaccine increases the risk of flu-like illness

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The study "Increased Risk of Noninfluenza Respiratory Virus Infections Associated With Receipt of Inactivated Influenza Vaccine" is particularly noteworthy because it was a double-blind placebo-controlled trial—and the researchers used saline solution, a genuinely inactive placebo, as a standin for the trivalent flu vaccine. Most vaccine trials utilize active placebos, which are substances that include ingredients used in the vaccines, making the studies meaningless—though this fact is almost never revealed in the writeups.
https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/54/12/1778/455098
Subjects were followed for an average of 272 days. The active influenza vaccine adminstered was Sanofi Pasteur’s Vaxigrip. The trial included children aged 6-15 years. 69 were given Vaxgrip and 46 received the saline placebo.

With regard to effectiveness against influenza, the authors wrote:

There was no statistically significant difference in the risk of confirmed seasonal influenza infection between recipients of TIV [trivalent influenza inactivated vaccine] or placebo.

The flu vaccine provided no benefit!

The authors tried to cover that by adding:

TIV recipients had significantly lower risk of seasonal influenza infection based on serologic evidence.

In other words, the authors are trying to suggest that, in spite of the fact that vaccine recipients suffered as much genuine influenza as those who’d received a placebo, they still benefited because of “serologic evidence”. This “serologic evidence” consists of antibodies produced as a result of the vaccine, which is the standard method of determining a vaccine’s effectiveness.

In other words, a vaccine’s effectiveness is not determined by whether it prevents disease, but rather by whether it causes antibodies to be produced!

But the story is even worse than this. The study also demonstrated that the vaccine resulted in recipients having 5.5 times more respiratory illness. Here’s a partial breakdown of their results:
Source: https://healthimpactnews.com/2013/st...cinated-study/

It is sad and pathetic that influenza-like diseases, which are increasing after vaccination, are used in campaigns in vaccine marketing.

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“The CDC states every year in the United States, on average, 36,000 people die from the flu? But this is a deliberate deception by the CDC…The actual number of flu associated deaths from the CDC Vital Statistics Reports are 753 deaths in 2002. How does the CDC get from 753 flu deaths to its statement that 36,000 flu deaths occur annually? By combining flu deaths with pneumonia deaths with the statement that influenza leads to pneumonia. But the facts do not support this frequent broad misstatement by health professionals. The American Lung Association describes pneumonia as having over thirty different causes. We know that influenza is not the major cause…Keep in mind that the influenza vaccine provides no protection from bacterial infections. So it stretches credibility to assert the flu causes pneumonia when, in fact, the data shows it only causes a small minority of cases.” - Lorraine Jeanette Day MD, 12/17/07

Q: “Year after year 10,000 – 30,000 people in Germany alone die of influenza. In the western world, influenza is the most deadly infectious disease.”
A: “Hold on! These figures are nothing more than estimates. You have to distinguish between an influenza-like illness and a genuine flu, the real influenza. Both of them have the same symptoms… but real flues, real influenzas are only caused by influenza viruses while there are more than 200 viruses that cause influenza-like illnesses. When it comes to figures related to so-called flu deaths, you always get other causes of death caused by other viruses mixed in. Approximately 7% of influenza-like illness cases are caused by influenza viruses. What I know is that influenza is systematically over-estimated.”Dr. Tom Jefferson, Epidemiologist in interview with Der Spiegal Magazine (Germany) 7/21/09 - The Flu: Disease Prevalence and Vaccine Efficacy? Vaccines Uncensored
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@Matty80 every time that study with the saline placebo is brought up, one of the vaccine supporters cites a bigger study that showed the opposite. I'm not going to bother tracking it down. Just so you know how the game works.
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And another great piece of science has been added to the big pile. http://www.thelancet.com/journals/la...245-9/fulltext

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The perfect vaccine does not exist and every new product is likely to have safety risks. Although uncertainties exist, the public health and economic benefits of Dengvaxia (Sanofi Pasteur, Lyon, France) far outweigh the potential risks. As the German theologian Meister Eckhart (1260–1328) is credited with saying, “the cost of inaction is far greater than the cost of making a mistake”.
The Asia Dengue Vaccine Advocacy Group is an independent advocacy group of experts, which has received unrestricted educational grants from Sanofi Pasteur. We declare no competing interests.
The problem is that people don't trust drug companies and more and more don't trust vaccines. How to regain trust? Will the approach outlined in the article above help or hurt?
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The Mindanao solon made the statement after it was revealed that former Health Secretary Esperanza Cabral, who has publicly spoken and written about the Dengvaxia case, also serves on the 11-member board of trustees of the Zuellig Family Foundation.


“We actually have two multinational pharmaceutical companies involved here, not just one,” Pimentel said, referring to Sanofi S.A., the manufacturer of Dengvaxia, and Sanofi’s Dengvaxia distributor, Zuellig Pharma Holdings Pte. Ltd.
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It really seems as though the Dengvaxia roll out was rushed. Politics? Bribes? Gullibility? Or was it truly a high-minded attempt to save lives?

https://www.rappler.com/views/animat...accountability

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While experts debate these two issues, we forget what brought these about was the Aquino government’s seeming rush to enter a deal with Sanofi, pay the multibillion-peso billing, and roll out the massive immunization campaign – skirting rules and taking shortcuts to make it possible.
In our editorial last December, in time for the resumption of Senate and House probes into the Dengvaxia mess, we already listed questions that these investigations should find answers to. Our point then, which remains so now, was to identify liabilities and make the accountable officials of the Aquino administration and the current one (if warranted) face the consequences.

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This article raises an interesting question. We've discussed disparities around disease concerns many times. Just about everyone is aware of how mumps and later chickenpox became deadly diseases once a vaccine was available.

CMV causes awful birth defects. Most cases can be prevented by counseling women on risks to avoid during pregnancy. But prevention efforts don't seem to be a priority. https://www.healthnewsreview.org/201...birth-defects/

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“There was definitely some frustration in the CMV community about the attention given to Zika when CMV causes far more disease, and always has, and always will, until we make a breakthrough,” Soren Gantt, MD, PhD, MPH, an infectious disease researcher at the University of British Columbia, said.
Great example of poor planning around public health spending.
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https://www.cdc.gov/flu/spotlights/v...e-outcomes.htm

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The study looked at hospitalized flu patients during 2013-2014 and compared patients who had been vaccinated to those who had not. The observed benefits were greatest among people 65 years of age and older, which is notable because people in this age group are at increased risk of serious flu complications and have the highest hospitalization rate among all age groups.
The study found that vaccinated adults were 52-79% less likely to die than unvaccinated flu-hospitalized patients. In other words, an unvaccinated hospitalized flu patient was 2 to 5 times more likely to die than someone who had been vaccinated.
Additional benefits were observed in terms of reducing ICU admissions for several age groups. For example, vaccinated adults 18-49 years of age as well as adults 65 years of age and older hospitalized from flu were 37% less likely to be admitted to the ICU than those who were not vaccinated. In terms of length of ICU stay, vaccinated adults 50-64 years of age as well as adults 65 years of age and older admitted to an ICU with flu illness were more likely to have a shorter stay in the ICU than those who were not vaccinated. Furthermore, vaccinated adults 50-64 years of age and adults 65 years of age and older were more likely to be discharged from the hospital earlier than those hospitalized with the flu who had not been vaccinated.
Researchers did not observe a difference between length of hospital stay or length of ICU stay among people 18 to 49 years of age. The authors discussed whether a larger sample size may have been needed to measure this outcome in this age group.
It is odd, but the summary doesn't mention any sort of adjustment made for the "healthy vaccinee effect" which is what undermined previous studies on the benefits of flu vaccines.

Note that there was no difference for the 18 to 49 year olds.

Now, note what the publicity on this topic claims the study demonstrates:
https://theconversation.com/how-vacc...pandemic-91194

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Many studies show that vaccination decreases the severity of influenza as well as influenza-related complications. This is an enormous benefit.
Many studies? They link to one.
The public version is pushing flu vaccines for everyone.
But the science they link to says that 18 to 49 year olds showed no difference in intensity if they did get sick.

I suspect that if I took the time to follow up on the rest of their links to the science it would be equally holy...whoops I mean the resemblance to Swiss cheese would be equally striking...I don't want to claim that vaccines are a religion...
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Expert testifies on Dengvaxia. http://cnnphilippines.com/news/2018/...in-Aquino.html

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He added, "If you've been vaccinated and you're hospitalized, something is very wrong - that's what I call serious adverse event."
Halstead said he tried to forewarn the Philippine government before the immunization program took place in April 2016, but the program still went on.
In a study published in medical journal "Vaccine" in March 2016, Halstead warned that Dengvaxia should not be administered to seronegative individuals or people who have not been infected with the dengue virus.
He said Sanofi Pasteur recognized his early warning in 2016 when it issued a printed rebuttal, saying Halstead's study lacked basis.
Sanofi's Asia Pacific head Thomas Triomphe was quick to defend the company saying it was already in March 2017 that Sanofi have found out about the risks of Dengvaxia.
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Hoping someone, someday will explain how this sort of misbehavior CANNOT happen with vaccines. https://www.theguardian.com/business...P=share_btn_fb
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Expert witnesses and doctors and police and lawyers could all be wrong. About child abuse. But none of these people could ever possibly be wrong about vaccines. Even though a lot of the support for vaccines is based on the same sort of circular reasoning. http://www.sundayguardianlive.com/cu...legal-standard

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For parents there was no escaping their fate. From the moment of the initial allegation against them, the alliance of medical experts, police, social workers and unsympathetic judiciary—well organised, experienced and well-financed—meant their eventual conviction was almost a foregone conclusion. Nonetheless, the two assumptions, scientific and legal, of the specificity of this syndrome as diagnostic of abuse remained as insecure as ever, with the courts’ willingness to convict parents resting almost entirely on their faith in the reliability and trustworthiness of medical expert opinion.
I recommend reading the entire article. The parallels are striking.

You can also note that many medical societies and governmental agencies are united in defending this system of judging parents as guilty of abusing their children when it is quite likely that the injuries had other, overlooked, causes. It is quite common for vaccine defenders to provide a long list of medical societies and governmental agencies who all say that vaccines are safe and effective. Okay. Doesn't mean that there are no valid concerns around vaccine programs.

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The papering over of the valid concerns about Dengvaxia is moving ahead briskly. http://www.aei.org/publication/dengu...pine-hysteria/

Note the use of the word "hysteria".

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In 2016 Sanofi introduced its vaccine, called Dengvaxia, in the Philippines. It was the first public dengue vaccine immunization program and it has shown success over its first phase. But last November Sanofi published ongoing study data that pointed out that there was a small possibility (0.2%) that those vaccinated, who had not previously had dengue, could develop a severe version of the disease. All of those affected this way were able to recover with medical treatment.
But the good news of fewer dengue cases was almost entirely lost in the hysterical media and political response. The local Department of Health was accused of turning kids into guinea pigs, an article in the Manila Times called it “state-sanctioned killing,” and a local anti-vaccination activist Dante Jimenez called it “worse than any heinous crime. We could liken it to genocide.”
There is a good chance that the Philippines government will reassert control over news flows, and patient outcomes are excellent. Another 10 countries are rolling out vaccine programs.
But there is always the possibility that social media will encourage folks to boycott vaccines. In some places in the Philippines there is a massive 30% drop in immunization rates for diseases like polio, tetanus, chickenpox, and measles. Measles rates are rising and age-old scourges could return because of hysteria and politicization of what should be a dengue success story.
Hopefully the hysteria will die down, but if not this could be a disaster in the making.
Sure sounds to me as though the conclusion is that it is okay to rush out a new vaccine, dismiss any illness or deaths that may occur, and attack anyone who raises concerns as "anti-vaccine".

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The papering over of Dengvaxia concerns is not going all that smoothly in the Philippines, however. https://www.untvweb.com/news/health-...-case-refusal/
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Argument in Australia over the timing of flu vaccinations. Drug stores pushing people to get them early (as does the CDC in the US) but the government recommends them a bit later.

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“The last thing we want to see this year is patients doing the right thing and receiving a flu vaccination, only for the vaccination to wear off by the time we reach flu season,” Dr Seidel said.
AMA WA president Dr Omar Khorshid said pharmacies “are obviously motivated to get people through the door”.
“But we don’t see large numbers of people with the flu until after June ... so, yes, what the pharmacies are doing has the potential to confuse many people,” he said.
Pharmacy Guild of Australia WA president Matthew Tweedie said there had already been more than 700 cases of influenza in WA this year.
This is double the number at the same time last year.
Mr Tweedie said there were benefits in getting the flu shot, regardless of the timing.
I do enjoy seeing the vaccine pushers bickering.
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Hopefully someone has debunked this... http://journals.plos.org/plosone/art...l.pone.0169526

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In order to further investigate these points, this paper performs the most detailed statistical analysis to date of a data set in this field. First morning urine samples were collected from 67 children and adults with ASD and 50 neurotypical controls of similar age and gender. The samples were analyzed to determine the levels of 10 urinary toxic metals (UTM). Autism-related symptoms were assessed with eleven behavioral measures. Statistical analysis was used to distinguish participants on the ASD spectrum and neurotypical participants based upon the UTM data alone. The analysis also included examining the association of autism severity with toxic metal excretion data using linear and nonlinear analysis. “Leave-one-out” cross-validation was used to ensure statistical independence of results.
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https://www.panaynews.net/dengvaxia-...-conspirators/

scandal isn't going away. Surprising. I thought developing countries LOVE vaccines and don't ask troublesome questions.

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The report recommended the criminal prosecution of Aquino, Garin, Abad, and other former officials “for all the tragedy, damage and possible deaths as a result of the Dengvaxia mass vaccination program.”
“The purchase was pushed despite the fact that the clinical trials were not yet finished” and
“the warnings by some experts as to its dangers” were ignored, Ejercito lamented.
On the other hand, Ejercito said Abad “facilitated, recommended, and approved the release of the money without congressional approval in amazing record time, and during a holiday period at that!”
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People seem to be seriously upset over Dengvaxia. And some countries still have a free press when it comes to vaccine problems. http://www.manilatimes.net/duterte-t...gvaxia/392606/

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The draft report released by the Senate blue ribbon panel found that the procurement of P3.5-billion worth of dengue vaccine Dengvaxia was done with “undue haste.”
The committee also emphasized in its report that former president Benigno Aquino 3rd, former Health chief Janette Garin, and former Budget secretary Florencio Abad were “primary conspirators” in the purchase of Dengvaxia.
“Aquino, Garin, Abad, and other officials are primary conspirators and must be held criminally liable… and must be prosecuted for all the tragedy, damage and possible deaths resulting from the Dengvaxia mass vaccination program,” the Senate Blue Ribbon chairman, Sen. Richard Gordon, told a news conference on Wednesday, April 11.
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http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-...accine-scandal

Read the article. Note the attempts to disconnect the deaths of children from the vaccine. Note the attempts to link ANY and ALL deaths from measles to the drop in the vaccination rate. The double standard in action.

This is a country with a long-running measles outbreak. This is the country that sent measles to Disneyland in 2014. But suddenly the entire problem with measles is due to parental doubts arising from Dengvaxia.
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WHO has recommended that Dengvaxia be used very carefully. http://www.dailyjournal.net/2018/04/...engue-vaccine/
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Sanofi said last year that doctors should consider whether people might have been previously infected with dengue before deciding whether they should risk getting immunized. The company said it expected to take a 100 million euro ($118 million) loss based on that news.
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Spin from the manufacturer of Dengvaxia. http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/money...ngvaxia/story/

business news, of course

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Sanofi said that SAGE also acknowledges the public health value of vaccinating without pre-vaccination screening in very high endemic settings.
"This guidance from the SAGE will help to inform an updated World Health Organization position on the vaccine expected to be published in the coming months," the company said.
"The WHO’s mandate is to promote global public health, and their positions on new vaccines provide guidance to countries to make decision on public program implementation, based on their specific disease burden and epidemiology," it added.
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See post #69 in this thread for the quote from the medieval theologian being used to justify the use of a risky vaccine in children.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...xt?elsca1=etoc
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Dengue vaccination: a more ethical approach is needed. Maíra AguiarNotably, Pang and colleagues mentioned that, in countries with a very high endemic rate of dengue virus, 90% of the population are likely to have been infected with the virus by adolescence. However, in the Philippines, children aged 9–11 years were the target for the mass vaccination programme. Dengvaxia is also being used in a mass vaccination programme in Paraná, Brazil. Since there is no indication of high endemicity in this region, this programme should also be suspended to minimise the vaccination of seronegative individuals.
It is frustrating to read such commentaries in which the authors cite a theologian from the 13th century to justify the risk of severe disease in seronegative individuals through receipt of the vaccine.
this whole mess with Dengvaxia has been a perfect example of how vaccine science works in the real world.
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Poor living conditions increase carriage of infectious disease. http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-persp...igrants-europe


Particularly, apparently, antibiotic resistant microbes.


I've been saying this forever. Overcrowding, malnutrition, poor sanitation results in illness. See also Hep A outbreaks among the homeless.



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They suggest that interventions to improve living conditions should include a focus on better sanitation, less overcrowding, better infection prevention and control strategies, and increased access to health services. In addition, they call for more screening for colonization and improved antibiotic susceptibility testing in high-migrant community settings. While hospitals routinely target migrants and refugees from high-AMR-prevalence countries for this kind of testing, the migrants evaluated in the reviewed studies had infrequently been admitted to hospitals.
"Increased antibiotic resistance among refugees and asylum seekers and in high-migrant community settings (such as refugee camps and detention facilities) highlights the need for improved living conditions, access to health care, and initiatives to facilitate detection of and appropriate high-quality treatment for antibiotic-resistant infections during transit and in host countries," the authors write. "These improvements will enable timely detection and treatment of infections when they do occur, thus reducing transmission and poorer and more costly health outcomes."
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The Dengvaxia mess just keeps getting messier. Despite the yells of the vaccine supporters that discussing this vaccine screw-up is destroying the rest of the vaccine program, the press isn't shutting up. Interesting. Perhaps it is the lack of pharma advertising?


http://www.ageofautism.com/2018/05/g...dengvaxia.html
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“The DOH should consider that many children were vaccinated without the consent of their parents, it is important to release the master list for the people to effectively monitor their children,” Bonganay pointed out.
How would you feel if your children were vaccinated, without your knowledge or consent, with a brand new vaccine that turns out to have some serious shortcomings? And then the government decided that to protect "privacy" the identity of the children should be hidden, even from their parents.
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Fascinating article about the smallpox vaccine and how incredibly muddled the history and development of this vaccine actually were. The depressing bit is that the vaccine pushers are hoping to develop a more effective version... https://www.smithsonianmag.com/scien...ine-180970069/
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So, when Jenner’s “vaccine” (really just pus teeming with virus) hit the scene, it literally went viral. By 1813, it was widely accessible in Europe, Asia and the Americas. Because poxviruses like smallpox are most easily passed from animal to animal, scientists first created new reserves of the vaccine by collecting pus from infected livestock. Each time stocks ran low, scientists rounded up a fresh herd of naturally infected animals and consolidated their secretions.
“The vaccine evolved,” says Inger Damon, who leads the poxvirus and rabies branch at the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. “The way it was propagated—either on the sides of cows or in rabbits—changed and introduced related viruses into the pool… [so] a swarm of viruses was used in various vaccines.”
They leave out the fact that much early vaccination was done from person to person, a wonderful opportunity to spread a whole range of dangerous diseases.
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ng-impossible/


Vaccine study results aren't getting published in the UK. The main slant of the article is that withholding results makes it easier for anti-vaxers to raise doubts. Sound familiar?


and for our UK member, Goldacre is upset that the results of these trials are not available.
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